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Big Ben Gives Big Props

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For me, the list is:
  1. Brady
  2. Rodgers
  3. Ben
  4. Cam
  5. Russ
  6. Brees
 
If I'm a GM with a solid foundation and had one year to win it all, I'd rank my options:

1) Brady
2) Rodgers
3) Wilson
4) Roethlisberger
5) Brees
6) Newton
7) Flacco
 
But the overall individual performance of the three is not far off, certainly not enough to justify the patsfans perception of Brady as godlike in the playoffs, Flacco as solid, and Manning as terrible. Some of that is bias, but some of it is the Super Boel performances. To be fair to Manning, 2 of those were post nerve damage and the other was played in a monsoon.

Wait so Manning has the record setting season and ****s the bed in the SB and the nerve damage card gets played as why he wasn't good in that game? Nope, you don't get to play that card.

As for the SB in the monsoon, Manning was bang on average in that post-season, he didn't register a QB rating over 82 and his highest QB rating that post-season was the SB with an 81.8 QB rating. He threw 3 TD and 7 INT those playoffs. So nope you don't get to play that card either.

Fact of the matter is Brady legitimately won 3 of his SBs ('03, '04 and '14) and the 4th he had the arguably the most clutch drive in the history of the SB, at his own 17 with 1:21 to play and no timeouts.

Manning's 2 SB wins his defense carried him. His 2 SB losses were games he threw away. Brady's 2 losses are games where he had the team in the lead and the defense couldn't make a final stop.


So yes there is a decent size gap when it comes to Playoff Brady and Playoff Manning.
 
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Wait so Manning has the record setting season and ****s the bed in the SB and the nerve damage card gets played as why he wasn't good in that game? Nope, you don't get to play that card.

As for the SB in the monsoon, Manning was bang on average in that post-season, he didn't register a QB rating over 82 and his highest QB rating that post-season was the SB with an 81.8 QB rating. He threw 3 TD and 7 INT those playoffs. So nope you don't get to play that card either.

Fact of the matter is Brady legitimately won 3 of his SBs ('03, '04 and '14) and the 4th he had the arguably the most clutch drive in the history of the SB, at his own 17 with 1:21 to play and no timeouts.

Manning's 2 SB wins his defense carried him. His 2 SB losses were games he threw away. Brady's 2 losses are games where he had the team in the lead and the defense couldn't make a final stop.


So yes there is a decent size gap when it comes to Playoff Brady and Playoff Manning.

I guess you missed the word "overall" in my post. If you want to weight the Super Bowls more that is fine, I don't disagree, but Manning's arm was just a different animal before the nerve damage .
 
They'd never do it, but if you've seen "The Hunger Games" when the people in the districts give the "2 finger salute" for the hero(ine) of the movie, it's be great if fans did it with both hands to indicate 1 & 2 for good old #12.
I'm not sure if football fans will get the reference. Got anything from Twilight though?
 
He said Brady was last year and backed it up again now. Pretty cool of Ben to acknowledge it and being quoted.
 
Newton is still severely underestimated according to a lot of lists I see posted.
 
Ben played very well against the rush that swallowed up @ Denver. Were it not for the untimely fumble by the RB, Manning getting away with a slide, or multiple other close plays, the Pats would have been hosting Pittsburgh in the AFCCG.
 
Newton is still severely underestimated according to a lot of lists I see posted.

There is at least a legitimate reason. He's had some crummy seasons, and no one in the modern NFL has sustained long term success with accuracy problems. Even in his MVP year he was still below 60%. There is no reason to underrate Russell Wilson. There's not a single metric or criticism that suggests he isn't a top 5 QB.
 
I guess you missed the word "overall" in my post. If you want to weight the Super Bowls more that is fine, I don't disagree, but Manning's arm was just a different animal before the nerve damage .

And even that primarily because Peyton got to play in that nice, comfy dome.

Fun fact: Brady plays better, on a per game basis, than Payton does outdoors. He also plays better indoors, too.
 
Ben has reformed. He's living a good life these days. I love his game. One tough SOB.

I'm impressed that he has given Brady the respect he has (and not false respect just before a game with the Pats). He is married now with several kids, and that does actually mature some people, evidently it has with him.
 
And even that primarily because Peyton got to play in that nice, comfy dome.

Fun fact: Brady plays better, on a per game basis, than Payton does outdoors. He also plays better indoors, too.

There was a whole CHFF article on that. The stats support your post 100%.
 
And even that primarily because Peyton got to play in that nice, comfy dome.

Fun fact: Brady plays better, on a per game basis, than Payton does outdoors. He also plays better indoors, too.

