DRAFT DAY DISCUSSION Very disappointing

[mesoslo]

The reason why low picks dont tend to have value is because of luck.

you have to be lucky in order for value to fall that deep in the draft board. That is why you scout, the deep you can scout in the draft the better advantage you have.

but even then other teams can trade in and out which changes/alter the value.

 

[denverpatsfan]

Dissapointed to say the least. Why couldn't we have traded both picks and moved up to get an ILB or better rated safety??

The Broncos moved up to fill a big need on their team.

This guy is projected to be a nickel back to cover the opposing teams slot receiver. Is that worth a 1st round pick.

Wasn't pick 28 supposed the be the Pats 2nd rounder??

I guess I am more upset that they traded away #28. There were plenty of impact players still on the board.

 

[patsox23]

Comparing teams trades during the draft is dumb. The Cowboys could rape the Browns because if Cleveland didn't get that pick then the Chiefs at the next pick take Quinn. Also the Browns probably thought of Quinn as a Top 10 player that they would get at 22. Some would call this great value. Thats why the Boys raped the Browns.

Hey, look! Someone who's using his brain. Thanks for the dose of sanity, Rhody.

 

[Brady to Brown]

Dissapointed to say the least. Why couldn't we have traded both picks and moved up to get an ILB or better rated safety??

The Broncos moved up to fill a big need on their team.

This guy is projected to be a nickel back to cover the opposing teams slot receiver. Is that worth a 1st round pick.

Wasn't pick 28 supposed the be the Pats 2nd rounder??

I guess I am more upset that they traded away #28. There were plenty of impact players still on the board.

It was like they had no plan. I am surprised they did not trade #24 for a 2009 first round pick.

 

[Boston Boxer]

i think we should all wait until about Tuesday to rate this draft. We still have a lot of picks.

 

[mesoslo]

Quinn needs weis offensive expertise. Quinn's value at 22 is fitting.

 

[denverpatsfan]

Yes we still have quite a few picks, but let 67 other players get picked before they get a chance in the 3rd round.

 

[kas]

Dallas didn't trade down from 20. They traded UP from #4 of the 2nd round. So the whole basis of your post is BUNK.

Sorry, it was a crappy deal. If you want to think it was good, so be it. But it wasn't. Not when Dallas paid out a 3rd and a 5th to move up to # 26 from the #4 spot of the 2nd round.

No, the first deal was:
Browns Get
1st round, No. 22: Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame
Cowboys Get
2nd round, No. 36 (to PHI) 2008 1st round

Looks like a trade down to me. If you can't see that there's much better value trading down from 22 (with a top QB prospect on the board) than from 28, I'm not sure what to even think.

Even if you combine the two trades Dallas made, it works out to:
GIVE:
1:#22, 2:#36, 3:#87, 5:#159
GET:
1:#26, #1 in '08

We gave #28 for a 4th and a 1st in '08. Now, obviously, chances are that the Cleveland pick will be higher than SF's, but that's not a sure thing at all in today's NFL, and even so SF's pick should be around 20 at the latest. I really don't see such a huge difference in value.

I don't want to come off insulting. You certainly are entitled to feel upset. But, I just feel that your anger is more towards the fact that we didn't take the "sexy" pick on D that we've wanted for years - the first round LB. It's obvious that BB doesn't find value in first round LB's as much as other positions - and LB has hardly been a weakness up until now. I know we have some guys there getting older, but we've already added 1 young(ish) stud who can contribute at a Pro Bowl level for the next few years and Colvin is still relatively young as well. We also have a few young players who the staff seems to like who might develop. And let's wait until the end of the draft before making conclusions - a 3rd or early 4th LB could do a lot for the positional depth there.

 

[patriotspride]

I kow the draft is not over
I know SF pick could be in the 16-20 next year


But Deion Branch for Brandon Merriweather and basically nothing else the first day of the draft?

There were so many possibilities before the welker trade for teh Pats to get younger and more athletic on defence with 2 #1's a #2 and a three


All we get is a 5'10 featherweight safety.

Be honest...there must be others who are feeling disappointed.

thats one way of looking at it.i know the 24th pick was from the branch trade .but the pats would have used the 28th pick if there was no number 24th pick .so what the pats did is just postpone the player we will get from the branch trade and increased or at least give the team the chance for a higher pick next year.i like it

 

[kas]

Dissapointed to say the least. Why couldn't we have traded both picks and moved up to get an ILB or better rated safety??

The Broncos moved up to fill a big need on their team.

This guy is projected to be a nickel back to cover the opposing teams slot receiver. Is that worth a 1st round pick.

Wasn't pick 28 supposed the be the Pats 2nd rounder??

I guess I am more upset that they traded away #28. There were plenty of impact players still on the board.

BB doesn't value early LB's. Never has, and probably never will. And the comment that Merriweather is a projected nickel back his rookie year is rediculous. We are fortunate enough to have good depth. Merriweather will contribute immediately and all season in sub-packages and in a safety rotation provided no injuries occur. That would be a great rookie year IMO. Any rookie LB we would draft, no matter how high, would be stuck on the bench just as much if not more.

 

[Kdo5]

I was OK with all this and problably will be but now that the Jets have taken Harris, I'm ready to puke.

