Punter MacAfee Throws Pagano Further Under the Snapfu Bus

[zydecochris]

I love how they tried to imitate Bill and to deceive the opposing team, but failed so miserably that they ended up deceiving themselves.

Watch Bill come up with a play on STs that is perfectly executed and easily gets us 6 points the next time we play them.

In another thread I was speculating that the ultimate Patriot F*U to the Colts would be running the play correctly sometime in the next year or two (maybe with Gronk snapping it to Edelman, for either a run or a pass). Or, at least taking the delay of game correctly, I thought that would show up the Colts enough.

However, with this new information (that the guy responsible for hiking the ball had never even practiced the play) that almost seems like piling on, how could the Colts look any worse?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Here are the 2 things that amuse me the most about this cluster-mess of a play:

1) Even if the morons split wide right were on the LOS, you still have a violation of the new anti-Patriots rule that came about after the Ravens whining like little girls. They have eligible players (by number) in ineligible positions outside the tackle box.

2) If the Patriots ever did something crazy like this, you know it would be much more well run. So if they ever did something off the wall crazy like this and it worked, the whining from other fan bases would be intolerable, and would probably lead to another rule change.

True, but it's hard to see a way that this play (center/QB with everyone else off to the side) will work. The Pats have already shown that the way to defend it is keep enough guys to swarm the QB before he can get the ball off.

 

[Deus Irae]

True, but it's hard to see a way that this play (center/QB with everyone else off to the side) will work. The Pats have already shown that the way to defend it is keep enough guys to swarm the QB before he can get the ball off.

A college team has apparently run this play. Which leads to the real question:

When will John Harbaugh complain about the Colts trying to run this play?

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Why would he waste a timeout when the ball's not supposed to be snapped, and they're willing to take the DOG penalty?

Who said the play includes taking the DOG penalty if the Patriots don't 'bite' on the call? If Pagano or someone else stated in interview that the play is designed to go down to 0 on the play clock then ok. However, the ball was on, approx, 35 yard line of Indy. If the play is designed to take a fourth down DOG penalty well within your own side of the field then Pagano is at fault for even ok-ing such underlying logic in the first place.
A play that is probably markedly less than 50/50 o not work in the first place yet is designed to push your team back 5 yards if it fails, when you are already well within your own side of the field, is a mark of poor decision making leadership IMHO...

Edit: the DOG penalty still does not absolve him of not seeing the obvious lack of men on the LOS and this making it certint of penalty/failure regardless of what the Patriots do. As the HC he should have seen that and called TO accordingly....and it is a fail on his part for the play.

 

[Deus Irae]

Who said the play includes taking the DOG penalty if the Patriots don't 'bite' on the call? If Pagano or someone else stated in interview that the play is designed to go down to 0 on the play clock then ok. However, the ball was on, approx, 35 yard line of Indy. If the play is designed to take a fourth down DOG penalty well within your own side of the field then Pagano is at fault for even ok-ing such underlying logic in the first place.
A play that is probably markedly less than 50/50 o not work in the first place yet is designed to push your team back 5 yards if it fails, when you are already well within your own side of the field, is a mark of poor decision making leadership IMHO...

MacAfee:

So Colt Anderson (the quarterback on the play) is trying to draw a guy offsides to pick up an easy five yards. If not, we just don’t snap it. We take a delay of game.”

The logic is fine.

 

[Tony2046]

You can use Brady's answer to Dion's post super bowl question....."Would you have checked out of that play?"

"I'm glad they didn't".

 

[Schmo]

Our 11 guys on the field knew what the Colts were doing more than each of their 11 did. This is why BB commits players like Ebner, Slater, and Bolden to ST. While the receivers are studying routes, these guys are preparing for every possible instance on ST. They were ready and were barking out instructions.

Is it a coincidence that all 11 of our players are THAT much smarter than Indy's 11? No, it's on the coaches.

If I recognize it's illegal before the snap and their coaches don't even get a TO in, that's just a complete fail from their upper ranks.

 

[shmessy]

Ok, now you're being deliberately foolish. If Pagano doesn't think the ball's going to be snapped, why would he waste a timeout?

