Logan Ryan possibly moving to safety?

[supafly]

Until camp starts, Guregian's article along with this thread can go into the trash, shortly followed by a lit match.

Thanks for your awesome contribution, VrabelJr.

It's the slow part of the offseason, so I thought I'd pass the article along and get some different perspectives on the matter.

You are certainly free to move past any thread that you don't deem as "worthy," or we can all just check in with you prior to starting any threads in the future.

In the meantime, resume combing the DeSean Jackson or Vince Wilfork threads for the 500th time this week.

 

[patsinthesnow]

BB does change his defensive philosophies based on personnel too.

Remember we played LCB and RCB for so long? Then Talib comes and that philosophy is thrown out the window, as he followed around the opponent's #1 option every game.

Would BB move away from LS and RS?

 

[Brady6]

I am definitely going to be watching the all-22 next season every week. It's great to see images like Brady6 posted there.

And I agree on the cover-1 looks. My recollections are certainly predominantly of McCourty deep and Gregory playing much shallower.

I see this as the continuing evolution of Belichick’s new defensive philosophy. He is no longer playing strong side/weak side he is trying to have versatility across the entire defense. This allows him to move between over and under fronts with the same personnel lining up on the same side.

If you look at 2012, it was Gregory at free safety, and Chung at strong safety as an enforcer, then he inserted McCourty and that is when it really became interchangeable. The same thing happen between 2011 and 2012 when Ninkovich moved up to left defensive end instead of playing a player like Deaderick there who was 300Lbs.

This allows him to do many things because his pieces are not tied to a specific role.

Jones/Ninkovich can both stand up or put their hand in the dirt, they can play as the strong side DE or the weak side DE and in multiple techniques.
Wilfork/Kelly can both play the 1Tech DT or 3Tech DT in a 4-3, and the 0Tech NT or 5Tech DE in a 3-4.
Hightower/Collins can both play either the WOLB or SOLB (SAM or WILL).

McCourty/Ryan will offer him that same type of ability.

 

[Fencer]

I think we're over-complicating all this. In BB's new system, there are two kinds of DB:

• Cornerback
• Rutgers

 

[mayoclinic]

I am definitely going to be watching the all-22 next season every week. It's great to see images like Brady6 posted there.

And I agree on the cover-1 looks. My recollections are certainly predominantly of McCourty deep and Gregory playing much shallower.

One of the things that Andy Benoit noted in his MMQB article is that more and more teams are lining up in Cover 2 pre-snap, but then dropping one safety down into a "robber" role covering an underneath zone, with a single high FS:

Most Teams are still showing a lot of two-deep looks, but upon the snap, they’re rotating to single-high concepts. One increasingly popular coverage this season has been single-high robber.

Post-snap coverage rotations can be highly effective because route combinations that work against a single-high coverage rarely work the same way against double-high coverage, and vice versa. And even if the offense identifies the coverage, there’s still value in the rotation process because movement by the defensive backs reshapes voids in the zones. The transforming looks can be a lot for the offense to process, making it harder for the quarterback to get the ball out quickly. This brings the four-man rush back into the equation.

All22PatsFan has mentioned that NE used Gregory in the robber role a fair amount this last year. I can't speak to the particular image that Brady6 posted above, but just because the Pats line up with 2 safeties deep doesn't mean that they are playing Cover 2 post-snap.

It will be fun to see all the options this year, but I doubt we will be doing a ton of "vanilla" Cover 2.

 

[VJCPatriot]

To me, it seems the reason BB is even entertaining this change is twofold:

1. With Revis and Browner at CB there are going to be limited snaps for other CBs. So guys lower on the depth chart such as Ryan might have to find snaps at safety/backup safety.

2. Outside of McCourty we really lack talent at the safety position. So even though we already have Harmon and Wilson, BB wants to create more depth at that position by trying to see if Logan Ryan can play it. Pats have converted CBs to S in the past, ala Eugene Wilson and of course Mccourty himself.

 

[Brady6]

BB does change his defensive philosophies based on personnel too.

