Maroney's banged-up shoulder... [merged]

[zippo59]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

If #1 RBs shouldn't have that expectation, then why draft them that high?

If the Pats drafted Kelly Jennings, CB Miami, Fla, who was productive in Seattle, or the guy I wanted, Manny Lawson, they might have won the SB. Maroney was a non-factor in the playoffs.

IMO, BB/Pioli were out of character in last year's draft. Or did any fan really believed that Maroney would be #1 and/or that they would trade a #2 and a #3 to draft CJ in the 2nd?

If we had drafted Jennings or Lawson that would have been trading one weakness for another. We would be going into this year with out a clear starting running back. And I don't think one rookie defensive player would have made the difference in the Colts game. Yeah Maroney was hurt for the playoffs, but are you really going to fault Pioli and Belichick for that? Furthermore, are you really going to fault Maroney long-term for him being injured in the playoffs? I think it was a pretty damn good idea to draft Maroney when we still had Dillon so he didn't have to come right in and be the guy. Now Dillon is gone and we have Maroney to ease into the starting role. Makes sense to me.

 

[patsox23]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Maroney had a poor post-season - and now we know, at least partly, WHY he had a poor post-season. But if your contention hinges on the absurd notion that the guy "wasn't productive" in 2006, I think you're pretty much F-ed. Was it the best rookie RB season ever? Not even close. Was he "unproductive?" Also NOT EVEN CLOSE.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Because they got injured? Don't highly drafted players at other positions ever get hurt? Let's ask David Pollack, or maybe Andy Katzenmoyer. Or heck, Ben Roethlisberger could tell us something about it from the QB's perspective.

RBs and WRs are more succeptable to injury than at other positions. RBs don't ususally last long.

Manny Lawson might have been the right pick, and someday we'll look back with perfect hindsight and know. But a terrific start to the season followed by some nasty injuries doesn't make for a bad-judgment draft pick.

I just posted before reading yours. Lawson was my pre-draft favorite.

(Though I agree on round 1 WRs for other reasons. But round 2 for Jackson looked just fine at the time, we'll just have to see.)

I admit it did look fine for a #2, but then again, WR is the most difficult position to transition from NCAA to the NFL. Rookies really struggle.

I'm from the school that defense wins championships and that skill players must be found and devloped at a lower cost.

BTW, nice objective post. Kudos.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Maroney had a poor post-season - and now we know, at least partly, WHY he had a poor post-season. But if your contention hinges on the absurd notion that the guy "wasn't productive" in 2006, I think you're pretty much F-ed. Was it the best rookie RB season ever? Not even close. Was he "unproductive?" Also NOT EVEN CLOSE.

I'm sorry he really produced when needed the most.

 

[zippo59]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

RBs and WRs are more succeptable to injury than at other positions. RBs don't ususally last long.

Apparently by "long" you mean about four months because that's what it sounds like you're saying.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

If we had drafted Jennings or Lawson that would have been trading one weakness for another. We would be going into this year with out a clear starting running back. And I don't think one rookie defensive player would have made the difference in the Colts game. Yeah Maroney was hurt for the playoffs, but are you really going to fault Pioli and Belichick for that? Furthermore, are you really going to fault Maroney long-term for him being injured in the playoffs? I think it was a pretty damn good idea to draft Maroney when we still had Dillon so he didn't have to come right in and be the guy. Now Dillon is gone and we have Maroney to ease into the starting role. Makes sense to me.

We could have drafted Jerious Norwood or MJD in the second. Don't need to draft a RB in the 1st round.

Maroney will "ease" as long as he doesn't get injured from a full workload, a burden he didn't have in 2006.

 

[BPF]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

I don't believe it's anything serious and I agree with PFT story below. Let's hope it's not a torn roator cuff and if it is that tendon damage is limited and not a 3 or 4 tendon injury. Every other type of shoulder injury is a quick recovery of 2-6 months with the exception of this, which could take as long as 1 year but this is more common with overhand athletes not RB's. If he had the surgery in late January or early February he should be back in time for training camp. The story is working out for Tomase though. It's created some noise for him and the paper he works for, which is the intention.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

MARONEY HAD "FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE" IN SHOULDER

John Tomase of the Boston Herald reports that Patriots running back Laurence Maroney's shoulder revealed "fairly significant damage" during offseason surgery.

There presently are no details regarding the specific nature of the injury, and the long-term prognosis is unclear.

