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they're not going to train cooks on the slot because that's not what he has ever done
 
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Well, all through the summer and Camp, the Pats thought they'd have Edelman and Mitchell, in addition to Amendola. So, Cooks' first-year training probably focused almost exclusively on the Patriots versions of the routes he'd run most frequently and successfully in NOLA. By the time the Pats knew that they'd lost both Edelman and Mitchell for the season (effectively, just before cutdowns), they were already in regular-season game-planning mode and there simply wasn't time to go back to basics with Cook on the slot game.

I'd guess that they'll focus on diversifying Cooks route portfolio this off-season, which was probably their original plan anyway.

Based on Cooks' Combine testing numbers (3.81 ss/6.76 3-cone), I'd say, yes, he does appear to have the CoD athleticism to handle the slot game. But he may not have the experience or the training in technique to fully exploit that athleticism. Yet.

Given his 4.33/40, I'd guess that every coach he's had, from middle school through college, focused mostly (if not exclusively) on exploiting Cooks' long speed as a deep threat and didn't spend a lot of time educating him on the techniques and timing required to successfully run shorter routes in traffic and get significant YAC. BTW - all of this probably applies equally to Dorsett.

Edelman's other-worldly jump cuts (and his timing) aren't a product of his athleticism alone (3.92 ss/6.62 3-cone); they're the result of years of focused practice. But then, Edelman's long speed (4.52/40) isn't exceptional.

That said, Cooks (or Dorsett) doesn't need to get up to Edelman's level over the course of just this coming summer and Camp to become decent or better at running routes out of the slot.
Based on Combine numbers, you do have a point. Personally, i don't see them as reliable marks, because plenty of those results can have multiple reasons for happening. So, it's not because he, or anyone else, posted X in a test, we would see it translated into the field

From the games and film that I've seen from him, I don't think that he looks like a guy who would thrive in the slot. One thing that i noticed from him is that he tends to run with his arms very separated, which makes it harder to catch ball that goes straight towards his body ( Hogan does the same thing, which might be a reason to why he isn't really used as a Slot, IMO).

Sill, I don't think I have numbers to disagree with you... like you said, maybe they can try it during the offseason, but I guess I don't really see it happening. BB is not known to "sugarcoat" the playbook, so if he thought that Cooks was able to play the slot, i think we would have seen it, even if a little bit
 
Based on Combine numbers, you do have a point. Personally, i don't see them as reliable marks, because plenty of those results can have multiple reasons for happening. So, it's not because he, or anyone else, posted X in a test, we would see it translated into the field

A player's testing numbers, taken out of context, prove nothing. I only rely on testing numbers for a rough baseline of a player's physical potential to succeed at the specific tasks required by a specific role. Some players may perform better than their numbers would project because they have excellent technique, "football IQ", etc. Others may fail to achieve projected results in the short term because they lack one or more of those things.

However, technique can be acquired/corrected, and a player can improve aspects of his game from one season to the next.

From the games and film that I've seen from him, I don't think that he looks like a guy who would thrive in the slot. One thing that i noticed from him is that he tends to run with his arms very separated, which makes it harder to catch ball that goes straight towards his body ( Hogan does the same thing, which might be a reason to why he isn't really used as a Slot, IMO).

I'm not sure why Cooks needs to "thrive in the slot." I'm certainly not supporting the notion that Cooks convert to a slot-specialist or that he could become "the next Edelman". That's silly. I'm simply disagreeing with the assumption that what we've seen out of Cooks in his first season with the Pats represents all he'll ever be (which seems equally silly to me).

There's still time and potential for coaching and hard work to result in improvements that will enable Cooks to run a greater range of routes (including slot routes) more successfully. He doesn't need to improve to Edelman-level, or even to Amendola level, - next season or ever - to become a better (more useful) player.

Anyway, arm-positioning, like footwork, seems like a technique issue to me.

Sill, I don't think I have numbers to disagree with you... like you said, maybe they can try it during the offseason, but I guess I don't really see it happening. BB is not known to "sugarcoat" the playbook, so if he thought that Cooks was able to play the slot, i think we would have seen it, even if a little bit

I'm not certain what the "sugarcoating the playbook" is all about. In my experience watching players develop over time with the Pats, BB and his coaches consistently emphasize putting players into roles that optimize their current skill set and reduce exposure of their current weaknesses - and then work vigorously to improve each player's weak areas and help them diversify their skill set over time - because it makes them more useful.

