Pats stole Jets' calls - the latest fantasy theory [mergedx3]

[NEPat]

Re: Oh great first thing mentioend on Sportcenter were the Patriots cheating?

Coles Slaw, why not actually make some contribution to the discussion, like UglyPatriots is doing? Otherwise, it's just a bunch of noise and it messes up the whole thread.

You need to go back to troll school and brush up on your skills.

Come on, that's not fair. He made some points, no one has to agree with them. He's not trolling.

 

[Mooch]

Re: Bellicheck In Trouble With League

If they do this regularly and did do it on Sunday, it seems to me a boneheaded move since the recent Patriot Mangini would be aware that the they do this sort of thing?

I'm going with the group that thinks this is a Patriots All Access thing.

Not only that, but you know who used to work as a video assistant for the Pats and now works for Mangini on the Jets staff? Steve Scarnecchia, Dante's son.

 

[kolbitr]

Re: Oh great first thing mentioend on Sportcenter were the Patriots cheating?

well... since you're asking for it to be explained, here it is.
1) camera man records video of jets' defensive coach calling in coverages
2) at half-time the video of the defensive playcalling is placed in sync with game tape of what defense the jets actually ran.
3) you are then able to decipher what coverage a defense is going to be in before the snap. someone on the patriots sideline with knowledge of the "signs" can watch the plays being signaled into the defense and then relay that information to tom brady via radio.
4) radio frequency issues could either be the patriots tapping into the jets' RF and listening to the calls coming into chad pennington from the sideline, or by the patriots relaying the defensive coverage into tom brady's headset before the play.

could that be the reason the score was 14-7 at halftime and then all of a sudden the patriots started to "click"? i guess we won't know until the NFL concludes its investigation..

A lot of misguided talk on the board today. While we know that teams will do anything to gain an edge, and I concur the Patriots are no different, this is far too simple an analysis to represent how defensive football works, and I suspect you know that. The most that videotaping could accomplish would be picking up minor details, related to already suspected or known tendencies, that might become part of the bigger picture. There is no way that such tactics would allow any team to crack some "secret code", and turn a closely fought match into a rout. Adjustments are being made all the time, especially on the defensive side of the football.

 

[Keegs]

Re: Bellicheck In Trouble With League

So is this true or not?

From what i've read, this is just speculation . I've seen nothing on any "real" news site that says BB is in trouble with the league.

Can the mods rename this thread, or "edit" the title?

I mean you guys move, merge, delete, and rename threads faster than most of us read them and this one has been staying here for a while and the fact that it hasn't been changed makes it look true.

Whats the deal?

thanks in advance,

 

[cblesz]

Re: Oh great first thing mentioend on Sportcenter were the Patriots cheating?

And Rodney is innocent, are you naive or just a homer?

Yes, I am a homer. But, I watched the game and the Patriots ripped the Jets from the beginning as we only punted once...and that was due to a dropped pass.

 

[sarge]

Re: Oh great first thing mentioend on Sportcenter were the Patriots cheating?

could that be the reason the score was 14-7 at halftime and then all of a sudden the patriots started to "click"? i guess we won't know until the NFL concludes its investigation..

The Pats did the same in both halves!

The offense scored 14 in the first half and 17 in the second half. The only reason they didn't score 17 in the first half was due to a dropped snap.

And if Welker doesn't drop the ball the Pats offense probably score more in the first half.

So you are suggesting then that the Pats looking at the signals somehow prevented those drops from occuring in the second half???

 

[Tunescribe]

Re: Bellicheck In Trouble With League

Not really, I'm pretty sure all stadiums have the same no video policy.

How this differs from what the dolphins did to you I think would be something to the effect of not getting a sound amplifier pointing it at Brady and recording the cadence. Using a network broadcast feed, where it doesn't hone in on a certain area of the game, just a little bit different in my opinion if proven to be the case.

I was being facetious. If a team REALLY wants video footage of an opponent's bench up close, I'm sure they can find a way to do it without anyone knowing.

 

[Mooch]

Re: Oh great first thing mentioend on Sportcenter were the Patriots cheating?

