Malcolm Butler Mega Thread

[QuantumMechanic]

What makes you think that? He won 20 of his 25 games at Michigan despite not even being given starting reps in practice. And then of course everybody knows his record here. Bill's the one who wasn't winning without Brady; whereas Brady's amassing an 84% winning record without Bill.

Because everyone (including NE) passed over him 198 times. And because he was only on NE because BB was willing to see enough in him to keep 4 QBs on the roster, which is close to unheard of.

If NE doesn't pull the trigger he is likely a UDFA, ending up at the bottom of the roster somewhere. And many teams do not follow a "best person plays" doctrine. There's a reason why the agents for UDFA after UDFA tell their clients to go with NE if NE calls because the agents know NE will give UDFAs a fair shot.

Look at all the QBs who were good over the years, even better than Brady in college, who went nowhere because no one was willing to give them a chance other than being clipboard fodder and wouldn't put any time in developing them.

If Brady had ended up in Cleveland in 2000 he'd have been out of the league years ago.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

You are assuming they were in a state of confusion and the score does not prove that.

Wins the dumbest post of the thread.

The score that shows the Butler-less defense, changing everyone's secondary assignments minutes before kickoff, led to giving up 42 points to a backup QB, giving up 583 yards which is the most yards given up in Super Bowl history and the most a Belichick team has ever given given in a game.

 

[DaBruinz]

Maybe Bill just ****ed up. Why is that so hard for some people to believe? Bill can be the greatest coach and still make coaching mistakes. Its not the first time its happened. He game planned incorrectly and took a gamble that was wrong. I know its hard to believe but why not just take what he says at face value instead of trying to find out what Malcolm did wrong when by all (credible) accounts he didn't do anything wrong other than maybe have a poor practice or warm up. You'd think with these 'rumors' someone credible would have had something to corroborate but instead they are saying the same thing Belichick is saying. They game planned without Butler in practice and decided at game time he would not start.

People are so desperate to grasp at straws that Butler had to have broken a rule or did something illegal when the reality is that it was likely just a poor game plan that backfired and screwed us. My only issue is the adjustments they did make were not enough and they should have at least tried to have Butler in the game.

Why is it so hard for you and others to believe that BUTLER was dogging it in practices? Why is it that people like yourself are willing to give him a pass and put all the blame on BB??

 

[Steve102]

Zolak infers on the air there was a Rick Ross concert and a missed curfew.

 

[DaBruinz]

Wins the dumbest post of the thread.

The score that shows the Butler-less defense, changing everyone's secondary assignments minutes before kickoff, led to giving up 42 points to a backup QB, giving up 583 yards which is the most yards given up in Super Bowl history and the most a Belichick team has ever given given in a game.

You have zero credibility. Acting like Foles is some scrub QB. Foles is a damn good QB. He was during his first stint in Philly as well.

Umm.. 583 yards isn't the most given up during a SB.. 606 yards is. By Philly.. To the Pats..

 

[Chris Stevenson]

He played him on 97% of defensive snaps for the year and completely benched him for the Super Bowl while still dressing him and not using the roster spot for someone else.

Belichick's never done something like this. The worst he's done, is bench Edelman for a quarter.... in a game he lost.

Yeah Belichick deserves blame for this.

When did this mystery of benching Edelman happen? Are you people even real fans?

WTF?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Wins the dumbest post of the thread.

The score that shows the Butler-less defense, changing everyone's secondary assignments minutes before kickoff, led to giving up 42 points to a backup QB, giving up 583 yards which is the most yards given up in Super Bowl history and the most a Belichick team has ever given given in a game.

Foles had 375 yds and 3 TDs vs the #1 D in the NFL.

This D allowed 42 points to a similar offense Week 1.

To say Foles does not have talent when 3 years ago he had the greatest passer rating of all time demonstrates how uninformed you are.

Your post is myopic and emotional.

 

[pwes]

Why is it so hard for you and others to believe that BUTLER was dogging it in practices? Why is it that people like yourself are willing to give him a pass and put all the blame on BB??

I'm sorry can you read? Directly in that post I assigned fault to Butler for having a bad practice and that is why he was not in the game. My issue comes from not at least trying him later when the defense is getting walked all over.

 

[luuked]

I didn't say anything of the kind. I said the blocking broke down, and that's not on the defense.

Funny enough the turnover is at least as much on Brady as it is on Mason. I posted it to the rewatch thread already but Brady knew he had White TOTALLY open in the flat but never looked there because he wanted the big one to Gronk.



