How do you feel about the Patriots salary cap management in recent years?

[Brady6]

We are not the Raiders but I do not think we have been handling our cap as well in recent years.

Dead Money

2013
1. Raiders-$56,077,873
2. Jaguars-$42,549,248
3. Jets-$23,561,661
4. Chiefs-$19,210,278
5. Panthers-$18,751,824
6. Bills-$18,634,424
7. Cardinals-$18,548,488
8. Ravens-$17,539,275
9. Cowboys-$17,297,847
10. Patriots-$16,696,845
11. Browns-$15,225,153
12. Buccaneers-$15,115,208
13. Lions-$14,903,171
14. Falcons-$14,224,063
15. Eagles-$13,360,214
16. Titans-$13,087,216
17. Rams-$12,629,247
18. Chargers-$12,409,645
19. Dolphins-$12,320,126
20. Broncos-$11,873,857
21. Colts-$11,637,465
22. Steelers-$11,020,242
23. Giants-$9,201,353
24. Seahawks-$8,380,713
25. Texans-$6,880,285
26. Redskins-$6,805,286
27. Bears-$6,157,993
28. Bengals-$6,107,833
29. 49ers-$5,867,232
30. Saints-$5,732,888
31. Vikings-$5,196,210
32. Packers-$3,137,289
2014
1. Panthers-$12,240,241
2. Bills-$12,070,113
3. Cowboys-$11,809,439
4. Cardinals-$10,087,468
5. Raiders-$9,311,192
6. Patriots-$8,533,721
7. Chargers-$7,809,983
8. Browns-$7,194,157
9. Jaguars-$5,600,511
10. Dolphins-$4,942,896
11. Steelers-$4,552,933
12. Ravens-$4,422,216
13. Texans-$3,247,174
14. Falcons-$3,172,507
15. Titans-$2,449,725
16. 49ers-$1,934,689
17. Saints-$1,757,600
18. Lions-$1,537,793
19. Chiefs-$1,505,823
20. Bears-$1,476,671
21. Eagles-$1,348,343
22. Packers-$1,277,484
23. Broncos-$1,137,330
24. Bengals-$984,283
25. Seahawks-$907,367
26. Colts-$800,734
27. Giants-$403,141
28. Vikings-$333,163
29. Redskins-$155,233
30. Buccaneers-$139,119
31. Rams-$133,805
32. Jets-$48,958

 

[everlong]

Aaron Hernandez says hi.

 

[Brady6]

Aaron Hernandez says hi.

Hernandez was only responsible for $2,550,000 in 2013 according to over the cap.

 

[Patsrock]

Where did you get those numbers?


Patscap has them being
2013 $15,334,100
2014 $5,683,721 looks like the number you got doesn't have Lloyds and Fanene 1.5 and 1.35m credit

So Miguel has at 21,017,821 over 2 years

AH accounts for $11,276,800 of it. Leaving 9,741,021 over 2 years for all other players.

 

[varjao]

Kyle Arrington feels happiness.

 

[chasa]

How do i feel about the cap management, having the second youngest team in the league being within 2 games of going to 3 superbowls in a row? all despite losing an all pro tight end to a killing spree, and half the starting defense to injuries?

pretty ******* great.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Hernandez was only responsible for $2,550,000 in 2013 according to over the cap.

If you took out that $2,550,000 they would have ranked 14th in 2013 based on your chart -- pretty much the middle of the league -- and this thread wouldn't have been started.

 

[Patsrock]

If you took out that $2,550,000 they would have ranked 14th in 2013 based on your chart -- pretty much the middle of the league -- and this thread wouldn't have been started.

And if you take Miguel's dead money number and subtract AH. Pats would have a -1,816,219 in dead money. Making them 32 in dead money.

 

[Brady6]

Where did you get those numbers?


Patscap has them being
2013 $15,334,100
2014 $5,683,721 looks like the number you got doesn't have Lloyds and Fanene 1.5 and 1.35m credit

So Miguel has at 21,017,821 over 2 years

AH accounts for $11,276,800 of it. Leaving 9,741,021 over 2 years for all other players.