Not surprising, because Brady is the better quarterback. My position has always been: 1. Brady is better 2. Manning is really, really good, and was not far behind in their respective primes. Switch Belichick and Dungy and you probably switch the results of the playoff games. 3. Brady benefits from having the GOAT coach/football mind (particularly in big games) 4. The disparity in SB wins is attributable to a variety of factors, including the other 52 guys on the roster, the coaching staffs, the playoff opponents, and HFA.
 
If I were Brady at a party with Ben I might spend special attention to watching my drink after that love. Dont want to be a his next victim
 
I respect Big Ben and the Steelers organization. I just don't like them.

i have ZERO respect for the Jills, Rats, LOLphins, Donkeys, Ratbirds and most of all the 2014 "AFC Finalists". The team that calls the Pats their rivals but cannot beat them. Their name escapes me.
 
There is at least a legitimate reason. He's had some crummy seasons, and no one in the modern NFL has sustained long term success with accuracy problems. Even in his MVP year he was still below 60%. There is no reason to underrate Russell Wilson. There's not a single metric or criticism that suggests he isn't a top 5 QB.

This. Cam had an MVP season last year but his other seasons don't compare to what Russell Wilson has done consistently. That's why I'd put Wilson ahead of him right now. But Cam and RW are both young and have a lot of seasons ahead of them.
 
Not surprising, because Brady is the better quarterback. My position has always been: 1. Brady is better 2. Manning is really, really good, and was not far behind in their respective primes. Switch Belichick and Dungy and you probably switch the results of the playoff games. 3. Brady benefits from having the GOAT coach/football mind (particularly in big games) 4. The disparity in SB wins is attributable to a variety of factors, including the other 52 guys on the roster, the coaching staffs, the playoff opponents, and HFA.

It's not that your points are completely invalid, but you may want to consider looking at it a different way. Both teams had their pluses and minuses. Sure, overall Brady has had an overall advantage with BB, although Manning has had some great talent around him and ended up having a lot of elite defenses in Indianapolis from 2007-08 and Denver. Brady's defenses were generally good, but he had his share of clunkers and hasn't had a truly dominant one in a long time. Both the Colts/Broncos and Patriots were dominant teams that almost always won over 12 games. I find it hard to believe there was that great a difference to explain the huge discrepancy. Rather, though, both quarterbacks have found themselves many times late in the game with the season on the line with vastly different results.

Manning finished 14-13. His only two game winning comebacks came in 2006, against a gassed Patriots defense devastated by the flu (plus a zillion other factors in his favor, such as Reche Caldwell), and in 2015, when his "game winning drive" consisted of a fluke fall-down and get-up, and then a long touchdown run on a handoff. He did not throw a single game winning fourth quarter TD pass in his entire postseason career, despite having many, many opportunities. There are too many games to point to where he just couldn't get it done when the going got tough. Games that come to mind where had not one but multiple opportunities to come through were several games with the Colts against the Chargers (one where he couldn't outduel Billy Volek), against the Steelers in '06, the Super Bowl 44 pick-six to Terry Porter, Ravens '12 (OT loss where he just completely fell apart), Colts '14. When he struggled in those playoff games, he was always unable to find that extra gear with the game on the line, and these were really memorable losses because usually that's where great ones come through. Let's say that just 4 times, he had put drives together to win games, which is probably about consistent with his regular season performances. 18-9 is certainly a different sounding record.

Brady is 22-9. His record would likely be close to, or under .500 if he had struggled like Manning in close postseason games. While Manning's postseason simply contains very few dramatics down the stretch, especially in those "grind it out games" where the defenses are very tough, it's hard to find games where Brady failed to win when it was close. The two Giants games he played in, he did bring them back. Were there any games the Colts even blew after heroics where Manning gave them the lead? I literally can't think of one. Brady's greatness and superior record is best explained when the game was on the line. The Tuck Rule Game, Super Bowl 36, Super Bowl 38, Chargers '06, Ravens '11, Ravens '14, Super Bowl 49. That's seven games with remarkable clutch performances with the season on the line; the two Giants games would make nine if the defense held them. These weren't dominant games where the supporting cast and coaching staff made it a contest; Brady was the difference. Manning's career was filled with those opportunities, but he didn't carve out a lot of memorable moments.

Winning those playoff games in the fourth quarter is what makes legendary performances, and Brady's career is overflowing with them. With the exception of Manning's 2006 comeback, a game where he put them in the hole to begin with, does he have any? Is there a single defining moment of his career where he really was incredibly clutch with all the chips down? Even his Super Bowls were unremarkable and carried by his defenses. This is really the major difference here...it's a lot simpler than just coaching and supporting cast arguments. At the end of the game, both teams have really seen it all, and it comes down to poise, guts, and winning. Brady is a legend and the best ever. Manning is an all-time great player who struggled often when his team most needed him.
 
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