In any case, Hogan's role this season did change a bit from 2016 (which may or may not have been the result of Edelman's late-Camp injury). Before he was injured, he appeared to be running more intermediate-range route patterns this year than last, including some out of the slot. His productivity declined in terms of YPC (17.9 to 12.9) and catch rate (65.5% to 57.6%), but he increased his receptions/game (2.5 to 3.8) and yards/game (slightly). So, he wasn't great at it, but he didn't suck, either.

Cooks also ran a smattering of intermediate-range routes, including out of the slot (Dorsett also ran a handful). Just because it was low-volume and irregular this season (when the Pats had three very good receiving RBs) doesn't mean it will always be that way.
 
Same here, with any luck the pats lock him in for like five years

A 5-year extension for Cooks this spring will certainly be less expensive than a brand-new 5-year deal next spring - if he even comes close to matching his 2017 production in 2018.

Same applies to Trey Flowers.
 
I know it wont happen because delaying discussions to have a better grasp on them is not done anymore but I wish we could just wait until next October/November with the entire Cooks debate.

He has been in our system for one year now.. lets see how his route tree will look next season when he has another offseason with Brady and our system in him. Similarly, with the OC changing I am sure that while the overall concepts might stay the same the coordinator will put his own spin on gameplans and this will also affect Cooks.

Point is that we have him here for another year and it is pointless to speculate about extensions a year ahead. So much can happen in between...
 
A 5-year extension for Cooks this spring will certainly be less expensive than a brand-new 5-year deal next spring - if he even comes close to matching his 2017 production in 2018.

Same applies to Trey Flowers.

In both cases I expect the Pats to give the respective agents pretty conservative deals that will be rejected as has been the case with most players in recent years. I doubt that they would suddenly change their MO.
 
In both cases I expect the Pats to give the respective agents pretty conservative deals that will be rejected as has been the case with most players in recent years. I doubt that they would suddenly change their MO.

Very possibly.
 
monster season next year? i dont think hes top 10 wr

He was this year. Why couldn't he improve in his second year in the system, particularly with Edelman back to draw defense's attention in the MoF? I fully expect Cooks to go off.
 
monster season next year? i dont think hes top 10 wr
Yeah, because if he does, it'll only be 4 straight 1000+ yard seasons before he's 25. Pfft. Those guys grow on trees!
 
monster season next year? i dont think hes top 10 wr

Disagree completely. Brady clearly trusts Cooks now and his role will expand in terms of how they use him. Having Edelman and Mitchell back is going to create serious match up problems, and any team that doesn’t provide help over the top with Cooks is going to pay dearly for it. As it was he drew the mostbPI calls in football this season, and most came on plays he would have gone the distance on if they didn’t foul him. Cooks has 4 years under his belt and he’s only 24 years old. He’s an exceptional athlete with a great attitude and he clearly likes being a Patriot. I was looking at it more in terms of paying him next season but I think they would be wise to not screw around with it and lowball him, they should make him a strong offer this spring and get him locked up for his prime seasons. If they could get it done for 5 years $65 million with 40 guaranteed I think they would ultimately be getting a great deal. That would lock him up until he’s 30 and they would have an All Pro caliber receiver for the entire prime of his career.
 
Someone, Maybe @captain stone (?) predicted Jax corners would have cooks crying like a little girl.
Worst prediction of the week I suppose.
Yep, that was me.

Having temperatures more reasonable than those from last week helped him out.

Also nice to see Cooks use the cushion given him to stop and catch those chain-moving passes. During a couple of those catches, he was hit hard almost immediately but still maintained possession, so kudos to him for his concentration.

His compete level for contested passes is still non-existent, however. Brady has to stop throwing those to him, because he cannot rely upon DPI calls to bail him out.

And speaking of DPI calls, the first one was bullish!t.
 
Yep, that was me.

Having temperatures more reasonable than those from last week helped him out.

Also nice to see Cooks use the cushion given him to stop and catch those chain-moving passes. During a couple of those catches, he was hit hard almost immediately but still maintained possession, so kudos to him for his concentration.

His compete level for contested passes is still non-existent, however. Brady has to stop throwing those to him, because he cannot rely upon DPI calls to bail him out.

And speaking of DPI calls, the first one was bullish!t.
That was clearly DPI if you understand the rule.
 
Yep, that was me.

Having temperatures more reasonable than those from last week helped him out.

Also nice to see Cooks use the cushion given him to stop and catch those chain-moving passes. During a couple of those catches, he was hit hard almost immediately but still maintained possession, so kudos to him for his concentration.

His compete level for contested passes is still non-existent, however. Brady has to stop throwing those to him, because he cannot rely upon DPI calls to bail him out.

And speaking of DPI calls, the first one was bullish!t.


The bullish!t never ends.
 
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