Gronkowski Likely Facing Penalty From NFL After Hit On Sunday

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Would you guys find outrageous if Gronk was suspended for a game? I mean, even without the public outcry? Cause is a totally legitimate response...

If there werent precedent and/or a table on how those things are handled, I would probably agree with that, If Im being honest. It was a very dirty move

I would agree with a 1 game suspension. I would be dissapointed as losing Gronk a game would suck, but its Miami. I prefer no suspension, but if it happens I would understand and tolerate.

 

[bormio]

Oh it isn't safe at all. But for a lot of posters, they want it to be a safe space free of disagreement. I'm actually glad it isn't that. These spirited debates keep things interesting rather than the upteenth "Goodell is the Devil," "Kraft is the Devil," or "Jerrrry is the Devil" thread where everyone can hold hands, sing Kumbaya, and gangb*ang some truth into those ****s/libterds/fascists/pickyourgroupofdirisioninwhicheasybinariesmakecomplicatedrealitiesoflifeeasierforthosewhodontwanttocriticalthink.

Well praise God you are here to save us from our boring, mundane discussions.

 

[MainePatsFan26]

Typo. Should say “you”


Then why are you posting about it.



You are trolling.

And you just admitted that post was another troll.

You mistake accountability with your chosen consequence. They are very different

I agree that accountability and consequence can be very different. I happen to think he is best held accountable with a harsh consequence such as suspension. You sound like you have a different method, and that's valid too. I just don't like being called a troll for sharing my opinion on how to help the Patriots to win in January.

 

[yukon cornelius]

Would you guys find outrageous if Gronk was suspended for a game? I mean, even without the public outcry? Cause is a totally legitimate response...

If there werent precedent and/or a table on how those things are handled, I would probably agree with that, If Im being honest. It was a very dirty move

the NFL needs to take a huge step backwards on handing out suspensions, because it has lost any semblance of consistency or objectivity in how they are meted it

too many suspensions happen based on public opinion, media interest, who's ox is being gored

based on recent suspensions/non-suspensions.....yeah, i'd be pissed simply because there's a lack of consistency, and imo there's been offenses recently that were worse that got less

in a consistent, even handed system of handing out punishment, i wouldn't feel the same.....if the talib/crabtree suspensions weren't reduced (heck if talib's were higher), if alonso had gotten one, if AJ Green had been suspended, etc i'd feel a lot better

 

[WhoaDirty]

If hes suspended the bright side is no injury vs the dirty Dolphins

If we are looking strictly at injury concerns, I'd rather Gronk play in that game to help protect Brady.

 

[yukon cornelius]

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Here’s the play.

1. Lots of DPI prior to the catch, the defender grabbed Gronk and clutched his jersey for about half the play.
2. I think the throw was off target, maybe underthrown; I didn’t think the defender pushed off.
3. There’s a long time between the defender falling OB, then getting touched down, then Gronk jumping him.
4. Gronk looked pissed off and incredulous that the DPI led to an INT, judging by his hands to his helmet right before taking off and blasting the guy.
5. The defender did look a little woozy before Gronk hit him, which may mean Gronk lit up a concussed guy.

I’d say Gronk gets fined heavily. I could see a game too. More than that is way too much, based on some of the recent plays that didn’t incur suspensions.

BTW I hate the QB slide play, it just seems inevitable that plays like the Alonso play will happen, where the defender and QB decide to make their moves too closely in time. Not a comparable here IMO.

alonso made ZERO effort to pull up, and clearly went for the head......i would agree if alonso didn't take multiple steps and clearly drop the hammer on flacco's head....dudes helmet came off......the slide is what it is, and i get that it was close to the line......but alonso had PLENTY of time to pull up and not go after the head; contact MAY have been inevitable, but he clearly said **** it and buried flacco

 

[juny]

i could see gronk just getting fined, could also see him getting 1 game. it's just hard to predict because the league is NOT consistent at all when handing out punishments.

gronk knows better than to do this, i'm sure he will have a lengthy chat from BB about this.

 

[MainePatsFan26]

Well praise God you are here to save us from our boring, mundane discussions.

Thanks man. I'm glad I gave you a chance to exercise a little Northeastern sarcasm.

Also I never said these spirited debates were of my making. I'm actually giving many fans on here credit for keeping debates lively, unlike lots of other boards. But I guess that is me being a snob. Things really are toxic around here. Oh well. New Englanders have had a metaphorical oak tree up their @ss since colonial times. And that's coming from a fellow New Englander temporarily in the midwest.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I would agree with a 1 game suspension. I would be dissapointed as losing Gronk a game would suck, but its Miami. I prefer no suspension, but if it happens I would understand and tolerate.

as a stand alone, agreed......looking at JUST the play and a resulting one game suspension, i could live with it


it is the overuse and unreliability/consistency of the system that angers me


then again, if we were looking at consistent and objective application of the rules, gronk's frustration wouldn't have boiled over, because he wouldn't be getting shaqued

 

[MainePatsFan26]

If we are looking strictly at injury concerns, I'd rather Gronk play in that game to help protect Brady.

