Do you think the Patriots will release Vince Wilfork?

[Brady6]

Did you see that constant pressure collapsing the pocket on Peyton in the playoffs? Neither did I.

Wilfork was either suffering from the ACL or something early, because Siliga isn't anywhere near the player Wilfork is.

Hopefully Siliga gets up to Kyle Love level at the nose.

I think Siliga surpassed Love on his tenth snap as member of the Patriots. The kid was straight balling at the end of last season, he was playing the one technique as good as any defensive tackle in the NFL.

 

[supafly]

No, unless he refuses to restructure his contract.

Despite his reputation as putting the team before individual players, Belichick has a sentimental streak and has kept long time Patriots like Troy Brown and Kevin Faulk on the team at least one year after they ceased being affective. Vince gets a pass if he will take a pay cut.

The Pats will ask him to take a cut, and if he refuses, then the Pats will release him. I hope he stays, but I don't want a bunch of our money taken up by an older vet.

I do not believe that they will be in a hurry to release Vince Wilfork--no.

I realize the salary implications and the lessened odds of him returning to his normal self, but I also think that there are more negative assumptions about him than there are positive ones. I sure as hell wouldn't bet against the guy myself. There's a reason they paid him top notch money to begin with, as he is a player who is worth keeping even if he only comes back to 80%. His knowledge of our system and intelligence is excellent, as is his leadership.

We'll have to see how they approach it, but I'm guessing that they'll wait another couple of months to see how he's progressing before doing much of anything. Just a guess.

 

[supafly]

I think Siliga surpassed Love on his tenth snap as member of the Patriots. The kid was straight balling at the end of last season, he was playing the one technique as good as any defensive tackle in the NFL.

I think Siliga was looking decent down the stretch as well. It's hard for me to get a good feel due to how lousy the run defense was prior to him playing though, as it was downright awful.

 

[RayClay]

I think Siliga surpassed Love on his tenth snap as member of the Patriots. The kid was straight balling at the end of last season, he was playing the one technique as good as any defensive tackle in the NFL.

He's as good a defensive tackle as there is in the NFL? You must think the front offices of Seattle, San Francisco and Denver are stupid then. They must have got to the Super Bowl by fluke.

 

[Triumph]

Assuming Wilfork recovers, NO.

Sure, he will be asked for some cap relief, but the Pats run defense was ranked 27th in the NFL last season largely because Wilfork wasnt there.

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[AzorianPats]

He's as good a defensive tackle as there is in the NFL? You must think the front offices of Seattle, San Francisco and Denver are stupid then. They must have got to the Super Bowl by fluke.

One teams trash is another's team treasure.

Siliga was playing good by the end. I think with a proper off season learning the playbook, and getting some technique down can only make him better. I'm not saying he can be an all pro in a few years, but I don't think you need that in a run stopping NT/DT anymore.

 

[AzorianPats]

I hope VW stays, but he's gotta restructure that deal.

I don't agree with Felger much time comes the Patriots, but he's absolutely right when he says there's no way the highest paid player in your defense is a run stopping NT, with little pass rush. Not in today's NFL. That money can be used better elsewhere.

I love Vince, he's been a great Patriot, and an awesome community guy, but not at that price.

 

[Marqui]

I hope VW stays, but he's gotta restructure that deal.

I don't agree with Felger much time comes the Patriots, but he's absolutely right when he says there's no way the highest paid player in your defense is a run stopping NT, with little pass rush. Not in today's NFL. That money can be used better elsewhere.

I love Vince, he's been a great Patriot, and an awesome community guy, but not at that price.

Seattle's highest paid defense player was a run stopping NT, and they just won the superbowl.

 

[Kontradiction]

I think they'll approach him about a restructure if Red Bryant's price tag is too high for their tastes. I think if Red Bryant is in the same neighborhood as the Pats front office, Wilfork will be released.

 

[AzorianPats]

Seattle's highest paid defense player was a run stopping NT, and they just won the superbowl.

You referring to Red Bryant? The guy they just cut?

 

[PatsDeb]

I think they will try to restructure, but if he won't play ball they will cut him.

 

[captain stone]

If by the 11th Wilfork's prognosis is a return to game-day activity more likely closer to the end
of the season (including POs) than to the beginning of it, then Bill must to the right thing
by the franchise and release him. If the opposite is true, and if Wilifork is willing to restructure
in such a way that he still keeps his money this year but the cap hit is spread over more years,
then he will stay. Unfortunately, none of us mortals has access to Wilfork's prognosis.

 

[RayClay]

One teams trash is another's team treasure.

Siliga was playing good by the end. I think with a proper off season learning the playbook, and getting some technique down can only make him better. I'm not saying he can be an all pro in a few years, but I don't think you need that in a run stopping NT/DT anymore.

I thought he played great. He's not an impact defensive tackle and we need one, then another in the next few years.

 

[Marqui]

You referring to Red Bryant? The guy they just cut?

Yes, the guy that was on their roster when they won the championship.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Yes, the guy that was on their roster when they won the championship.

Red Bryant was pretty good, and is the type of DE/DT hybrid that we've largely lacked since Seymour was traded (Seymour Lite, in his case). Hard to tell if he's declined in Seattle, since all we really know from his position on the depth chart is that he isn't as good as Mebane. Based on that, he was a pure cap casualty: they weren't going to pay a $3M roster bonus and take an $8M cap hit on someone who wasn't even their primary run stopper.

 

[AzorianPats]

Yes, the guy that was on their roster when they won the championship.

I think your proving my point here...

Seattle cut him because his salary was too much for a guy that needs to come out on passing downs. They are choosing to use that money on Bennett. Besides they have some tough decisions coming up in the near future with Wilson, Thomas and Sherman.

 

[AzorianPats]

I thought he played great. He's not an impact defensive tackle and we need one, then another in the next few years.

I mean if your telling me we have a chance to get another Seymour, or an Atkins, Suh or God forbid Watt I'm all for that, but those guys are high on demand by every team. Beside Atkins they go top 10-15 in the draft every year.

Now we use our guys to clog the gaps, and take on double teams. VW was terrific at it, but Siliga didn't seem to be that bad either, and he's worth much, much less.

Whatever they do with Vince, either restructure or a cut, the money saved should be put into either another pass rusher or DB.

 

[RayClay]

I mean if your telling me we have a chance to get another Seymour, or an Atkins, Suh or God forbid Watt I'm all for that, but those guys are high on demand by every team. Beside Atkins they go top 10-15 in the draft every year.

Now we use our guys to clog the gaps, and take on double teams. VW was terrific at it, but Siliga didn't seem to be that bad either, and he's worth much, much less.

Whatever they do with Vince, either restructure or a cut, the money saved should be put into either another pass rusher or DB.

Exactly. Where we draft it's hard to find these guys, which is why guys like Wilfork, Kelly or Red Bryant (if affordable) are needed to give us a few years to pull something off draft wise, or finding a Knighton.

If we can get Hageman, I would consider him to have impact potential.

The UDFAs that played last year played their hearts out, that's not the point. We can't settle for two not bad DTs year after year and expect Chandler Jones to have any chance to rush the passer. Vince used to tie up 2-3 guys and leave gaping holes. It happened to us when DTs overwhelmed Wendell. Solder was left with w choice and had to choose the middle, letting rushers waltz around the end.

I think Siliga could be a good rotational player and Chris Jones a good inside rusher, but we might find after a while they're not irreplaceable either.

Going from disastrous to adequate is not sufficient IMO.