Brady doubles down on his medical beliefs

[Jackson 2]

Listening to EEi they talked to a guy who was involved with his situation. It sounded like this Marketing guy Bennet? was the true snake oil salesman, this is how he sold various products. He had a pitch on how to sell Geurrero's product and Alex went along with it. Sounds like very poor judgement from a young naive guy to me. The guy on EEi said Alex seemed like a good guy and put most of the blame on Bennet? I only caught parts of the interview so that was my gist....

I heard it all. The guy was a plaintiff in a lawsuit against Guerrero's group. You're right. He painted a very different picture of Guerrero than the one painted by BostonMagazine. Actually largely exonerated Guerrero. Link might be posted on WEEI site.

 

[Brewskies]

Sometimes I wonder how smart Brady really is. He sure is athletic a natural.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Sometimes I wonder how smart Brady really is. He sure is athletic a natural.

What aspect of his intelligence are you questioning?

 

[sambam94]

Hey, whatever works for him, I guess.

You can never really extrapolate too much from one person's habits… It's like when someone turns 100 and they say, she ate bacon every day of her life! So it's hardly scientific.

Also, I love Coke. Not much of a frosted flakes guy, but I'd be happy to discuss some other sugar cereals. Haven't killed me yet.

doesn't take long to stop a craving..about a week for me. I had a terrible diet(honey buns for every breakfast) and it took high blood pressure at age 49 to smarten me up. Cut all junk food cold turkey and starting eating healthy, dropped 35 pounds in 6 months by just eating better, found it easy to do..2 years later, weight still off, feel much better and healthier.
I used to love Coke, I took a slight sip not to long ago and couldn't believe how ungodly sweet and horrible it tasted to me. Everyone can change bad habits, just takes a little will.
Saying I eat X food and it hasn't killed me yet is not the wisest way to look at it.

 

[hambone1818]

That interview, by itself, is spot on. Brady's right to question the foods that are peddled in this country, there's a reason we call it an obesity 'epidemic' now because that's what it is, and it's directly related to the foods eaten in this country. Additionally, as it pertains to athletes I do believe that an almost fanatical approach to nutrition, exercise, massage, stretching and cognitive tests would and could do wonders for athletes if they had the type of dedication that Brady has--which is where this starts and ends, because almost none of them do, and that's where he's separated himself.

That aside, the water that is purported to minimize concussions is bunk, based on no science. The stuff Guerrero was peddling a decade ago that he claimed cured all kinds of maladies is garbage. I love Brady's approach to health and wellness, to keeping his mind and body fit, and it sounds like he found a fit with Guerrero in that regard, which is great. However, I do think the association with a veritable snake oil salesman, being in business with a man who peddles crap 'miracle cures', is a terrible business decision and does reflect poorly on Brady to a degree.

He didn't mention the 'miracle cure' drugs/water at all, I can only hope that he's veered away from that side of Guerrero's business and sticks to the diet/mental and physical exercise/yoga/etc side of things, because he obviously believes in it and I do believe a lot of it is fantastic, both for the general public and especially for elite athletes.

 

[RecoveringCowboy]

Analytics, analytics.

The question is what things Brady does makes him great and what is just coincidental?

 

[aluminum seats]

doesn't take long to stop a craving..about a week for me. I had a terrible diet(honey buns for every breakfast) and it took high blood pressure at age 49 to smarten me up. Cut all junk food cold turkey and starting eating healthy, dropped 35 pounds in 6 months by just eating better, found it easy to do..2 years later, weight still off, feel much better and healthier.
I used to love Coke, I took a slight sip not to long ago and couldn't believe how ungodly sweet and horrible it tasted to me. Everyone can change bad habits, just takes a little will.
Saying I eat X food and it hasn't killed me yet is not the wisest way to look at it.

Sure, sure. I was being sort of lighthearted about it. Important to be balanced, is all. Of course eat healthy, and many don't. I do, but still enjoy a coke with a slice of pizza now & again.

I just feel like there's such a heavy sanctimony that kicks in with a lot of people (not referring to you, or anyone here, necessarily) when it comes to diet. By all means, exercise and eat sensibly. But don't forget to live...something's going to get all of us in the end.