That's a good point, though the question becomes when do you value discipline and when do you value having the best player available. I guess at this point, the league will dictate how the Patriots proceed... what else is new.

 

[mosslost]

Oh it isn't safe at all. But for a lot of posters, they want it to be a safe space free of disagreement. I'm actually glad it isn't that. These spirited debates keep things interesting rather than the upteenth "Goodell is the Devil," "Kraft is the Devil," or "Jerrrry is the Devil" thread where everyone can hold hands, sing Kumbaya, and gangb*ang some truth into those ****s/libterds/fascists/pickyourgroupofdirisioninwhicheasybinariesmakecomplicatedrealitiesoflifeeasierforthosewhodontwanttocriticalthink.

Goodell is the Devil though.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

With my opinion on Gronk to the side, am I the only one who is disgusted by Buffalo? Gronk hits a teammate and barely anyone goes to shove Gronk (besides one shove) and its almost as they barely cared. Locker-rooms are supposed to be a brotherhood and Buffalo should be ashamed as they barely flinched to defend their teammate.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

as a stand alone, agreed......looking at JUST the play and a resulting one game suspension, i could live with it


it is the overuse and unreliability/consistency of the system that angers me


then again, if we were looking at consistent and objective application of the rules, gronk's frustration wouldn't have boiled over, because he wouldn't be getting shaqued

Yeah, I agree!

 

[Ring 6]

I agree that accountability and consequence can be very different. I happen to think he is best held accountable with a harsh consequence such as suspension. You sound like you have a different method, and that's valid too. I just don't like being called a troll for sharing my opinion on how to help the Patriots to win in January.

Well you are trolling. Again I just think you don’t know what that means.
Posting on a patriot board that you want the league to suspend one of its best players is absolutely chumming the water asking for an argument.
Your idea is also stupid, but that isn’t what makes your posts trolling.

 

[mosslost]

gronk made a dumb play after the whistle letting his emotion getting the best of him.....lousy play

it wasn't a "play". It was not part of the game and it was not a bad play or even a play at all. It was an attack.

 

[Dexter]

 

[bormio]

Thanks man. I'm glad I gave you a chance to exercise a little Northeastern sarcasm.

Also I never said these spirited debates were of my making. I'm actually giving many fans on here credit for keeping debates lively, unlike lots of other boards. But I guess that is me being a snob. Things really are toxic around here. Oh well. New Englanders have had a metaphorical oak tree up their @ss since colonial times. And that's coming from a fellow New Englander temporarily in the midwest.

We here in the South recognize ******** when we see it.

 

[MainePatsFan26]

We here in the South recognize ******** when we see it.

Ah, yes... Southerners have always known what is righteous and true. Carry on.

 

[yukon cornelius]

here's the thing about BB that i think some are missing:

crap like planned celebrations, making foot jokes.....those are distractions that piss him off

gronk let his emotion get the better of him, and BB has higher expectations for his players than that, sure.......but at the same time, he knows how gronk is officiated is BS, and he's going to back his player on that.....while gronk fell short of his coach's expectations for controlling emotion and acting accordingly, **** like the celebrations and foot jokes are far more verboten in BB's world

his conversation with gronk will be about needing him on the field, controlling our emotion, worrying about what we can control.......but i guarantee he was far more pissed about cooks riding gronk like a horse than this

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

If the roles were reversed we'd all be losing our goddamn minds about it and rightfully so.

That said, I don't think many people are condoning Gronk's actions more so getting flustered about the potential harshness of his inevitable penalty.

But the roles aren't reversed. Surprise! In sports fandom how we would react if this was a Raven or a Phin doing this to another team's player, or to a Patriot player etc isn't going to be the same.
I think it was last year (maybe the year before) a Lions player purposefully tried to take out the knee of a Patriot player well after the whistle. I think he got a 12,500 fine.

The fact we would be outraged if it was a Patriot on the end of that late hit isn't going to stop me from pointing out Gronk didn't spear the guy. That he immediately after the play (hardly suggesting premeditated purpose) let his emotion and frustration play out by leading with a forearm leading slam that caught the bottom back of the helmet. That more premeditated intent to injure (Lions v Patriots) has occurred without massive penalty.
This obviously is going to draw a punishment but let's not go hysterical. Gronk made a heat of the moment mistake, it happens,, I don't believe the Bill's player was more seriously hurt than what an extra hard unsuspecting tackle would cause (we'll see), and any attempt to make this more than a fine or one game is demonstrable BS based on past incidents.