Malcolm Butler Mega Thread

[Kontradiction]

How is it a terrible counter argument ? So you are saying that the team that for considerably more than a decade has proudly said next men up didnt properly prepare the substitute players with two weeks to spare until a SB ?

No. I’m saying the next man up situation didn’t need to happen and the only reason why it did seems to center squarely on Belichick. Making a “what if” counter argument appears to be you going to ridiculous lengths to support an awful coaching decision. What happened last night is totally different from a hypothetical injury. You know this.

Point is that whatever happened to Butler doesnt excuse shoddy execution from other professional football players. We are not talking blown coverages here but simply bad execution. I never said I was happy about Butler being benched. The reality is that the decision was made for whatever reason and the team needed to move on the same way they would have had to if Butler was suddenly not available for whatever other reason.

And it was a terrible decision. I’m not sure what the team thought they’ve seen throughout the season, but Rowe and Bademosi have never been better than Butler at covering faster, more shifty wideouts in their career. They tried it anyway, though, and the result was the unit being unable to get off the field, particularly on 3rd down, and getting totally tuned up at 41 points.

And that’s not even mentioning the steaming turd that is Richards. Did this team just not watch the KC tape at all? Because they made many of the same personnel errors against a very similar team last night.

 

[luuked]

Even if he wasnt playing lights out, the decision to bench him and let the other guy knows he is starting about 5 minutes before the kickoff is horrible. Just as nobody could figure out why is Gilmore on Smith while Rowe is being torched by Jeffery. You dont mess with the defensive scheme like that in a crucial moment and expect everyone to walk around with a smile on their face.
Butler is good #2 CB with steady tackling, Bademosi is primarily special teams player that can be serviceable but not in the SB. Richards is a clear step down from Bademosi. And you think leaving Butler out made no difference whatsoever?

My entire point is that people focus all their attention on the Butler benching instead of calling out the players on the field and the shoddy execution. There were no constant blown coverages or confusion among defensive backs where I can say that missing Butler ****ed the team. The plays were right there in front of them but for whatever reason they could not make them.

Also.. Bademosi is definitely a better tackler than Butler in the majority of cases. Happened to be one where he just blew it.. go back to the stretch of games against the Jets and Chargers and you will see that he was one of the teams most sound tacklers thanks to his ST pedigree. And yet when it counted most he blew it yesterday.. which kinda was the theme of yesterdays game for many players..

 

[luuked]

Good luck with yes man Fatty Patricia Detroit... who thought you could match a Strong Safety against a WR and with that match-up consistently.

You do realize that this never happened consistently, right ? You also realize that the Eagles motioned themselves into a lot of favorable matchups because of great design.

So unless you want them to start burning timeouts every time this happens I am not sure what Patricia could have done about it.

 

[mosslost]

It sends one hell of a message, though. "I benched this guy because of what he did, and the defense sucked, and I kept him benched, and we lost. If you want to play, and you want to win, you better keep your **** together because your ass WILL remain benched even if it costs us all a ring."

if there was not a criminal offense Super Bowl week, a stubborn discipline move is ridiculous and simply unacceptable. However, that said, I am just going to give the Eagles credit on smacking the Pats at least on D.

I do think it is possible that stuff like that throws off the entire D (obviously). Not because you lose an important member of the D, but it can affect the teams mindset. I for one thought the Defense reminded me of the KC game even body language and mentally.

I'm not shocked at all if they just laid an egg because of that benching. And all the talk about T.E.A.M, alot of those guys came to NE to win that game.. So all that said, Butler better have done something serious enough DURING SB week for that to even remotely be ok. We know he was not arrested that would be in the news. Showed up to something **** faced more than one time? something like that, probably could have been enough imo

 

[Uptown]

 

[mosslost]

No. I’m saying the next man up situation didn’t need to happen and the only reason why it did seems to center squarely on Belichick. Making a “what if” counter argument appears to be you going to ridiculous lengths to support an awful coaching decision. What happened last night is totally different from a hypothetical injury. You know this.



And it was a terrible decision. I’m not sure what the team thought they’ve seen throughout the season, but Rowe and Bademosi have never been better than Butler at covering faster, more shifty wideouts in their career. They tried it anyway, though, and the result was the unit being unable to get off the field, particularly on 3rd down, and getting totally tuned up at 41 points.

And that’s not even mentioning the steaming turd that is Richards. Did this team just not watch the KC tape at all? Because they made many of the same personnel errors against a very similar team last night.

Imagine if Hoyer had started because BB was mad at him?

 

[DarrylS]

The "nattering nabobs of negativity" are out in full force in this thread..

BB will take the blame for this loss, it is what he does..

BB also has enough good will that no matter what decision he makes will never turn on what he has accomplished here. Decisions are based on a lot of factors, most of which we do not know.

From my comfy couch Butler has had a crappy season and not played well at all... otoh Bademosi and Richards sucked last night.

To get to the SB for the 8th time is a monumental task, we lost but just to get here above the other 30 teams in the leagues should not be forgotten..

To imply that he deliberately "sabotaged" this Superbowl Effort is about as stupid as it gets.. for what purpose??

Nick Foles played as well as any quarterback I have even seen in the Superbowl.. he was throwing into tight coverage all night and making some impossible throws.. consider what he did against Minnesota and their much heralded defense..

If anything as a fan base we overlooked or thought what Foles had done was some sort of anomaly instead of what it was, some very good quarterbacking and excellent play execution. Foles played out of his mind.

 

[luuked]

Stop defending this. You’re in a no win scenario. The Pats lost and not playing Butler had so much to do with it.

For ****s sake you have a serious reading comprehension problem.