» Over the Cap- NFL Salary Cap Space 2013

http://overthecap.com/nfl-cap-space2.php?Year=2014

 

[Jackson 2]

Given what was largely unforeseen, spectacular.

 

[Brady6]

And if you take Miguel's dead money number and subtract AH. Pats would have a -1,816,219 in dead money. Making them 32 in dead money.

That all well and good but we still signed Hernandez just because he committed a deplorable act doesn’t change the fact that we signed him to the contract, it still counts as cap management.

 

[Patsrock]

» Over the Cap- NFL Salary Cap Space 2013

» Over the Cap- NFL Salary Cap Space 2013

They are missing the LLoyd and Fanene credits

2014 Salary Cap Breakdown ? Dead Money atriots Salary Cap

 

[Patsrock]

That all well and good but we still signed Hernandez just because he committed a deplorable act doesn’t change the fact that we signed him to the contract, it still counts as cap management.

And itdoesn't change the fact that no one at the time questioned the deal. NO ONE

 

[mayoclinic]

I think that everyone is feeling the squeeze from a relatively flat cap, which magnifies personnel decisions. The Pats have had a few long term deals which may have been a little questionable in retrospect. Hernandez is the obvious one, but it could certainly be argued that they overpaid for Logan Mankins and are paying for past rather than present performance. I personally think they overpaid for Steve Gregory and Dan Connolly, and especially for Kyle Arrington. But overall, compared to the rest of the league, they are pretty solid. There is risk anytime you give a player a multi-year deal, as it is difficult to foresee circumstances that far ahead.

 

[Brady6]

They are missing the LLoyd and Fanene credits

2014 Salary Cap Breakdown ? Dead Money atriots Salary Cap

The credits apply to 2014, so the 2013 dead money is accurate. I mean we have not even begun compiling dead money for 2014 yet so my focus is mainly on 2013.

 

[Patsrock]

The credits apply to 2014, so the 2013 dead money is accurate. I mean we have not even begun compiling dead money for 2014 yet so my focus is mainly on 2013.

Then why did you put 2014 on here?

 

[Brady6]

And itdoesn't change the fact that no one at the time questioned the deal. NO ONE

I never said differently. You are choosing to focus on Hernandez only but I see these hits on over the cap:

Brandon Lloyd-$3,500,000
Jonathan Fanene-$2,566,667
Chad Johnson-$1,583,334
Leon Washington-$1,200,000
Ras-I Dowling-$940,759
Daniel Fells-$333,333
Jabar Gaffney-$125,000
Spencer Larsen-$125,000
Lavelle Hawkins-$100,000
Total-$10,474,093

Those were all just bad decisions.

That aside I am not a cap expert, which is why I asked the question what you think of our management recently. I feel it has not been as tight as it has been in the past, if you disagree that is fine. I do not really want to get into a back and forth with excuses and “it is not their fault” conversation, because I understand all the circumstances and I still think it has been poor compared to the cap management during the 2000s. Tom Brady has bailed us out a lot, and people confuse that for excellent cap management but if he didn’t take the team first deals we would not be viewed in the same light.

 

[Brady6]

Then why did you put 2014 on here?

As a reference point because they still exist and the credit is great but let’s be realistic Sopoaga and Wilson will eat more than half of it on that credit on their own.

 

[JackBauer]

That all well and good but we still signed Hernandez just because he committed a deplorable act doesn’t change the fact that we signed him to the contract, it still counts as cap management.

Haha, give me a break.

 

[Brady6]

If you took out that $2,550,000 they would have ranked 14th in 2013 based on your chart -- pretty much the middle of the league -- and this thread wouldn't have been started.

Yeah because having 18 team’s in front of you is the gold standard for a great job...

I opened the thread to ask a question and hear other people’s opinions, not to have my list critiqued.

Suggestion for all, before you take a shot at others opinions at least has the fortitude to outline your own opinion. Not doing so is the weakest form of posting.