3) you are then able to decipher what coverage a defense is going to be in before the snap. someone on the patriots sideline with knowledge of the "signs" can watch the plays being signaled into the defense and then relay that information to tom brady via radio.
4) radio frequency issues could either be the patriots tapping into the jets' RF and listening to the calls coming into chad pennington from the sideline, or by the patriots relaying the defensive coverage into tom brady's headset before the play.

could that be the reason the score was 14-7 at halftime and then all of a sudden the patriots started to "click"? i guess we won't know until the NFL concludes its investigation..

The headset to the QB is turned off BY THE LEAGUE as soon as the QB breaks the huddle. And the signals from the sidelines to the QB are scrambled -- Other teams can't listen in.

Try again.

 

[ClevTrev]

Re: Oh great first thing mentioend on Sportcenter were the Patriots cheating?

well... since you're asking for it to be explained, here it is.
1) camera man records video of jets' defensive coach calling in coverages
2) at half-time the video of the defensive playcalling is placed in sync with game tape of what defense the jets actually ran.
3) you are then able to decipher what coverage a defense is going to be in before the snap. someone on the patriots sideline with knowledge of the "signs" can watch the plays being signaled into the defense and then relay that information to tom brady via radio.
4) radio frequency issues could either be the patriots tapping into the jets' RF and listening to the calls coming into chad pennington from the sideline, or by the patriots relaying the defensive coverage into tom brady's headset before the play.

could that be the reason the score was 14-7 at halftime and then all of a sudden the patriots started to "click"? i guess we won't know until the NFL concludes its investigation..

Wow, you are really on to the Patriots! Guess it's no use in trying to hide this anymore, so I'll reveal a little-known fact about the Patriot facilities. There's a secret building the team calls Foxboro South, and the location for that building is Quantico right in the same building that housed the X-Files!!!!

Now in this building is all sorts of spook technology and they're currently experimenting with Bionic Technology. Now you know why players with multiple injuries can come back faster and stronger than ever and why players always play better with the Patriots than with other teams. But keep this to yourself because this is off the record, on the QT, and very hush, hush.

 

[Vern]

Re: Oh great first thing mentioend on Sportcenter were the Patriots cheating?

could that be the reason the score was 14-7 at halftime and then all of a sudden the patriots started to "click"? i guess we won't know until the NFL concludes its investigation..

Now I get it...
"Hey Moss, they're going to triple cover you, get ready!"

 

[Lampshade]

Re: Oh great first thing mentioend on Sportcenter were the Patriots cheating?

Now I get it...
"Hey Moss, they're going to triple cover you, get ready!"

what's the signal for "don't expect Hobbs to return the kick?"

 

[ClevTrev]

Re: Oh great first thing mentioend on Sportcenter were the Patriots cheating?

Hey, Lee Harvey Oswald, how does the Kickoff return come into things? Or the fact we scored less points after knowing all that info, than we did before it?

Very simple, "Hey Ellis, this one's going to be a 78 yard kickoff, field it deep in the end zone and return it 108 yards for the score."

 

[Patti37]

Re: Pats stole Jets' calls - the latest fantasy theory [mergedx2]

You do know that organizations have more than one guy giving signals and only the players know which is the correct guy. How do the Patriots know which signals to steal?

 

[Bella*chick]

Re: Pats stole Jets' calls - the latest fantasy theory [mergedx2]

You do know that organizations have more than one guy giving signals and only the players know which is the correct guy. How do the Patriots know which signals to steal?

I didn't know that. Say, that makes it sounds like everyone tries to do stuff like this...

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Re: Pats stole Jets' calls - the latest fantasy theory [mergedx2]

I will admit to being a little concerned about the outcome here. The act I don't care about. Why do you think OC hide their mouths with playsheets ? Duh. But there's so many Patriot haters - and why the hell is Polian on the competition comittee - I can't help but want this to be over with little repercussion.