 

[Deus Irae]

That aside, the water that is purported to minimize concussions is bunk

Please show all your studies that prove this.

 

[SVN]

Last night Felger was back in full Brady-bashing mode. I think he is Goodell's side piece.

Felger long ago equated brady to barry bonds subtly because of them sharing contacts of some same supplement supplier or something. So this is nothing new.

 

[AzorianPats]

People here are misunderstanding the situation. There is nothing wrong with Brady training with this guy. Whether his instruction actually does anything is debatable, but if it makes Tom feel better than I'm all for it. The issue is that Tom is in business with him, endorsing products made by a guy who blatantly took advantage of terminally ill people to make a quick buck. It's not a good look.

This!

Alex Guerrero the personal trainer, body guru is fantastic. What hes done to transform Brady and extend his career is phenomenal. Hes ahead of the curve in the fitness/health field.

Now Guerrero the buisnessman another thing....

 

[neuronet]

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/curran-who-alex-guerrero-heres-what-i-know

good read on his personal experience.

Really wish this hadn't been merged, just spent too much time tracking it down in this uber thread. It is unique enough to deserve its own thread.

Very cool article, seems reasonable overall as "one man's" experience, just to give us another perspective. The obsession with drinking huge amounts of water is not well supported by evidence, but it probably won't hurt either unless you go overboard and start to piss out all your electrolytes.
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We need a better way to track the threads that got merged into the mother thread than searching by eye. Maybe if you click on the merged thread, it actually takes you to the post that got merged instead of the first post in the mother thread?

It got REALLY bad in some of the deflategate threads with multiple merges.

 

[hambone1818]

Please show all your studies that prove this.

Well considering no studies were done to prove it's claims I'd say I don't have to show anything. Guerrero didn't do any studies, despite the label reading 'scientifically proven'. The FTC threatened to investigate and shut him down but he did it himself.

I'm on board with the idea that his health and wellness work with Brady and other NFL athletes is awesome, enough of them sing his praises; and knowing a decent amount about it myself the nutrition guidance and in-season strength/flexibility programs sound great, and I also believe the science behind cognitive training is unimpeachable and his work with Brady in that regard probably plays a big role in how incredibly fast Brady is able to read and react. But his miracle cure supplements have been shut down twice now, with no science backing their claims whatsoever.

As I said, if Brady and Guerrero stick to the mental and physical health side of the business and stay away from unproven claims then I love it, we need more famous people pushing health and wellness. Hopefully Guerrero--and Brady by extension--know by now to stay away from garbage products that don't do what they're claimed to do.

 

[Deus Irae]

Well considering no studies were done to prove it's claims I'd say I don't have to show anything.

Yes, you do. You made the claim that it was bunk, after all. I'm not saying that you're wrong, for the record.

I'm noting the irony inherent in your post.

 

[neuronet]

Please show all your studies that prove this.

He said it wasn't based on science. IF you are peddling an anti-concussion drink, the burden of proof is on the peddler. Where are his studies showing it works, should be the question. I can piss in a bottle and tell you it is anti concussion. It's on me to validate and show it is safe and that the claims I'm making are legit.

Otherwise I'm selling BS.

Brady is a great athlete, so I cut him some slack here for believing some weird stuff. Overall the philosophy is sane: eat healthy, exercise, and sleep well.

Not radical, and well-supported by evidence. The alkaline diet theory? Whatever, if it gets him eating his veggies, then who cares if he believes it.

 

[Deus Irae]

He said it wasn't based on science.

He called it bunk. I quoted it.

It's on him to prove it's bunk. Do you really not see the irony inherent there?

 

[hambone1818]

Yes, you do. You made the claim that it was bunk, after all. I'm not saying that you're wrong, for the record.

I'm noting the irony inherent in your post.

Here's what I said:
"That aside, the water that is purported to minimize concussions is bunk, based on no science."

I said the water itself is crap, the claims are based on no science. Not that the science behind the water is garbage--precisely because there is no science, no studies. And I'm sorry, but I the FTC comes knocking to investigate your product, and you pull that product and give everyone who bought it a refund, then that's pretty much all the proof I need. Or, I guess, Wes Welker being a key sponsor...seems those amount to pretty good circumstantial evidence, even if there's no 'proof' that his water doesn't prevent or help heal concussions, which is such a ridiculous claim anyway.