With that said, we doubt that the Pats would have released Corey Dillon if they feared that Mauroney, a first-round pick in 2006, would not be available this year.

The Pats signed Sammy Morris from the Fins earlier this month, and they also have veteran Kevin Faulk on the roster.

 

[zippo59]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

We could have drafted Jerious Norwood or MJD in the second. Don't need to draft a RB in the 1st round.

Maroney will "ease" as long as he doesn't get injured from a full workload, a burden he didn't have in 2006.

Maybe, just maybe, Belichick and Pioli feel Maroney fits here better than Norwood or Drew. I'm inclined to trust them.

 

[patsox23]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

I'm sorry he really produced when needed the most.

That's really short-sighted and silly. I'm all for posting one's opinions, and divergence is important and positive. But Maroney played a huge part in getting this team to the playoffs, and helping drive the offense when the passing game was totally off-kilter. Give us a break with this stuff.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Apparently by "long" you mean about four months because that's what it sounds like you're saying.

No, I mean 3 seasons for the avg NFL RB. Lonegvity is the most important requirement for a RB.

So far Maroney couldn't hold up while sharing playing time with Dillon. Now coming off shoulder surgery, you expect him to hold up with a full season workload, against a tougher 2007 sechedule?

 

[bradmahn]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

RBs and WRs are more succeptable to injury than at other positions. RBs don't ususally last long.

If it was a matter of how much players of a certain position are injured, then the Pats should never even think of drafting a DB, what with all the injuries that the secondary has had in the last 3 years. ****, DL must be injury prone, too, I mean Seymour, Warren and Wilfork all missed time this past year. That's 100% of our starters. Wow, they're busts, too.

 

[JackBauer]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

If #1 RBs shouldn't have that expectation, then why draft them that high?

If the Pats drafted Kelly Jennings, CB Miami, Fla, who was productive in Seattle, or the guy I wanted, Manny Lawson, they might have won the SB. Maroney was a non-factor in the playoffs.

IMO, BB/Pioli were out of character in last year's draft. Or did any fan really believed that Maroney would be #1 and/or that they would trade a #2 and a #3 to draft CJ in the 2nd?

If they hadn't drafted Maroney, they probably wouldn't have even made the playoffs! Baseless speculation is fun! But I'm sure a 3rd CB would've really put them over the edge.

Seriously, just stop.

 

[denverpatsfan]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

John Stephens drafted in the 1st round 1988.

1,168 yards; 297 carries; 3.9 average; 4 TD's

LoMo

745 yards; 175 carries; 4.3 average; 6 TD's


Tough to make a comparison since Stephens was the feature RB. At least he could stay on the field for his entire rookie season.

Doesn't Maroney have alot more mileage on him compared to other RB's out of college?? Is that catching up with him now?

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

We could have drafted Jerious Norwood or MJD in the second. Don't need to draft a RB in the 1st round.

Based on that thinking we don't need to draft anyone in the first round, there's always good producers later.

When healthy, Maroney looked not just good but totally special. Fast and explosive, yet strong.

I'll take Lawrence in retrospect, thank you very much.

 

[JackBauer]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

I'm sorry he really produced when needed the most.

Because. He. Was. Injured.

You can't honestly be this dense...

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Maybe, just maybe, Belichick and Pioli feel Maroney fits here better than Norwood or Drew. I'm inclined to trust them.

If he was a "better fit" for our system, then why did they try to change the OL blocking scheme to "zone" in order to fit Maroney's style?

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Because. He. Was. Injured.

You can't honestly be this dense...

LOL.

The injury is good news, IMO, is tells us WHY Maroney went from looking special to looking average.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Because. He. Was. Injured.

You can't honestly be this dense...

Dense?

RBs are more succeptable to injury than any other position. This is the 3rd time I've said this. Other positions can handle injuries better than RB. RBs take a lot of pounding. That makes them too risky to draft in the 1st round. That's my point.

 

[JackBauer]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

LOL.

The injury is good news, IMO, is tells us WHY Maroney went from looking special to looking average.

You know, Seymour didn't produce when we needed it the most either. Steer clear of first round defensive lineman!

 

[JackBauer]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Dense?

RBs are more succeptable to injury than any other position. This is the 3rd time I've said this. Other positions can handle injuries better than RB. RBs take a lot of pounding. That makes them too risky to draft in the 1st round. That's my point.

You cannot be serious.