Miguel Makes Some Projections: players to be re-signed with low salary cap impact

[nabwong]

I'd be a little surprised at re-signing both of these as it leaves little room to upgrrade a position that we need to upgrade badly. I'm not sure we'd resign Mulligan, the least versatile of the two.

Agree with this. Chandler is a free agent right? I'd rather we sign him if the money is right.

 

[ATippett56]

So the conclusion seems to be that both Edelman and Talib cannot be afforded. That truly sucks. I don't want to see Edelman go; in fact, I'd choose him over Talib if it came to that. Is there not a reasonable scenario under which both can be signed?

I disagree with the premise.

The New England Patriots are a football team not a retirement community. The following geriatrics need to go:

Adrian Wilson, 34 years old
Tommy Kelly, 33 years old
Isaac Sopoaga, 32 years old

The salary cap savings amounts to roughly $6 million.

Provide a three year contract extension to Stephen Gostkowski. Convert $2 million of his base salary to a signing bonus. The salary cap savings amount to $1.5 million for the 2014 NFL Season.

Thru three salary cap casualties and one contract manipulation, the New England Patriots have the capability of generating $7.5 million in salary cap space.

 

[varjao]

Edelman leaving will be Woodhead part 2, in terms of feeling, not money, everybody knows we are gonna miss him badly.

But I'm already in acceptance stage, he's staying only if he really wants and give a big discount, which is not reasonable since will be probably his only shot at getting a big contract and he's not a kid and that makes me cry because if he's not a kid, at 27, what am I.

I think the guy to replace him is already in the house, Austin Collie, with basically the same reps I can expect a 600 yards season at least. But, let's not forget that Amendola needs to step up and maybe BB will go in this direction.

 

[mayoclinic]

I disagree with the premise.

The New England Patriots are a football team not a retirement community. The following geriatrics need to go:

Adrian Wilson, 34 years old
Tommy Kelly, 33 years old
Isaac Sopoaga, 32 years old

The salary cap savings amounts to roughly $6 million.

Provide a three year contract extension to Stephen Gostkowski. Convert $2 million of his base salary to a signing bonus. The salary cap savings amount to $1.5 million for the 2014 NFL Season.

Thru three salary cap casualties and one contract manipulation, the New England Patriots have the capability of generating $7.5 million in salary cap space.

I also disagree that all 3 cannot be re-signed (though I see Kelly as a candidate for restructuring). Matt Slater and Steve Gregory are also in contract years, and could be given extensions with a reduction in their overall 2014 cap number.

 

[JMC00]

My only real disagreement is here. I think Blount could get 4-5 million a year on the open market.

No one is giving him $4-5 million a year. That kind of money would make him one of top 10 highest paid RB, no-way he is getting that kind of money.

 

[SeanBruschi54]

If someone gives Blount more than 3.5 million a year that GM should be shot.

 

[JMC00]

Posted it in another thread but getting Mankins and Wilfork's cap numbers next year to half of what they are could free up $11 million.

 

[ATippett56]

I also disagree that all 3 cannot be re-signed (though I see Kelly as a candidate for restructuring).

Which three?

As for Tommy Kelly, a 33 year old defensive tackle recovering from ACL surgery is not worth a roster spot if that is difference between Edelman/Talib staying of leaving.

Matt Slater and Steve Gregory are also in contract years, and could be given extensions with a reduction in their overall 2014 cap number.

Matthew Slater's base salary is $1.2 million. The minimum salary for a veteran with 6 years experience is $730,000. Converting the difference in $470,000 base salary to a signing bonus would provide minimal salary cap savings.

Also, you really don't want to know what I think of Steve Gregory.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

I think the guy to replace him is already in the house, Austin Collie, with basically the same reps I can expect a 600 yards season at least. But, let's not forget that Amendola needs to step up and maybe BB will go in this direction.

collie to replace edelman? Based on what his 2009 numbers? If that's the case this team won't go anywhere near the the SB next year

 

[MassPats38]

I fear JE is gone if he tests the market again. This is the first year he has played a full season injury-wise, and on the average is good for about 12 games. With his punt returning and his receiving, I can see him commanding a higher price than the Pats will pay. I hope not, but I fear it will happen.

