Punter MacAfee Throws Pagano Further Under the Snapfu Bus

[Triumph]

Chuck Puntgano

 

[bbobbo]

No....

The play is designed to catch the Patriots early. Once the teams are lined up, and the right numbers are on the field, the play is dead. There's nothing Pagano can do.

the first option was dead, but there was the second option to try to draw the patriots offsides, and that would have required snapping the ball:

2nd Option Added in Practice Without Whalen

But the Patriots didn’t sub. The Colts added a second option though to the play in practice that week to still try and draw New England offsides. As mentioned above, Whalen was not part of that practice, since Geathers was the original gunner/center on the play.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

That's not on Pagano. He's not expecting the ball to be snapped.

Then what, exactly, do you think he was expecting at that point?

I look forward to y'all railing against BB for every false start, offsides and illegal formation the Patriots get flagged for, from now on, though.

Nice straw man.

 

[BingoBrown]

Remember when Manning and Dungy tried a trick play that failed(I think it was
during the playoffs)they were pissed because they had practiced over and over

 

[DaBruinz]

That's not on Pagano. He's not expecting the ball to be snapped.

Yes, it is on Pagano since he didn't ensure that his back-up gunners were clued in on the audibles..

 

[raduray]

I don't disagree with that, but if the Colts had indeed caught the Pats early, the play would have been nullified do to the illegal formation.

But that's not on Pagano.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that. To me a blatantly illegal formation for a trick play that has been practiced for some time is on the coach.

 

[Tony2046]

It is to the extent that if the play had worked as designed and the ball would have been snapped to catch the Pats with too many defenders on the field, the play would have been nullified due to an illegal formation. How do you practice a play for a year and then line up illegally? Definitely on the coach.

I'm not sure and I'm not disagreeing with you but at what point do you stop holding your ST coach's hand? If you draw up a play with the coaches and iron out the details on paper should the ST coach be able to implement it? Did Pagano monitor the initial walk throughs and thought everyone was on the same page?

Either way, I know Pagano is going to take the hit for this.

Funny Side thought: What if the Pats meet the Colts in the playoffs and BB successfully runs a similar play and gets the call? hahaha

 

[Triumph]

I sure am glad that BB takes full responsibility when something goes south on offense, defense or special teams.

 

[Deus Irae]

Again, this is not on Pagano. It's on the ST coach. People need to read the piece::

“As soon as their defense comes back on the field, we snap it, steal 5 yards (because the defense would have too many men on the field), and we get a first down,” explained McAfee on what the Colts hoped would happen. “So there’s the intention of it. That’s the thought.”

The play was dead, from the Colts POV.

The new wrinkle was never going to happen, because the replacement center didn't know about it. And moving the entire line forward after it had already gotten in position would have been a penalty.

 

[PatriotReign]

That's what happens when you treat Patriots games as the super bowl. When the original guy went down they should have just put away that play for another game. Not try to force it on themself with a player, who plays a crucial part of the play, who haven't even practised it.

Or they could have practiced it with multiple players in case someone got injured during the game.

 

[Triumph]

Yes, it is on Pagano since he didn't ensure that his back-up gunners were clued in on the audibles..

Its absolutely on the Head Coach.

Indy was so confused on what to do. The Puntgano was the turning point in the game.

 

[Wax Frog]

The Colts have become a national laughingstock

And I love it!

Ignored, perhaps deleted, but I felt moved to post this to the Colts' FB page...

 

[raduray]

I'm not sure and I'm not disagreeing with you but at what point do you stop holding your ST coach's hand? If you draw up a play with the coaches and iron out the details on paper should the ST coach be able to implement it? Did Pagano monitor the initial walk throughs and thought everyone was on the same page?

Either way, I know Pagano is going to take the hit for this.

Funny Side thought: What if the Pats meet the Colts in the playoffs and BB successfully runs a similar play and gets the call? hahaha

Yes, the ST coach designed/coached the play poorly, but Pagano must/should have seen it and approved it in practice over the many months they had it in their repertoire. Also, I can't imagine the ST coach deciding to run that play in a game without Pagano's approval.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

It's great...all these teams ***** and moan that the Patriots don't give them a chance to substitute, the Patriots use formations that use quick substitutions, the Patriots aren't nice because they try to be deceptive. Then the Colts try to run a play intended to deceive the Patriots based on who their personnel will be for the play, something that would certainly fall into the "low morals" that they preach against, and then fail in a level so spectacular that this play might be discussed fifty years from now as among the dumbest formations of all-time.

 

[Deus Irae]

Then what, exactly, do you think he was expecting at that point?



Nice straw man.

It's not a straw man, at all. Do you know what one is?

 

[varjao]

Pagano decided not to punt to try something funny against Belichick special teams, he is responsible.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Again, this is not on Pagano. It's on the ST coach. People need to read the piece::



The play was dead, from the Colts POV.

The new wrinkle was never going to happen, because the replacement center didn't know about it. And moving the entire line forward after it had already gotten in position would have been a penalty.

Ok I'll take it on faith that Pagano is not responsible for the plays various levels of preparation or executions. But when the initial formation suggested the play was DOA, or the level of general disarray unfolding, or the obvious 'not enough men on the LOS' formation, why is Pagano absolved of not calling timeout when this disarray unfolded all the way to 1 second on the play clock nearly right in front of him? I'd bet Pagano has called TO from the sideline for much less confusion/disarray than this....

 

[Deus Irae]

Ok I'll take it on faith that Pagano is not responsible for the plays various levels of preparation or executions. But when the initial formation suggested the play was DOA, or the level of general disarray unfolding, or the obvious 'not enough men on the LOS' formation, why is Pagano absolved of not calling timeout when this disarray unfolded all the way to 1 second on the play clock nearly right in front of him? I'd bet Pagano has called TO from the sideline for much less confusion/disarray than this....

Why would he waste a timeout when the ball's not supposed to be snapped, and they're willing to take the DOG penalty?

 

[QuantumMechanic]

I don't disagree with that, but if the Colts had indeed caught the Pats early, the play would have been nullified do to the illegal formation.

Only if the ball is snapped. Illegal formation is a at-the-snap penalty. After all, until the ball is snapped the offense can always move to a legal formation, so you only can definitively say a formation is illegal when the ball is snapped and offense's positions become irrevocable.

If the "QB" gave a hard count and Bolden or Bostic jumped and made contact with either the "QB" or the "center" that's a neutral zone infraction and and I believe it would not be offset by the illegal formation because there was no snap.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Again, this is not on Pagano. It's on the ST coach. People need to read the piece::



The play was dead, from the Colts POV.

The new wrinkle was never going to happen, because the replacement center didn't know about it. And moving the entire line forward after it had already gotten in position would have been a penalty.

That's not quite how it works. You can shift multiple players, but everyone has to be in set position for one full second before the snap. So they could have re-formed correctly without penalty.