There's no reason to quibble over semantics. Curran hit the nail on the head with his article: stick to the health/wellness, because he's by all accounts GREAT at that--and now has one of the biggest sports figures in the world supporting him. Stay far, far away from the supplement/snake oil business...I hope he's learned his lesson, and I hope Brady understands why it's bad business to associate with him if he hasn't.

 

[FourierSeries]

People here are misunderstanding the situation. There is nothing wrong with Brady training with this guy. Whether his instruction actually does anything is debatable, but if it makes Tom feel better than I'm all for it. The issue is that Tom is in business with him, endorsing products made by a guy who blatantly took advantage of terminally ill people to make a quick buck. It's not a good look.

I've only recently started reading about this Guerrero dude, and from what I've read, you could certainly make a case that he is a quack. Apparently he was referring to himself as a doctor, despite only having a Master's degree in Chinese medicine from an institution which closed in 2010. He also apparently misled people and told them his nutritional supplement cured cancer.

I don't know if he is legit or not, and whether or not Brady's public support of him has to do with his business dealings or if he actually believes Guerrero is legit, but the onus for being misled should fall squarely on those who were misled. If you're going to go outside of the mainstream and put your health in the hands of an "alternative healer," you better do your research and make sure you aren't getting duped. When people hear "cure for cancer" they tend to ignore their reasoning skills. Just as those who hear "consistent 40% annual stock market returns" from fund managers. You'd have to be the world's biggest ****** to fall for something like that, without performing the due diligence.

Some people are just begging to be taken advantage of.

 

[Deus Irae]

Here's what I said:
"That aside, the water that is purported to minimize concussions is bunk, based on no science."

I said the water itself is crap, the claims are based on no science. Not that the science behind the water is garbage--precisely because there is no science, no studies. And I'm sorry, but I the FTC comes knocking to investigate your product, and you pull that product and give everyone who bought it a refund, then that's pretty much all the proof I need. Or, I guess, Wes Welker being a key sponsor...seems those amount to pretty good circumstantial evidence, even if there's no 'proof' that his water doesn't prevent or help heal concussions, which is such a ridiculous claim anyway.

There's no reason to quibble over semantics. Curran hit the nail on the head with his article: stick to the health/wellness, because he's by all accounts GREAT at that--and now has one of the biggest sports figures in the world supporting him. Stay far, far away from the supplement/snake oil business...I hope he's learned his lesson, and I hope Brady understands why it's bad business to associate with him if he hasn't.

First, even the innocent often cave before the government, so that part of your post is meaningless, and you should know that.
Second, again, you made a claim you can't actually support with any kind of study.

Therein lies the irony. No matter how much lipstick you try putting on this pig, it's still going to be a pig.

 

[hambone1818]

First, even the innocent often cave before the government, so that part of your post is meaningless, and you should know that.
Second, again, you made a claim you can't actually support with any kind of study.

Therein lies the irony. No matter how much lipstick you try putting on this pig, it's still going to be a pig.

God you're so annoying....do you just get off on being a contrarian?

Here's a thought: Guerrero was part of a company that sold bogus 'miracle cure' products to cancer patients. Whatever his involvement in it, he was at least a spokesman who claimed to have a medical degree he does not have. So sorry, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt that his concussion water prevents concussions when he peddles that without a shred of evidence. So yes his concussion water claims are bunk, as I said originally. You can spin it any way you want, you're flat out wrong.

 

[Bella*chick]

Sure, sure. I was being sort of lighthearted about it. Important to be balanced, is all. Of course eat healthy, and many don't. I do, but still enjoy a coke with a slice of pizza now & again.

I just feel like there's such a heavy sanctimony that kicks in with a lot of people (not referring to you, or anyone here, necessarily) when it comes to diet. By all means, exercise and eat sensibly. But don't forget to live...something's going to get all of us in the end.

Forget to live is an interesting way to put it. In my opinion living is being able to improve my climbing and do harder routes. Living is a day hiking with friends or having the energy to keep up with my kids. Living is not eating pizza and drinking Coke. Oh, sure, pizza and coke commercials may tell you that by showing people having the time of their lives while drinking Coke. But that's just marketing.