Remember we played LCB and RCB for so long? Then Talib comes and that philosophy is thrown out the window, as he followed around the opponent's #1 option every game.

Would BB move away from LS and RS?

He already has, they did not play designated sides last season.

 

[patsinthesnow]

He already has, they did not play designated sides last season.

Thanks Brady6. Post more of these. When it comes to X's and O's I'm a beginner at best and learning about them is interesting.

 

[manxman2601]

Thanks Brady6. Post more of these. When it comes to X's and O's I'm a beginner at best and learning about them is interesting.

Agreed. Where are you getting them from?

 

[West Philly Patriot]

He already has, they did not play designated sides last season.

Yea good stuff B6. Some real meat and potatoes during the offseason.

 

[Froob]

The Patriots play mostly cover 2 man with a left and right safety; the safeties essentially do the same things.

That's what I thought. Nice pictures man in this posts and your others on the next page. Good finds.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Agreed. Where are you getting them from?

Possibly NFL Rewind. They have a cool coaches film view.







I posted these awhile ago. I screenshotted them and then drew arrows in paint, lol. One of my favorite defensive plays of the season. We actually blitzed Manning and he threw a duck right to Ryan, who knew! Good play by Ryan to press Decker too.

 

[captain stone]

He already has, they did not play designated sides last season.

This last photo, is it showing the 80-yard TD pass to Gordon?

 

[All22PatsFan]

This last photo, is it showing the 80-yard TD pass to Gordon?

Cover 0 with blitz

 

[All22PatsFan]

DMac is a stud, QBs are afraid to throw to him(only 18 targets last yr) range and closing speeds make it difficult for all QBs to throw it deep. He is great in the deep shells, espically as the center fielder or the single high safety.

Ryan fits the Cover 1 safety role really nicely, he is quick enough to be a robber and he can match up against TEs and WRs in the slot well, he is also decent against the run and proved to be an effective blitzer last year. In that role he has the chance to be a true playmaker. I think Harmon and Ryan will split snaps because Harmon is better in two deep safety looks.

Here are my Notes on Harmon
- Good tackler\hitter, He rarley misses and tackles low
- Fits 2 Deep safety role or cover 2 mold well
- Doesn't have the quickness of Ryan to play in a robber role
- Average Man coverage ability
- Provides decent run support
- He doesn't have great closing speeds but he gets to the ball on time
- Calm player
- Good at recognizing plays

Tavon Wilson has flashed ability, but he is to much of a risk an zone coverages to play him.

 

[Marqui]

Not surprised about this. Like I said in the other thread Ryan is a good tackler, he reads the QB well, and he has good hands. Has all the tools to convert SS.

 

[supafly]

Not surprised about this. Like I said in the other thread Ryan is a good tackler, he reads the QB well, and he has good hands. Has all the tools to convert SS.

Except the premise of the article posted is suggesting that Devin McCourty is the one that moves over, yet again--to play more of a SS role; and that Ryan takes McCourty's current role at FS.

As we know, they are many times when these roles aren't differentiated by those categories anyway, and are simply referred to as L/R instead, but the suggestion that McCourty move over to play more of a SS role is what surprised me the most.

 

[supafly]

This last photo, is it showing the 80-yard TD pass to Gordon?

Cover 0 with blitz

Has to be that play.

 

[Kontradiction]

This last photo, is it showing the 80-yard TD pass to Gordon?

Yeah that was the touchdown. As All22 noted, Talib didn't have any help and Gordon torched him on the slant. Ballsy playcall when you consider what Gordon had been doing to teams for three straight weeks up until that point.

 

[Marqui]

Except the premise of the article posted is suggesting that Devin McCourty is the one that moves over, yet again--to play more of a SS role; and that Ryan takes McCourty's current role at FS.

As we know, they are many times when these roles aren't differentiated by those categories anyway, and are simply referred to as L/R instead, but the suggestion that McCourty move over to play more of a SS role is what surprised me the most.

McCourty isn't moving to SS. That part of it is silly.