Reiss:Similarities to 2010 a notable history lesson for team

[RayClay]

The defense was worse in 2010. They were kind of terrible actually. Almost dead last against the pass and they weren't that great at stopping the run either. Statistically one of the worst teams in the league in yards allowed per play.

The running game wasn't all that either. Anyone really miss Law Firm?

He was almost as good as Blount, Lewis and White. Wait, he wasn't. In fact he sucked against the Jets and Ryan new it.

Seriously, Ryan dared BJ to beat them running or receiving. Could he do that with this team?

 

[RIpats88]

I think all mike reiss is trying to say is to not get complacent because its any team can win in the playoffs

I dont think this team will. They seem to be on a mission. I mean they used last year as motivation to beat miami.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

Brady always loses in Denver, and the Pats always had trouble vs the Ravens. How did that turn out this year? Past history has no relevance to the next game.

Nope...PIT would have clownstomped them and the score would have been uglier than this game. Really... that Jets playoff game was no different than the #1 ranked Steeler defense getting clobbered by Tebow in the playoffs.

It hurt to hear Bart Scott say what he said but he was right, they were terrible and they couldn't stop a nosebleed. If Mark Sanchez roasted them then Ben would have been licking his chops.

Stupid posts like this are what make discussions like this so tough.

Mark Sanchez didn't "roast" anyone. 3 of their TD's came on very short fields. I doubt the Jets had 300 yards of offense. Two TD's were already in FG range.

Also, if Ben could "roast" them..........why does he wait until they are down 30?

Maybe the Steelers would have done what they did in 2011..........but in Foxboro?

Over half the snaps in 2010 were taken by rookies and second year players. An example of "over achievement". They team had weaknesses that Rex exploited for a one hit wonder.

Conditions for 2010 will not be repeated because they can't be repeated.

Something else would have to happen. Injuries are the only constant.

 

[sb1]

Stupid posts like this are what make discussions like this so tough.

Mark Sanchez didn't "roast" anyone. 3 of their TD's came on very short fields. I doubt the Jets had 300 yards of offense. Two TD's were already in FG range.

Also, if Ben could "roast" them..........why does he wait until they are down 30?

Maybe the Steelers would have done what they did in 2011..........but in Foxboro?

Over half the snaps in 2010 were taken by rookies and second year players. An example of "over achievement". They team had weaknesses that Rex exploited for a one hit wonder.

Conditions for 2010 will not be repeated because they can't be repeated.

Something else would have to happen. Injuries are the only constant.

7.8 yards per pass attempt and a passer rating near 130. 315 yards of offense. By Sanchez's standards...that's a roasting whether we want to admit it or not. That defense was not good at all. Watch the replay. The eye test says it all. No reason at all to think Ben wouldnt have done the same thing. I bet even Jimmy Garoppolo would have whipped them.

They were terrible. That's not opinion, that's a fact.

And turnovers alone are not a sufficient measure of a good defense. Even the Colts D at their worst were good at turnovers over the years an I never heard anyone call them a good defense.

Either way... it doesn't matter. The point is this is not the same team now as it was then. That team was overdue for a stinker whether we wanted to admit it at the time or not. This team could lose of course but they are much better in most aspects... and that goes for Brady too.

Unlike a few posters I don't believe in the boogeymen of the past. If the 2010 team "choked" that's not a reason to worry that this team will. If they do it's all on them not past Patriot teams.

 

[AtomicDawg]

I echo those who point out the name on defense. This 2016 defense is 100x better than Sergio Brown, Darius Butler, James Ihedibo and Brandon Spikes as well. Blasts from the past.

 

[AtomicDawg]

Not that I am aware of. But he surely is guilty of something quite serious.

How about this.. Would Welker had been in any kind of dog house if he started his own magazine called the "WW Times" that made fun of the teams they beat? He didn't like Welker.

Brady and Welker are on two different stratospheres when it comes to this team and where they are positioned...so that comparison is invalid.

And making little drawings about team logos is not the same thing as insulting a coach's wife unprovoked. Again, not even on the same planet.

 

[mosslost]

Brady and Welker are on two different stratospheres when it comes to this team and where they are positioned...so that comparison is invalid.

And making little drawings about team logos is not the same thing as insulting a coach's wife unprovoked. Again, not even on the same planet.

Punishing Welker like he did was absurd and rediculous.

