Ben Affleck Goes off about Deflategate.

[Galeb]

I've got ya by 360 months. Listen to me...

 

[Jackson 2]

I haven't had a Twinkie or anything close to that sugar-wise in 40 years. I'm into grilled chicken, rice and steamed vegetables. And Bud Light 16 oz. aluminum bottles. Like 12 at a sitting...

 

[Danger Zone]

My exact first thought. It's like when they were asking guys if they could tell the difference between a 12.5 psi ball and 10.5 psi ball...but none asked if they could tell the difference between a 11.3 psi ball and 11.2 psi ball, which is what the accusation actually is.

And one logical fallacy here is the comparing of two footballs and informing the person that one indeed has less air than the other.

Here are two footballs, tell me which one has less air than the other

is very much different from

Why didn't you notice the footballs you throw, which are constantly losing and regaining pressure during outside cold games anyway, were slightly more deflated than they should be?

How much does Wells/Exponent say the footballs were deflated by? I defy anyone to compare 4 footballs (or maybe 2, but thats a 50/50 chance) and tell me one a reliable basis which football is deflated .4 psi less

PS: GFY Borges.

 

[trevrox]

Agree 100%. One of my favorites.

I think we are trying to narrow the criteria to movies that Afflack had a leading role in.

He's a fantastic writer/director

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I don't think Kraft's problem is not drinking enough.

Yeah, his problem seems to be the timing...like, wouldn't it have been better if he'd been passed out in his hotel instead of making his surrender statement in San Francisco?

 

[Dorito Dink]

In 2016 so far... buzzed once at a bbq. Can't wait for football so I have an excuse to kill a 12 pack.

You are out of control

 

[JetFan79]

You are out of control

 

[PatsDeb]

He sounds pretty drunk to me.

Agreed. I thought more WTF than, "Go Ben you Pats' homie!!"

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

About the 8% comment, it is really 4%, and that 4% is all due to the ideal gas law. This also gets back to the absolute pressure/relative pressure confusion.

12.5 psi is the beginning relative pressure = 14.7 + 12.5 = 27.2 psi absolute pressure (since atmospheric pressure at sea level = 14.7 psi).

11.5 is the ending relative pressure = 14.7 + 11.5 = 26.2 psi absolute pressure (same reasoning). This is from using the gauge that the ref remembers using in pregame checks.

So, what was the drop in absolute pressure? 27.2 to 26.2 is a 4% drop. (3.68)

The NFL wrongly says that the other gauge is relevant. and the 11.1 is the ending relative pressure. So their argument would be 27.2 to 25.8 = a 5.1% drop.

 

[BradyFixesEverything]

About the 8% comment, it is really 4%, and that 4% is all due to the ideal gas law. This also gets back to the absolute pressure/relative pressure confusion.

12.5 psi is the beginning relative pressure = 14.7 + 12.5 = 27.2 psi absolute pressure (since atmospheric pressure at sea level = 14.7 psi).

The balls should have been between 11.32 to 11.52 psi, not 12.5 psi.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

The Pats footballs started at 12.5, they ended at 11.5, and yes they should have ended at 11.3-11.5 (depending on assumptions of temperatures).

The 4% drop comes from the measurements, not the expectations, from using the correct gauge, and from properly taking into account atmospheric pressure. You can arrive at 8% if you ignore the atmospheric pressure, i.e. going from the number 12.5 to the number 11.5 is an 8% drop, but that is meaningless.

 

[Mack Herron]

The Pats footballs started at 12.5, they ended at 11.5, and yes they should have ended at 11.3-11.5 (depending on assumptions of temperatures).

The 4% drop comes from the measurements, not the expectations, from using the correct gauge, and from properly taking into account atmospheric pressure. You can arrive at 8% if you ignore the atmospheric pressure, i.e. going from the number 12.5 to the number 11.5 is an 8% drop, but that is meaningless.

Of course this does not (and is not intended to) provide full context. We could add that the range of variation among the Patriots balls was 1.35 psi, or around 600% greater than the maximum alleged deflation. The precision of the "experiment" should also address the variation associated with the starting psi (assumed by Wells to be zero), the variation of the gauges (assumed by Wells to be zero by over-ruling referee recall), among other things.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Why is this thread not still at or near the top of page 1?!

 

[Galeb]

Why is this thread not still at or near the top of page 1?!

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

And one logical fallacy here is the comparing of two footballs and informing the person that one indeed has less air than the other.

Here are two footballs, tell me which one has less air than the other

is very much different from

Why didn't you notice the footballs you throw, which are constantly losing and regaining pressure during outside cold games anyway, were slightly more deflated than they should be?

How much does Wells/Exponent say the footballs were deflated by? I defy anyone to compare 4 footballs (or maybe 2, but thats a 50/50 chance) and tell me one a reliable basis which football is deflated .4 psi less

PS: GFY Borges.

Danger, good post/good question. What you point out are critical questions/data points. However, here are some other important data points regarding the "deflated" footballs: the media is a klown kar uninterested (or unable to process) in information 1/2 an inch inches below the surface, Goodell and cast sit in an ivory tower motivated almost entirely by how they can make their administrative power greater as well as their business record/public view on paper look more shiny, the vast majority of football fans respond to data points with 'huh, so how does that change I hate Belichick and Brady?', and the few people with oversight capability are too busy sipping champagne in that same (or similar to) ivory tower counting their donation money.
Not sure how these data points mesh with your data points but I suspect they play a bigger factor in figuring out exactly what the PSI was ;-)

 

[Joker]

Did someone just say "Danger"?...well, OK Bunky..here ya go!