It fits into a year where Brady more often than not didn't want to take the easy first down but opted to go for the lower percentage big throw instead. On his last really meaningful snap of the year it bit him in the ass.

Hopefully it bothers him throughout the offseason enough to reconsider his priorities when it comes to high percentage first downs vs. low percentage big plays a bit.

 

[SalemPats]

Butler could very well have done worse. Unless you can see the future, you have no idea how good or bad he would have played. Just like I don't. As luuked pointed out, Butler had issues in the 2nd half of the season..

I can 100% certainty that he would have performed better

Stat: Foles was 6 of 7 for 137 yards on third down when targeting Rowe, Bademosi and Richards, who were all in the game over Butler.

 

[GorBelSer]

Yep, that was his mistake as well. I dont know why they were going for a big play/quick score anyway, with defense unable to provide a single stop.

 

[luuked]

When did this mystery of benching Edelman happen? Are you people even real fans?

WTF?

You are talking to a guy that confuses Edelman with Welker and then goes on to say benched for a quarter when what really happened was benched for a series. I don't think you can consider him a fan of this team.

 

[DaBruinz]

If it was disciplinary, Butler wouldn't have been playing in the game at all. But he was playing on special teams. Short of throwing the game on purpose or early-onset dementia, there is no explanation for Bill's behavior.

Butler had ONE SNAP all game. He was on the Wing on the Punt Coverage unit..

That's a player who has been demoted from the starting line-up for whatever reason.

The rumors are starting to pile up. I don't know what, if any are true, but there are now Two Ex-Patriots who have come out mentioning things. They have somewhat corroborated the RobotDave Tweets that we saw..

- Missing Team flight to MN
- Cleaning out his locker at Gillette after team left
- dogging it in practice when he finally did get to MN.
- partying late and missing curfew.
- Caught smoking weed during Room Check.
- Missing Saturday's team meeting. (BTW, BB benched Adalius Thomas for the same thing. Thomas still dressed, but spent the entire game on the sidelines).
- Arguing with coaches on Saturday.

I don't know what is true. Only Butler and the Coaches do. But if he missed Saturday's Team meeting, then that's on him. Especially since it's been a standing rule of BB's.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

Funny enough the turnover is at least as much on Brady as it is on Mason. I posted it to the rewatch thread already but Brady knew he had White TOTALLY open in the flat but never looked there because he wanted the big one to Gronk.



It fits into a year where Brady more often than not didn't want to take the easy first down but opted to go for the lower percentage big throw instead. On his last really meaningful snap of the year it bit him in the ass.

Hopefully it bothers him throughout the offseason enough to reconsider his priorities when it comes to high percentage first downs vs. low percentage big plays a bit.

Sucks to admit, but i have been talking about Brady and his Binky Addiction problem for years and years. There is more proof of it. He needed to tuck it and take the sack, as the play he wanted, wasn't there.

Foles spreads it around, plays no favorites and outperforms Brady, basically.

I can see if he had limited weaponry, but that's not true. He has all kinds of weapons. Where was Burkhead? Why not stretch one out to Dorsett or Allen into the flat? I see Allen wide open in the flat on numerous replays. I don't know. It's not why we lost, but his "Brady Lock", can creep up on him.

The entire 60 mins counts, and I am getting a little sick and tired of Brady and the offense coming out so sluggish in these 1st halves of Super Bowls. Been going on for years.

Basically, we have Jon Kasay to thank for SB 38, but we have no one to thank on Philly for this lack of a win.

 

[chumpchange]

Because everyone (including NE) passed over him 198 times. And because he was only on NE because BB was willing to see enough in him to keep 4 QBs on the roster, which is close to unheard of.

If NE doesn't pull the trigger he is likely a UDFA, ending up at the bottom of the roster somewhere. And many teams do not follow a "best person plays" doctrine. There's a reason why the agents for UDFA after UDFA tell their clients to go with NE if NE calls because the agents know NE will give UDFAs a fair shot.

Look at all the QBs who were good over the years, even better than Brady in college, who went nowhere because no one was willing to give them a chance other than being clipboard fodder and wouldn't put any time in developing them.

If Brady had ended up in Cleveland in 2000 he'd have been out of the league years ago.

He was at the bottom of the roster at Michigan and ascended to the starting position because he beat out the other seven quarterbacks, subsequently winning 84% of his games. He completed something like 65% of his passes. There's no indication he'd have been unsuccessful wherever he ended up; he's never had a losing season like Bill has. And what team in the NFL doesn't follow a "best person plays" doctrine (besides us in this latest Super Bowl)?