 

[AtomicDawg]

Punishing Welker like he did was absurd and rediculous.

I'm not arguing that point. I'm disagreeing with you comparing Brady putting up a cheesy Facebook post about the Dolphins and Game of Thrones to a guy on a press conference saying things about an opposing coach's significant other.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

7.8 yards per pass attempt and a passer rating near 130. 315 yards of offense. By Sanchez's standards...that's a roasting whether we want to admit it or not. That defense was not good at all. Watch the replay. The eye test says it all. No reason at all to think Ben wouldnt have done the same thing. I bet even Jimmy Garoppolo would have whipped them.

They were terrible. That's not opinion, that's a fact.

And turnovers alone are not a sufficient measure of a good defense. Even the Colts D at their worst were good at turnovers over the years an I never heard anyone call them a good defense.

Either way... it doesn't matter. The point is this is not the same team now as it was then. That team was overdue for a stinker whether we wanted to admit it at the time or not. This team could lose of course but they are much better in most aspects... and that goes for Brady too.

Unlike a few posters I don't believe in the boogeymen of the past. If the 2010 team "choked" that's not a reason to worry that this team will. If they do it's all on them not past Patriot teams.

Since you are blind....who exactly cares about your eye test? Anyone can see that when someone tries to pass their very dubious eye test opinion as "fact".

Quoting things like passer rating and yards per attempt is idiotic because those stats have zero meaning. Those stats having meaning in an offense has to consistently sustain long drives to score TD's.

That never happened. What happened was the Jets benefitted from three short fields and a one shot defensive game plan that would never happen again after because Vereen and Ridley were drafted a few months later.

Perhaps someone can explain (or you can use an eye test) to see that leaving teams on many very short fields doesn't help win football games.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

I really didn't understand why BB benched WW. The Jets were doing lots of talking like they always do and WW found a creative way to give it back.

Which is why Welker got benched. Welker committed insubordination. It wasn't about not being nice to Wrecks. It was about disobeying a BB order.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Brady and Welker are on two different stratospheres when it comes to this team and where they are positioned...so that comparison is invalid.

Again, it's not about tweaking another team. It's about disobeying a BB order.

You're right about the comparison being invalid, but incorrect about why. It's because BB didn't tell Brady not to do what he's doing. (And yes, I am assuming that Brady wouldn't be posting those if BB told him to quit it. I think that's a pretty safe assumption.)

 

[sb1]

Since you are blind....who exactly cares about your eye test? Anyone can see that when someone tries to pass their very dubious eye test opinion as "fact".

Quoting things like passer rating and yards per attempt is idiotic because those stats have zero meaning. Those stats having meaning in an offense has to consistently sustain long drives to score TD's.

That never happened. What happened was the Jets benefitted from three short fields and a one shot defensive game plan that would never happen again after because Vereen and Ridley were drafted a few months later.

Perhaps someone can explain (or you can use an eye test) to see that leaving teams on many very short fields doesn't help win football games.

Yeah letting the Jets score a TD from half the field in 5 plays, another in 4 plays from 40 yards away in 30 seconds during final minute of the half plus letting them drive 75 yards for a TD in 5 plays in two minutes in the 2nd half was awesome defense. Yeah that championship caliber defense really shut them down didn't they. Right.

It is indeed a fact that I saw a gawd awful defense get punched in the mouth by Sanchez and the Jets offense... it was the inevitable result when the one man show that Tom Brady was at the time didn't have the great game that he did again and again throughout the season.

If they did win that game they would have gotten absolutely clown stomped by Pitt. No question about it.

 

[Froob]

Yeah letting the Jets score a TD from half the field in 5 plays, another in 4 plays from 40 yards away in 30 seconds during final minute of the half plus letting them drive 75 yards for a TD in 5 plays in two minutes in the 2nd half was awesome defense. Yeah that championship caliber defense really shut them down didn't they. Right.

It is indeed a fact that I saw a gawd awful defense get punched in the mouth by Sanchez and the Jets offense... it was the inevitable result when the one man show that Tom Brady was at the time didn't have the great game that he did again and again throughout the season.

If they did win that game they would have gotten absolutely clown stomped by Pitt. No question about it.

I dunno about that, Brady torched that defense that season and Rodgers did in the SB.