You're clowning yourself here.

"If Pagano doesn't think the ball's going to be snapped,....."

With a snapper on the field who had never practiced this play for the entire 1 year+ that the other guys had practiced it.

Gee, what could wrong?????.

Genius.

 

[RobertWeathers]

They hate their coach.

 

[zydecochris]

But how can this be? Grigson is such an upstanding guy...

You are right, doing something underhanded does sound out of character for him.

Ryan Grigson tipped NFL off to deflated balls in Patriots-Colts - CBSSports.com

 

[Deus Irae]

"If Pagano doesn't think the ball's going to be snapped,....."

With a snapper on the field who had never practiced this play for the entire 1 year+ that the other guys had practiced it.

Gee, what could wrong?????.

Genius.

Plenty of reason to bash the ST coach.

Plenty of reason to bash Pagano for the major playcalling changes that took place AFTER this happened and the Patriots scored.

Not reason for your specific attacks on Pagano here. They're nonsensical.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

MacAfee:



The logic is fine.

Fair enough. The design was to take the DOG.
IMHO this makes Pagano look extra inept in the design of the play as taking a penalty at around the 35 of your own side of the field on fourth down is poor football thinking. However, from the actual snapping of the ball standpoint I would agree that this is not Pagano's fault based on the quote of the Indy player.

 

[slam]

Here are the 2 things that amuse me the most about this cluster-mess of a play:

1) Even if the morons split wide right were on the LOS, you still have a violation of the new anti-Patriots rule that came about after the Ravens whining like little girls. They have eligible players (by number) in ineligible positions outside the tackle box.

That can't be true, can it? There must be some special dispensation for special teams plays.

 

[Deus Irae]

Fair enough. The design was to take the DOG.
IMHO this makes Pagano look extra inept in the design of the play as taking a penalty at around the 35 of your own side of the field on fourth down is poor football thinking. However, from the actual snapping of the ball standpoint I would agree that this is not Pagano's fault based on the quote of the Indy player.

McAfee was punting at home, in a dome. He, and Allen, ended up with an average of better than 47 yards per kick (47.8). The 5 yards thing is all but meaningless.

 

[Gumby]

A college team has apparently run this play. Which leads to the real question:

When will John Harbaugh complain about the Colts trying to run this play?

Here you go, run with the hike option instead of the draw the offsides/too many men penalties default.

 

[Tony2046]

I wonder what would have happened against a non BB coached team.

 

[Gumby]

Here you go, run with the hike option instead of the draw the offsides/too many men penalties default.

Note the QB was NOT under center.

Also the Maine guy said they had three options after the hike of what they could do and he chose the roll-out right pass-run-option option.

 

[mosi]

The funny thing in that article is, none of them are informed enough to realize that their formation was an illegal formation. So regardless, even if they got them to jump offsides, penalty on them for illegal formation. If they got them for too many men on the field, penalty on them as well for illegal formation. Score a touchdown on the play, it's coming back for illegal formation. They were ****ed from the get-go.

That is the key point. BB reads the rule book and works with it. For that he get blasted by the media. Pagano has having his team practice a play for over a year that is illegal and will not work!

What is scary is depending upon the refs to know this is illegal and make the call. Who is to say that another ref would not know the rule?

 

[The Gr8est]

He was looking for a penalty on the Patriots, Deus. It wasn't a beauty pageant.

They first had to be lined up correctly if there was to be a penalty on the Patriots, either through offsides or too many men on the field.

Kind of like what the Colts and the NFL* did in Deflategate.

They tried to get the Pats penalized for doing something stupid, when the Pats didn't break any rules they manufactured an offense behind closed doors.

In the case of the PuntBungle, the whole world could see what happened so there was no way to penalize the Pats.

 

[shmessy]

McAfee was punting at home, in a dome. He, and Allen, ended up with an average of better than 47 yards per kick (47.8). The 5 yards thing is all but meaningless.

That would be true for TAKING a 5 yard penalty (back up 5 yards and punt), but not for DRAWING a 5 yard penalty (1st down Indy).

So do you think Pagano needed a program to find out who that #17 was??????