 

[Don Kipines]

The Jets came away with the best CB on the board when they started with a pick one lower than the Pats.


the PATS do not pick until almost the end of the 3rd round.
Maybe they will find a gem...but it seems like they could have done better


I am not a JETS fan.

On this board if you ever dare to question anything that BB/Pioli do you get attacked...it always happens

Marcus is absurdly pessimistic, but it's not a great trade unless you factor in a subjective assessment of the Niners' chances next year.

Take the Pats-Ravens trade a few years ago. We traded #19 (925 points) for #41 (500 points) and a future #1 (counted at the middle of the round, pick 16, worth 1000 points) -- but with the #1 you lose one whole round for it being one year in the future, which means it counts as a #48, or 430 points. That means we traded here exactly according to the chart -- 925 points for 930 points.

In this case, the Pats #28 pick according to the Gil Brandt chart is worth 700 points. The Niners' 4th is worth 82 points. The future #1 is again worth 430 points. So basically we traded 700 points for 512 points.

Now, Baltimore was a better team than SF. But without taking that into consideration, we basically coughed up the value of a low third-round pick.

Another factor is that New England is a strong team and doesn't need the extra #1. If you can afford to be patient, maybe it makes sense. But it does seem like an odd swap for the Pats to make.

 

[Brownfan80]

whats wrong with a 5"11 safety? Hes the best cover safety. but i agree..im dissapointed that we traded 28..could of at least gotten in 2nd round or early 3rd

Looking at SF's track record I'd say we'll all feel alot better about this come next years draft.

 

[TruthSeeker]

You're right they are just going through this draft making it up as they go along. Actually I heard they had a dart board with each players name on it, but they remove the good players names just to piss off the fans.

Traded the #3round pick to Oakland for next years #3, and a 7th this year. maybe we can trade that #7 for Doug Gabriel, lol. The lunacy continues. Why did we even show up to this draft ?

 

[groundgame]

...I don't agree with BB that the Patriots got good value with their trade. Sorry, there isn't anyone who can convince me of it. Not when Dallas was able to trade up from the 4th spot in the 2nd round for a 3rd and 5th round pick.

They got a decent deal in a Buyer's (SF) market.

 

[bagwell368]

Guys

pats have the best drafts since bill period. If they trade for SF's 1st next year in a stronger draft with probably a better pick then #28, and get a 4th too boot?

and trade a 91st for what is probably the 66th or 67th next year, plus what 211 that he can flip tomorrow to move up a 4-5-6?

and whining about Merri? C'mon. Ever since Rodney got hurt, WR's roam through our secondary like they are on a picnic. U forget Rodney is the most fined player of all time, and that most people think he's nuts, dangerous and violent? I hope Merri follows in that fine tradition, it's good to have an assasin out there, what is this patty-cake?

hey, i thought it was boring being tied to the media all day for not much action, but, when has bill let us down?

 

[braveht]

BB doesn't value early LB's. Never has, and probably never will.

LB, esp. ILB, in the Pats' 3-4 takes a few years to develop. It is too expensive to squander 1st day picks for a LB (or any non-QB) who will not contribute for 2-3 years. We prefer to let others train them thru their rookie contracts and pick them up after they're seasoned: Rosy, Vrabel, AD. We spend some cheap money(i.e. late draft choices) to get special team bodies and depth.

RBs, OL, CBs and S's come out of college able to contribute and maybe start in year one. LBs don't in our system; even some 4-3 vets can't grasp it , eg, Beisel, Chad Brown.

 

[pats1]

For those who need it:

 

[nickw308810]

I wasn't thrilled with this deal when I first saw it but when I started thinking about it I realize that as a fan's point of view it is dissapointing, but I can see how if you were in the Pats front office that it is a good value. Sure, I would have liked a 2nd or 3rd over the 4th, but if that is all you can get, it is all you can get. The 49ers will be improved next year, but still the chances are that it will be higher pick than #28. We still have 91 left, so I think everyone should stay optimistic. Meriweather was a great selection and my number 1 target all along. We got ourselves a player there.

 

[TruthSeeker]

That is HORSECRAP. I, and many others here, question and criticize moves by the Pats. You're getting killed on here b/c your gripes are not LEGIT. There's a difference.

Who says his gripes aren't legit ? That's your opinion, not fact.


The facts are, we have no clue whether the 49ers will be 3-13, or this years Saints. I'd lean towards the latter, due to excellent FA signings and good draft picks. They have a fine young QB going into his third year (and only 23), a runningback who was in the top 5 last year. They drafted Vernon Davis last year, a stud TE prospect, and now they get a killer ILB and a top notch tackle. I'd be shocked if the 49ers are worse than 8-8 in a somewhat weak, but up and coming division.

The fact is, to call next year's draft deeper than this years is bogus, there is no proof of that, and I haven't seen that said anywhere. Also, who says this years draft is weak ?

The way I see it, we wasted a chance to pick a top prospect. The prospects in the late 3rd round, and after are super long shots, 1st rounders usually have better odds to make the team.


Also, another fact, whether you take it as fact or not, I don't give a sh*t, but disagreeing with this trade doesn't make anyone LESS of a Pat's fan, we just disagree with it as a good move, period.