 

[PF_SU]

The back-breaker that game was the 58-yard catch-and-run by the Jets to start the 4th Quarter. Patriots had drawn within three following a Brady TD and 2pt conversion but then that.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

Yeah letting the Jets score a TD from half the field in 5 plays, another in 4 plays from 40 yards away in 30 seconds during final minute of the half plus letting them drive 75 yards for a TD in 5 plays in two minutes in the 2nd half was awesome defense. Yeah that championship caliber defense really shut them down didn't they. Right.

It is indeed a fact that I saw a gawd awful defense get punched in the mouth by Sanchez and the Jets offense... it was the inevitable result when the one man show that Tom Brady was at the time didn't have the great game that he did again and again throughout the season.

If they did win that game they would have gotten absolutely clown stomped by Pitt. No question about it.

That defense in 2010 was no worse than the one that went to the Super Bowl in 2011. The difference was the offense struggling to put up points. Brady found himself under lots of pressure and the offense wasn't able to find its rhythm until very late in the game.

In my mind, that's what ultimately made the difference

 

[sb1]

I dunno about that, Brady torched that defense that season and Rodgers did in the SB.

Brady also torched the 2007 Giants for 38 points in week 17...

He did beat up the Steelers that year but the Jets showed the blueprint on how to make Brady ineffective. And the problem was with that team...once you did that it was over. The Steelers had the personnel to do it again. And they were a lot better than the Jets. I think the Pats get clobbered the second time.

 

[sb1]

That defense in 2010 was no worse than the one that went to the Super Bowl in 2011. The difference was the offense struggling to put up points. Brady found himself under lots of pressure and the offense wasn't able to find its rhythm until very late in the game.

In my mind, that's what ultimately made the difference

Yeah the 2011 defense was terrible. I'm amazed they even got to the Super Bowl game.

I liked the Pats chances in 2010 as long as Brady kept doing what he did all season. When that didn't happen...they lost.

 

[AtomicDawg]

Again, it's not about tweaking another team. It's about disobeying a BB order.

You're right about the comparison being invalid, but incorrect about why. It's because BB didn't tell Brady not to do what he's doing. (And yes, I am assuming that Brady wouldn't be posting those if BB told him to quit it. I think that's a pretty safe assumption.)

You're right that Welker disobeyed BB, and I'm not questioning whether or not it was wrong/right to bench him. But do you think BB even cares about something that is on social media (which he clearly doesn't care about if you watch the many PCs in which he is asked about it)? And we all know it's not even Brady doing the photos, although he signs off on them no doubt. I believe Welker had not "earned his stripes" with BB enough, maybe even after he left. But the question was asked if he did something that Brady did would the same thing happen and that is ludicrous.

 

[Nunchucks]

That defense in 2010 was no worse than the one that went to the Super Bowl in 2011. The difference was the offense struggling to put up points. Brady found himself under lots of pressure and the offense wasn't able to find its rhythm until very late in the game.

In my mind, that's what ultimately made the difference

The 2011 defense was terrible. The fact they made the superbowl that year was shocking.

Why are people so against the eye test? They were failing the eye test earlier in the year, but have definitely passed it since the Seahawks game. The Patriots defense failed the eye test in 2011...and they lost to the Giants because they couldn't get the ball back to the offense. Sure, the Patriots offense still almost won the game, if only they had 1 or 2 more possessions.

 

[JMC00]

We beat blew out NFC finalist Chicago 36-7 on the road, afc champions Pittsburgh 39-26 in Pittsburgh, and afc finalist New York 45-3 at home. We also beat the Super Bowl champion packers 31-28 and

Blew out the Bears in a snow game that they had no interest in playing.

Pats with Brady have owned the steelers

You mean the same jests team that the Pats lost to by 14 points earlier in the year and lost to at home in the playoffs and were one and done?

Beat the SB champion Packers with their backup QB who probably would have won if it hadn't been for a f**cking Dan Connolly 70 yard kick-off return



The 2010 team got blown out by eric mangini and the the f**cking cleveland browns that's all you need to know about that team.


11 out of the 17 games played they allowed 20 or more points

#25 in total yards
#30 in passing yards allowed
#32 YES LAST in the NFL in 3rd down defense and last by a whopping 4%. Allowed teams to convert 47% of the time on 3rd down. 2nd worst team was the bucs at 43%.

It was a team that was carried by the QB scoring 32.4 points a game which was 5 points per game better than the #2 scoring offense