The lack of news is Jimmy G is deafening

[kennyb]

Who says bb is asking for the first overall? And "if they keep jg, that means they're trading brady next year"?

100% conviction, no evidence. Fine to speculate, but it's based on next to nothing.

 

[kennyb]

Negotiating with leverage 101.. don't see anything wrong with what he is doing.

Jg is perishable, they get a 3rd next year unless they pay 20m to a backup or do what imo is unthinkable and trade brady.

It isnt leverage. Browns could say they have leverage by being able to draft a top qb at #12.

It could be bb simply wants jg as insurance in case brady declines next year and/or retires. No "he's decided to trade brady" or "he's decided to franchise jg". Bb doesnt know that yet, he can't see into the future.

And brady would be 40. He's traded where he doesn't want to go he could very well retire.

 

[luuked]

Jg is perishable, they get a 3rd next year unless they pay 20m to a backup or do what imo is unthinkable and trade brady.

It isnt leverage. Browns could say they have leverage by being able to draft a top qb at #12.

It could be bb simply wants jg as insurance in case brady declines next year and/or retires. No "he's decided to trade brady" or "he's decided to franchise jg". Bb doesnt know that yet, he can't see into the future.

And brady would be 40. He's traded where he doesn't want to go he could very well retire.

The Pats got all the leverage in this situation because they don't need to trade JG. That stress to turn him into picks is coming from the fanbase and the media but most certainly not out of Foxboro.

 

[manxman2601]

The funny thing is, the Browns might now be the best place to land. They have, what looks to be, a top half OL and some weapons in Coleman and Barnidge. Add a decent receiver or two, and that's an offense with potential.

 

[kennyb]

Starting to think BB really isn't going to trade him. He's asking for #1 knowing he won't get it. That's what it would take.

How do you know he's asking for the 1st overall?

 

[ausbacker]

The funny thing is, the Browns might now be the best place to land. They have, what looks to be, a top half OL and some weapons in Coleman and Barnidge. Add a decent receiver or two, and that's an offense with potential.

They've also put themselves in an enviable draft position that if managed well, could potentially pay draft dividends for the better part of a decade.

 

[kennyb]

The Pats got all the leverage in this situation because they don't need to trade JG. That stress to turn him into picks is coming from the fanbase and the media but most certainly not out of Foxboro.

The browns have all the leverage because they don't need to trade for jg. No team does. Just as logical. Makes as much sense.

What "stress to turn him into picks"? How do you know (with certainty no less) the pats aren't anxious to trade him? You can read their minds?

 

[drewskie]

If we trade Jimmy G, it will be a blockbuster that haters are already dreading. A franchise QB is tough to find, and Jimmy G in limited action against PRO LEVEL DEFENSES has been impressive to the point where the majority of our fan base believes he would be a worthy successor to the GOAT.

We are in no position to lose Jimmy G after next season either, the option to tag him is still there. As another poster has said, BB holds the leverage because we don't have to do anything besides standing pat if we want, given the insurance as Tom's back up and how good we all think he is.

The question is if he would have been able to maintain his level of play from the limited snaps we saw...over a full season. I mean he only had the best QB rating in the league after the top two MVP vote getters. He has shown the ability to both deliver accurate throws and read defenses correctly. There's mobility, and the TD to Hogan at Arizona was an audible he himself called where the decision to go deep against Bethel was beautiful. Very impressive.

This is why I believe BB really isn't looking to trade him unless its a mind blowing deal, which I would think is at least the 1st overall pick this year, and quite possibly next year's first rounder as well. Call me delusional but BB is under no pressure whatsoever to have to move Jimmy G, though the media will you think we "have to". We don't have to do anything.

 

[kennyb]

If he's not traded then bill believes he will be our next starting QB in the future. The browns have the picks but bill wants the first overral pick. I don't know what's wrong with taking number 12 and a future first rounder in 2018.

Not necessarily. And how do you know he wants the first overall pick?

Bb may have no idea what will unfold. Brady could collapse or retire or get injured.

He may want jg for a year as insurance and then try a tag and trade.

 

[kennyb]

If we trade Jimmy G, it will be a blockbuster that haters are already dreading. A franchise QB is tough to find, and Jimmy G in limited action against PRO LEVEL DEFENSES has been impressive to the point where the majority of our fan base believes he would be a worthy successor to the GOAT.

We are in no position to lose Jimmy G after next season either, the option to tag him is still there. As another poster has said, BB holds the leverage because we don't have to do anything besides standing pat if we want, given the insurance as Tom's back up and how good we all think he is.

The question is if he would have been able to maintain his level of play from the limited snaps we saw...over a full season. I mean he only had the best QB rating in the league after the top two MVP vote getters. He has shown the ability to both deliver accurate throws and read defenses correctly. There's mobility, and the TD to Hogan at Arizona was an audible he himself called where the decision to go deep against Bethel was beautiful. Very impressive.

This is why I believe BB really isn't looking to trade him unless its a mind blowing deal, which I would think is at least the 1st overall pick this year, and quite possibly next year's first rounder as well. Call me delusional but BB is under no pressure whatsoever to have to move Jimmy G, though the media will you think we "have to". We don't have to do anything.