 

[luuked]

Butler had ONE SNAP all game. He was on the Wing on the Punt Coverage unit..

That's a player who has been demoted from the starting line-up for whatever reason.

The rumors are starting to pile up. I don't know what, if any are true, but there are now Two Ex-Patriots who have come out mentioning things. They have somewhat corroborated the RobotDave Tweets that we saw..

- Missing Team flight to MN
- Cleaning out his locker at Gillette after team left
- dogging it in practice when he finally did get to MN.
- partying late and missing curfew.
- Caught smoking weed during Room Check.
- Missing Saturday's team meeting. (BTW, BB benched Adalius Thomas for the same thing. Thomas still dressed, but spent the entire game on the sidelines).
- Arguing with coaches on Saturday.

I don't know what is true. Only Butler and the Coaches do. But if he missed Saturday's Team meeting, then that's on him. Especially since it's been a standing rule of BB's.

Do you have a source on that team meeting one ? That is a new one I havent seen before but if true then on its own this is enough for me to bench him. If only half of the rumors are anywhere near true then Butler just dismantled his own little SB49 statue in Boston. **** him.

 

[Steve102]

Butler had ONE SNAP all game. He was on the Wing on the Punt Coverage unit..

That's a player who has been demoted from the starting line-up for whatever reason.

The rumors are starting to pile up. I don't know what, if any are true, but there are now Two Ex-Patriots who have come out mentioning things. They have somewhat corroborated the RobotDave Tweets that we saw..

- Missing Team flight to MN
- Cleaning out his locker at Gillette after team left
- dogging it in practice when he finally did get to MN.
- partying late and missing curfew.
- Caught smoking weed during Room Check.
- Missing Saturday's team meeting. (BTW, BB benched Adalius Thomas for the same thing. Thomas still dressed, but spent the entire game on the sidelines).
- Arguing with coaches on Saturday.

I don't know what is true. Only Butler and the Coaches do. But if he missed Saturday's Team meeting, then that's on him. Especially since it's been a standing rule of BB's.

Zo added that after the rick ross concert, and subsequent missed curfew, that there was an altercation with a coach at the door of his hotel room.

 

[Chris Stevenson]

Butler had ONE SNAP all game. He was on the Wing on the Punt Coverage unit..

That's a player who has been demoted from the starting line-up for whatever reason.

The rumors are starting to pile up. I don't know what, if any are true, but there are now Two Ex-Patriots who have come out mentioning things. They have somewhat corroborated the RobotDave Tweets that we saw..

- Missing Team flight to MN
- Cleaning out his locker at Gillette after team left
- dogging it in practice when he finally did get to MN.
- partying late and missing curfew.
- Caught smoking weed during Room Check.
- Missing Saturday's team meeting. (BTW, BB benched Adalius Thomas for the same thing. Thomas still dressed, but spent the entire game on the sidelines).
- Arguing with coaches on Saturday.

I don't know what is true. Only Butler and the Coaches do. But if he missed Saturday's Team meeting, then that's on him. Especially since it's been a standing rule of BB's.

See, I thought the "team flight" thing was suspicious which leads me to believe the flu thing might be a lie. Wouldn't you send him on a private jet to keep him quaraintined, if he was seriously battling the flu?

I thought it was VERY suspicious that the media, like a hawk, never told us Butler's flu was an issue to the point, they never said he was talking a separate flight. They also never said was NOT on the team flight that Monday. I was actually wondering if they WOULD arrange a quarantuined separwte gflight, vut since this news came out, it makes me believe there was no flu for him as of Monday. Why would you infect your whole team if a guy was carrying the flu?

We didn't learn of the separate flight until Wed, which smells like he missed the team flight due to a fake flu thing and then completely missed his own personal flight on Tuesday. Otherwise, was he there on Tuesday night?

I don't think he was.

I think he arrived Wed, not Tuesday.

So, if you have the flu that bad, why are you then partying, buying weed in Minny, missing curfews, hammered, etc, 24 hours later?

 

[chumpchange]

Why is it so hard for you and others to believe that BUTLER was dogging it in practices? Why is it that people like yourself are willing to give him a pass and put all the blame on BB??

Nobody cares how Butler performed in practice. We don't get trophies for Super Great Practices. What people care about is that in the actual Super Bowl itself, the defense was dying and Bill held out his most talented corner available, on purpose.

 

[DaBruinz]

If he's returning the next season you suspend him for 4 games.

The team can't suspend him for 4 games. Only the league can..