Report: surgery for Gronk

[AtomicDawg]

 

[PatsBoy12]

I actually think we can weather this if we can lock HFA. Anything can happen in the big game, but I think we can actually get back at least if we can play everyone at home in the playoffs.

 

[BelichicksBlackEye]

If it is unrelated to the other two and in a completely different area of the back, the other two surgeries may have nothing to do with this one. And one of the back surgery was just a clean up.

We know nothing about where this ruptured disc is. I think his problems in the past were his lower back. If he ruptured a disc in his upper back, I don't think it will affect his previous problems. Who knows?

contact sports and (multiple) back surgeries do not mix

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

I think we will be fine. Just need someone to block for us. Bennett will be exclusively our tight end now. Need mitchell and hogan to be consistent playmakers.

 

[DaBronxPats14]

HUGE Loss! Even if he comes back and limps in SB, we saw how that effected outcome vs Giants in 2011 SB. Not to mention Brady getting landed on his shoulder altered game as well, but I guess I just did.

Lately each season can't help to think are we going to make it to playoffs without key player/players going down. Sort of like Ghost's kicking now.

 

[borg]

Send a 6'5" 265 pound TE who is coming back from injury on multiple long fly patterns.

Regarding the deep pattern, no catch layout by Gronk vs the NYJ....if memory serves me, Gronk's defender purposely (IMO) landed hard on Gronk's back as his body was extended on the ground and prone. At the time, I said to my TV...that was a bullsh*t dirty play by a dirtbag JEST DB.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Let's be honest.

Don't blame Thomas - - it was a perfectly clean hit.

Blame Belichick and the medical staff for putting him out there unnecessarily on Sunday.

It is an inconvenient truth. Earl Thomas did his job and he did it honestly. The Patriots committed malpractice.

I love the Patriots. But honestly, if he sued them for this, He should clean their clocks in court on this.

Objection! Assuming the conclusion.

There's no reason whatsoever why it couldn't be completely separate injuries. He clearly had a pneumothorax in the SEA game (the flight restriction gives that away). Were there any indications of back injury? I don't recall any reports to that effect. I don't remember any of the "walking gingerly" and "having to hold onto things" reports after SEA that I read after NYJ.

Further, given Gronk's history, if he was feeling any back wonkiness after that SEA game he would have gotten it checked out. And once they found a blown disc there would have been no way he would have played in the NYJ game. Even if the NE docs had no ethics and cleared him, I'd bet he'd have refused to play (and I wouldn't blame him). That he was walking around and then played in the NYJ tells me he did not have the disc injury in the SEA game.

 

[JMC00]

Well the logical, level headed people won't. But for the chicken little, doom-and-gloomers, Christmas came early this year.

 

[luuked]

Well the logical, level headed people won't. But for the chicken little, doom-and-gloomers, Christmas came early this year.

At least you can easily identify now who has no damn clue about this sport by checking if they mention Derby at some point. Helps with finding candidates for the ignore list.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

Dion Lewis's a huge weapon as well as a pass catcher. Just need the wrs to get open.

 

[SVN]

Send a 6'5" 265 pound TE who is coming back from injury on multiple long fly patterns.

Awesome.

Same thing happened against the Texans in January 2013.

Here's an idea - - how 'bout you don't play with fire and LESSEN the chance (not eliminate, mind you) for injury to the guy in his first game back by not sending him on Shawn Jefferson patterns?

Because he was returning from a lung injury not a back ? And he was cleared to play completely and that they have run such plays before ?

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

At least you can easily identify now who has no damn clue about this sport by checking if they mention Derby at some point. Helps with finding candidates for the ignore list.

I mentioned Derby because of the depth. Bennett has to stay healthy or we are f*cked!

 

[shmessy]

I don't understand your issue here. If a player gets cleared by the medical staff there is no reason not to send him out on a deep route. If this happened on a collision on one of those infamous seam routes I would be more inclined to agree with your point.

This could have happened as easily on any block or wham play later on.

it could happen on a block - but not more easily than on a fly pattern or long bomb. See the elbow injury in 2013 in his first game back and this one in his first game back. The odds are greater the closer you play to the fire. Dude is 265 and 6'5" - he's going to fall like a Sequoia.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

So he was just afraid of flying 8 days earlier?

Do you understand why you can't fly with a pneumothorax?

A pneumothorax, when you boil it down, is an air pocket in your chest. That air pocket takes up some of the room that your lung would normally expand into, reducing your lung capacity. When you fly (or go to altitude) the lower external pressure causes the air pocket to expand, further reducing your lung capacity. If that reduces your lung capacity enough (which it can, depending on the initial size of the air pocket) it can be dangerous. Hence medical recommendations not to fly.

You could have an uninjured, invulnerable back and you still shouldn't fly after a perforated lung.

 

[Tuck]

Objection! Assuming the conclusion.

There's no reason whatsoever why it couldn't be completely separate injuries. He clearly had a pneumothorax in the SEA game (the flight restriction gives that away). Were there any indications of back injury? I don't recall any reports to that effect. I don't remember any of the "walking gingerly" and "having to hold onto things" reports after SEA that I read after NYJ.

Further, given Gronk's history, if he was feeling any back wonkiness after that SEA game he would have gotten it checked out. And once they found a blown disc there would have been no way he would have played in the NYJ game. Even if the NE docs had no ethics and cleared him, I'd bet he'd have refused to play (and I wouldn't blame him). That he was walking around and then played in the NYJ tells me he did not have the disc injury in the SEA game.

I agree with your take on this. I would add that that the only reasonable way the back injury could have happened in the Seattle game is if it happened on the Thomas hit along with the lung injury. That's because he was moving well up until then and after the hit he was done. If you look at the replay of the hit and the way Gronk got up after it, it doesn't look like a back injury at all.

 

[JMC00]

At least you can easily identify now who has no damn clue about this sport by checking if they mention Derby at some point. Helps with finding candidates for the ignore list.

I'm now on the mention Derby as a significant loss, get added to my ignore list kick. That way if i'm on here during the broncos game and Derby catches a pass I won't see them throwing a temper tantrum.

 

[Kontradiction]

Because he was returning from a lung injury not a back ? And he was cleared to play completely and that they have run such plays before ?

Not to mention Gronk could have sustained that injury on any route in the route tree as opposed to just the 9 and 8 routes.

 

[shmessy]

Because he was returning from a lung injury not a back ? And he was cleared to play completely and that they have run such plays before ?

Oh, good, he was cleared by the Patriots medical staff, that's everything. They have a tremendous record!

Once again, an injury to one part of the body can create overcompensation issues for an athlete. Happens alot with pitchers injuring their throwing out their arms after having leg injuries. Happens all the time.

 

[luuked]

I mentioned Derby because of the depth. Bennett has to stay healthy or we are f*cked!

Derby has no effect on Gronk or Bennett. The latter two are dual threat TEs that made our running game so dangerous because they can block and are also excellent receivers. Derby can't block for ****. He wouldn't be able to pick up the role of either of them. They share a position designation but are not interchangeable at all.

 

[Pats1989]

Goal is to get the number one seed. Bennett is a very good TE. Still got Edelman, Amendola, Lewis. This team is capable of winning a SB without China Doll.

As for Gronk, this is getting ridiculous. Fair or not, guy can't stay healthy. Get a playing time clause in next contract or move on.