 

[DW Toys]

Re: Pats Stole Jets' Calls - the latest fantasy theory

Why would the Patriots need to put a guy behind the Jets bench "shooting to get the Jets signlas" when they could have seen them from anywhere in the stadium? Any signals from the bench are more visible from places other than behind the bench, no?

Cousins,
This is a very large funny ha-ha! Every team in the NFL takes pictures of formations and their tendencies from high up in their booths where they can actually be seen. They are sent to the team bench. Is that cheating?

Filming from the sidelines with 43 guys plus staff and other camp followers mingling in front of the "the coach signal callers" can't give you anything. With the high power electronic camera lenses of today, if any NFL team really wanted to film signals in high definition or wanted to check out the pores in detail on Manginis' nose, or see if the Jets cheerleaders were natural blondes, this would be simple and inexpensive with no chance of being "caught". If any team exposes their play sheet of the day or signals in such a way it can be subject to a supposed "eye in the sky", or some idiot with a camera on the sidelines, tough darts. These things are in code anyway.

Gimme a break! A camera on the sidelines with a dolt saying he works for the Pats and is spying for them? If anything, BB would have had him take a cyanide pill with him in case of capture. And he certainly would have a cool hiding spot for the camera like a fanny-pack with a hole on it or perhaps a big Texas ten gallon hat with his spy camera sitting on his head, conveniently put there after the Star Spangled Banner, or at least a shoe box under his arm.
Hasn't anyone ever seen Mission Impossible?

Now Channel 4 is saying this same numb skull (if this was ever true) was tapping the Packers sideline in GB last year and giving the Pats the GB defensive signals. First of all show me your hands,...... How many of you would think that BB would allow this same loser who got caught once, to do the same thing and then sing like a canary when he gets caught without one rubber hose being swung in anger or bright lights shown in his face?

BB, give me this job with NFL sideline credentials. I will show you how to tape without being caught. I will eat the camera if the other teams' security chief says, "Hey what are you doing there?" I won't say "I am from the Patriots and I am filming your sideline coaches for Mr. Bill. Just you go ask him. He'll tell ya!"

DW Toys

Note to B.B.Say, "I have no idea who this moron is or why he is tapping your teams defensive signals."

 

[Bella*chick]

Re: Pats stole Jets' calls - the latest fantasy theory [mergedx2]

I will admit to being a little concerned about the outcome here. The act I don't care about. Why do you think OC hide their mouths with playsheets ? Duh. But there's so many Patriot haters - and why the hell is Polian on the competition comittee - I can't help but want this to be over with little repercussion.

Yeah, me too. When do you think they will resolve this? I just hate having this hanging over us at a time when we are all so optimistic. I mean, first Rodney, now this, it just doesn't make us look very good.

eta: okay, the cyanide pill thing mentioned above just cracked me up. Totally awesome.

 

[ClevTrev]

Re: Pats stole Jets' calls - the latest fantasy theory [mergedx2]

It's getting to the point where the reality of the Patriots gaining an advantage from these rumored activities is more and more ridiculous. The Pats are a huge target, as they've become the team opposing fans love to hate. It's really a compliment, as it indicates that opposing fans want their teams to be like the Pats and will try and find any way to diminish the team in the process. How does it feel to want? So be it. I'm finished with this topic, since I've already posted too much on this, and there are no facts, just rumors running rampant.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: Oh great first thing mentioend on Sportcenter were the Patriots cheating?

The headset to the QB is turned off BY THE LEAGUE as soon as the QB breaks the huddle. And the signals from the sidelines to the QB are scrambled -- Other teams can't listen in.

Try again.

Actaully, I thought that the headset was turned off with 10 seconds on the play clock, but they may have changed it.

 

[PatsDeb]

Re: Oh great first thing mentioend on Sportcenter were the Patriots cheating?

Now I get it...
"Hey Moss, they're going to triple cover you, get ready!"

This is my problem with the signal-stealing theory. No where was it reported during the game that the Jets were constantly in the wrong defense for the play called by the Pats - they just couldn't stop them. I would think that if Brady knew ahead of time that Moss was going to be surrounded by three defenders on that TD pass, he probably would have called a different play and thrown the ball somewhere else.