Talib will be an interesting case. First, does he like the Pats or is it PR? If so, he may accept a below market price and return. Second, what is the market for a Pro Bowl caliber corner who was injured and unavailable in the playoffs and for a chunk of two straight seasons? If he is around for 75% of the season, does he command 75% of what the elite corners earn? He is another guy good for about 12 games per season.

 

[ATippett56]

In a word, "no".

Obviously these situations are difficult to predict. Who would have predicted that we would have resigned Vollmer and Talib for what we did last year?

There are no more Tom Brady contracts to extend/restructure.

 

[ripatsfan91]

You forgot there exists a fat blowhard in New Jersey who knows nothing about offense except "Ground and Pound" or is it "Pound and Ground"?

I think you are confused... I think its the pilot, Captain Rex, "grounding and pounding" the Jet repeatedly

 

[ATippett56]

collie to replace edelman? Based on what his 2009 numbers? If that's the case this team won't go anywhere near the the SB next year

Collie to replace Edelman?

Yeah, that's a joke.

 

[mayoclinic]

Also, you really don't want to know what I think of Steve Gregory.

It doesn't matter what you or I think of him, it only matters what BB thinks and whether there is a reasonable alternative. FWIW, my personal opinion is that he's fine as a rotational guy but weak as a starter, and definitely not worth his $3.3M cap hit. But it is better to cut him and look for a replacement, or extend him and lower his annual value and keep him as part of a rotation? My guess is that BB values him more than you do, but it's just a guess.

 

[ATippett56]

Talib will be an interesting case. First, does he like the Pats or is it PR? If so, he may accept a below market price and return. Second, what is the market for a Pro Bowl caliber corner who was injured and unavailable in the playoffs and for a chunk of two straight seasons? If he is around for 75% of the season, does he command 75% of what the elite corners earn? He is another guy good for about 12 games per season.

Would you rather risk drafting another Glass-IR Dowling?

 

[varjao]

collie to replace edelman? Based on what his 2009 numbers? If that's the case this team won't go anywhere near the the SB next year

They're not going to the SB with only Edelman either, it needs a well balanced offense and in this case I think he can produce, he did the catches when he was required.

People forget Edelman was a JAG until this year, I always had hopes for him though and I want him to stay even if that means sacrifice Talib.

But if you need a slot receiver to replace Edelman who replaced Welker, at this moment, based on what I've seen this season, why not Collie? I really don't know what expect from Amendola.

 

[ATippett56]

It doesn't matter what you or I think of him, it only matters what BB thinks and whether there is a reasonable alternative. FWIW, my personal opinion is that he's fine as a rotational guy but weak as a starter, and definitely not worth his $3.3M cap hit. But it is better to cut him and look for a replacement, or extend him and lower his annual value and keep him as part of a rotation? My guess is that BB values him more than you do, but it's just a guess.

Gregory is on the wrong side of 30, so extending him does not make sense, unless you want to start piling up the dead money totals somewhere down the line.

If the New England Patriots cut Steve Gregory, will Tom Jackson launch another "they hate their coach" tirade? Lawyer would sure like to know and so would the Buffalo Bills.

 

[mgteich]

I would simply not do anything. Extending might work, moving 2014 cap money into 2016 dead money.

Gregory is worth the $3.3M for this year. He is a starting safety. Hopefully, Harmon will improve enough to take lots of Gregory's reps in 2014.

If Harmon and/or Wilson are not the long term solutions at safety, then we will acquire yet another safety, likely though the draft.

It doesn't matter what you or I think of him, it only matters what BB thinks and whether there is a reasonable alternative. FWIW, my personal opinion is that he's fine as a rotational guy but weak as a starter, and definitely not worth his $3.3M cap hit. But it is better to cut him and look for a replacement, or extend him and lower his annual value and keep him as part of a rotation? My guess is that BB values him more than you do, but it's just a guess.

 

[MassPats38]

Would you rather risk drafting another Glass-IR Dowling?

I want Talib back, and wasn't suggesting they not bring him back. But the Pats won't overpay, so if he is looking for a max return then I believe he will be playing elsewhere next season. I hope not.

 

[ATippett56]

I want Talib back, and wasn't suggesting they not bring him back. But the Pats won't overpay, so if he is looking for a max return then I believe he will be playing elsewhere next season. I hope not.

If Talib is not re-signed, I guess there is the last resort:

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