Lots of qbs look good against PRO LEVEL DEFENSES until they get figured out.

I think it's delusional to say he's a great qb worth the number one overall plus more picks based on a game and a half.

It is true they don't have to trade him. No team has to trade for him either. They don't necessarily need jg. So they have just as much leverage as the patriots.

It's speculative to state as fact they want the #1 overall (plus other picks!) when there's no evidence of tgat. It's just speculation. Where's the evidence?

 

[drewskie]

The browns have all the leverage because they don't need to trade for jg. No team does. Just as logical. Makes as much sense.

What "stress to turn him into picks"? How do you know (with certainty no less) the pats aren't anxious to trade him? You can read their minds?

The Pats are in a situation where waiting it out isn't detrimental to the team. We have an asset that other teams covet, and one where its difficult to find. At worse, we keep a worthy successor to the GOAT.

The Browns could stand pat and do nothing, but teams like theirs are actively seeking the very asset we have. And history has shown that unless these teams have an asset close to what Jimmy G has shown, their chances of building a sustained winning team is slim.

 

[Addictive]

The chance to add Myles Garrett to this Patriots team would be sensational. The top overall talent in this years draft. At a position of need and on a rookie contract and just imagine him being coached up by BB. Myles Garrett appears a sensible and mature young man who would make a perfect Patriot.

I'm not sure I would trade Jimmy G but I would consider it for the number one overall.

And if I was the Browns given how much I've invested in the OL and how many other picks I have over the next two drafts then what you need is a franchise QB.

I think Jimmy G is worth the number one overall pick this year but then I am a biased Patriots fan.

I would also love Jimmy to play over a decade for the Patriots too and win us more Super Bowls so I don't mind what happens to be honest.

 

[PittPatriot]

This would happen close to the draft not during free agency IMO

Agree.
What an interesting swing in momentum.
Last year, the wrongful absence of the Patriots from the 1st round was "deafening."
This year, they will provide a first round "BOOM" that will shatter windows across then NFL.

 

[Username]

No chance of getting the first pick.

But if we did, and didn't use it to draft Myles Garrett I'd be utterly flabbergasted.

 

[luuked]

The browns have all the leverage because they don't need to trade for jg. No team does. Just as logical. Makes as much sense.

What "stress to turn him into picks"? How do you know (with certainty no less) the pats aren't anxious to trade him? You can read their minds?

Sure they do they have zilch at QB. Finding a potential franchise QB is the point of the entire draft exercise.

I am certain that they are not anxious to trade him because they are an organization that has for years operated in a way where they assign value and then execute according to that. If no one meets what BB wants then he will be happy to move on and have a competent backup. It's pretty obvious if you would follow this team more than through headlines.

 

[luuked]

But if we did, and didn't use it to draft Myles Garrett I'd be utterly flabbergasted.

I'd rather have a windfall of draft picks over the next years than one blue chip player.

 

[kennyb]

Sure they do they have zilch at QB. Finding a potential franchise QB is the point of the entire draft exercise.

I am certain that they are not anxious to trade him because they are an organization that has for years operated in a way where they assign value and then execute according to that. If no one meets what BB wants then he will be happy to move on and have a competent backup. It's pretty obvious if you would follow this team more than through headlines.

They may regard other qbs either in the draft or in fa as better than jg. Use some common sense. You sound like a delusional idiot.

No kidding thats how bb values players. Most teams do almost by definition. That doesnt prove that he's holding out for the #1 pick. You may think it does but that's your projection not his valuation. You're literally too stupid to see that you can't read his mind.

And i do follow the team more than through headlines you pompous idiot.

 

[slash83]

Im starting to buy into Schefter being so confident in the Pats not trading JG, he must know something.

 

[luuked]

They may regard other qbs either in the draft or in fa as better than jg. Use some common sense. You sound like a delusional idiot.

There is no one better for their situation in FA and certainly not in the draft.

No kidding thats how bb values players. Most teams do almost by definition. That doesnt prove that he's holding out for the #1 pick. You may think it does but that's your projection not his valuation. You're literally too stupid to see that you can't read his mind.

I never said anything about holding out for a specific pick. I said there is no pressure to trade Jimmy unless someone blows off the door.

And i do follow the team more than through headlines you pompous idiot.

Then I guess you missed his multiple interviews in the past years where he emphasized again and again how important backup QBs are. Otherwise you'd realize that the Patriots are in a position with all the leverage in the Jimmy situation because they can just hold on to him for one more year.

Can't wait for the meltdown from people like you if we hold on to Jimmy about how BB blew it again. Gonna be awesome...

 

[Clonamery]

Im starting to buy into Schefter being so confident in the Pats not trading JG, he must know something.

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It's not even daybreak on Day 2 of FA and that's your take?

Have you ever watched a BB presser? Does he give anything away? Take it like a Fortune Cookie....."All signs point to happy endimg." Then get your lucky numbers (read: draft picks).