I am not defending anything about Butler. My issue is with your claim that players were not prepared enough to handle his inactivity which is ********. This coaching staff has a history of having substitute players prepared in case someone becomes unavailable. Be it for a few snaps or the rest of the game.

That is my entire gripe with your little sad story about Butler. I have said in dozens of posts already that I was not a fan of his benching but until we know details will give BB the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Uptown]

 

[IllegalContact]

Can you read ?

I am not defending the decision to bench him mostly because nobody even knows WTF happened. I am saying that him being unavailable does not give any other player any excuse for their shoddy execution. They still needed to do their job.

Everybody but the coaches expected him to play......if the reason was a good one, then we would know it by now

I don’t think it had anything to do with their job......I think he stood a decent chance to make some plays on agholor

 

[DarrylS]

Think it is time for a respite from this board, until balance is restored..

Malcolm Butler "could have helped" is nonsensical all based on conjecture and speculation..

 

[PatsFan2]

If you watched all year and though Butler is our best corner then you have some kind of problem. Because he below average since Thanksgiving. People where whining about him since then all of the time and now suddenly he would have been a saviour and the convenient excuse. Brilliant.

You do realize that this never happened consistently, right ? You also realize that the Eagles motioned themselves into a lot of favorable matchups because of great design.

So unless you want them to start burning timeouts every time this happens I am not sure what Patricia could have done about it.

You simple Cannot tell me that Butler wouldn't have made a little difference on that Defense last night. It wouldn't take much that was the Worse SB Defense I saw in all my years of watching Football they were gifted that pick. Eagles Defense made one play that mattered Patriots Defense... Oh nevermind.

 

[Todd Bradley]

For ****s sake you have a serious reading comprehension problem.

I am not defending anything about Butler. My issue is with your claim that players were not prepared enough to handle his inactivity which is ********. This coaching staff has a history of having substitute players prepared in case someone becomes unavailable. Be it for a few snaps or the rest of the game.

That is my entire gripe with your little sad story about Butler. I have said in dozens of posts already that I was not a fan of his benching but until we know details will give BB the benefit of the doubt.

Holy crap, you keep spewing this nonsense.

If you build in a gameplan for two weeks and then the night before take away an important piece and replace that piece with subpar crap like Bademosi and Richards, that will and DID completely throw off every other player.

They weren’t prepared, because the damn gameplan they installed got flipped on its head mere hours before kickoff.

What does not compute here?

 

[luuked]

No. I’m saying the next man up situation didn’t need to happen and the only reason why it did seems to center squarely on Belichick. Making a “what if” counter argument appears to be you going to ridiculous lengths to support an awful coaching decision. What happened last night is totally different from a hypothetical injury. You know this.

I am not supporting any coaching decision in terms of Butler. My entire issue is the claim that his inactivity suddenly caused confusion among players because (and I quote) they had no idea what to do.

The idea that the substitute players came in unprepared is what I take issue with. Because there is enough evidence in the last 15+ years of excellence that if anything a BB coaching staff overprepares.

 

[crafty213]

Offensive game plan was too cute in the 1st half and the benching of Butler. Belichick's ego got the best of him in this one. Reload and get back to work.

 

[luuked]

Holy crap, you keep spewing this nonsense.

If you build in a gameplan for two weeks and then the night before take away an important piece and replace that piece with subpar crap like Bademosi and Richards, that will and DID completely throw off every other player.

They weren’t prepared, because the damn gameplan they installed got flipped on its head mere hours before kickoff.

What does not compute here?

Maybe you should try another sport because what you are writing makes no sense.

I am sure right before whiffing an easy tackle Bademosi suddenly remembered Butler crying on the sideline for a split second and was emotionally not able to wrap the player up. Similarly, while trying to defend the first deep TD to Jeffrey I am sure the ball turned inside Rowes mind into the face of Butler for a split second.. and then he mistimed his ****ing jump because he just could not handle it.

Jesus what a bunch of garbage you are claiming. Justifying abysmal execution of multiple players by blaming a coach for not playing someone else.

 

[Todd Bradley]

Maybe you should try another sport because what you are writing makes no sense.

Are you purposely being dense? This tweet throws your entire argument in the trash and lights it on fire.

They weren’t prepared. It’s right there from the mouthes of the players. You telling me otherwise is wasted breath.

 

[Observer]

Think it is time for a respite from this board, until balance is restored..

Malcolm Butler "could have helped" is nonsensical all based on conjecture and speculation..

It’s a damn good conjecture, about as good as saying Gronkowski would have helped if we trotted Dwayne Allen out there instead.

 

[stcjones]

It's his team, I'm fine with him running it the way he thinks its best. We don't know the whole story. Secondary was not the biggest problem today.

I would say TACKLING was one of primary reasons and secondary coverage was very weak as well.....D was honestly leaking oil all year so can’t say I’m shocked

 

[GorBelSer]

My entire point is that people focus all their attention on the Butler benching instead of calling out the players on the field and the shoddy execution. There were no constant blown coverages or confusion among defensive backs where I can say that missing Butler ****ed the team. The plays were right there in front of them but for whatever reason they could not make them.

Also.. Bademosi is definitely a better tackler than Butler in the majority of cases. Happened to be one where he just blew it.. go back to the stretch of games against the Jets and Chargers and you will see that he was one of the teams most sound tacklers thanks to his ST pedigree. And yet when it counted most he blew it yesterday.. which kinda was the theme of yesterdays game for many players..

And what would you expect from Bademosi and Richards but shoddy execution? Bademosi was not part of a game plan for quite some time, inactive vs the Titans and had some snaps at ST in AFCCG. And then you put him in the slot and expect to chase Agholor all over the field. Butler played 100% snaps in AFCCG. And then you assign him some snaps at ST. A cunning plan, indeed.