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The Senior Bowl Thread

Grasu didn't declare, and isn't in the 2014 draft.

The height issue plays in to the flexibility one. The taller you are, the more lower body flexibility you have to have to be effective. Take away that flexibility and you're "forward heavy" as a center. With that said, Mike Pouncey was 6'5" and Maurkice Pouncey 6' 4 1/2", and both are obviously very good centers. But I tend to look for guys more like Alex Mack (6' 3 7/8"), Travis Frederick (6' 3 5/8"), Eric Woods (6' 3 7/8") and Ryan Kalil (6' 2 6/8").

1 or 2 inches in height isn't going to make much difference, plenty of guys on the interior are 6'5 and do just fine, and you'll find guys shorter who fail, the key is whether they get the proper training/treatment do develop their coordination/flexibility/strength. Without knowing what the Pats do in this regard makes it a lot more of a gamble as the guy will need polishing.
 
South practice notes from Rob Rang:

2014 Senior Bowl: 10 observations from Monday's South practice - CBSSports.com

Noteable among them:

5. As impressive [Tennessee OT Ju'Wuan] James was, arguably the most impressive offensive lineman of the day was North Dakota State's Billy Turner, who possesses a very similar build at 6-foot-5, 316 pounds. Unlike James, Turner struggles a bit with leverage, bending at the waist rather than the knees but he has strong hands and is a good athlete who projects as a quality NFL starter with a little refinement. His upside could push Turner into the top 100 picks, if he isn't there already.

10. Of the linebackers, I was most impressed with BYU's Kyle Van Noy, who frequently is lauded for his ability at the line of scrimmage but showed off his fluidity and instincts in coverage by closing quickly to bat away multliple passes.
 
North practice notes from Dane Brugler:

2014 Senior Bowl: 10 observations from Monday's North practice - CBSSports.com

Of particular interest:

1. DT Aaron Donald was an unstoppable force on Monday. Like his play all season, the Pitt defensive tackle was extremely quick in drills and was relentless from snap to whistle. His burst and anticipation off the snap and active energy to fight through and around blocks make him tough for any blocker to handle. Donald repeatedly victimized Baylor OG Cyril Richardson at practice, winning with leverage, hustle and fluidity that Richardson has likely never seen before on the football field. Donald's skill-set is ideal for one-on-one drills so he should shine, but the NFL team that drafts him will get a really good football player.

6. Linenwood CB Pierre Desir and Nebraska CB Stanley Jean-Baptiste are both tall, long defensive backs who have the athleticism to turn and run with receivers downfield. They both did a nice job in press-man to get physical at the line of scrimmage and then ride the receiver through the route, although both got away with a little too much holding. Neither are elite when controlling their start/stop momentum, but neither are allergic to contact either. And with several teams who utilize press-man techniques on defense looking for the next Richard Sherman, both Desir and Jean-Baptiste are players to watch this week.

8. Louisiana Tech DT Justin Ellis picked up right where he left off last week at the Shrine Game, using his quickness and snap anticipation to surge past blockers before they were in a stance. He is a quick thinker and reacts well to what the blocker wants to do, either attacking with pure momentum or using a spin or sidestep move to get past him. Ellis, who weighed nine pounds lighter from the Shrine Game weigh-ins, has helped himself as much as anyone the past two weeks and shouldn't last long on the draft's third day.

10. Yes, he plays on the South squad and this is a North practice review, but I feel compelled to mention North Dakota State OL Billy Turner. He lined up at guard and tackle during practice and showed off his quick feet, upper body strength and mean punch to handle rushers. If Turner can learn to consistently sink his hips and not bend so much at the waist, I truly believe there are several Pro Bowls in his future.

Wow. When the guy commenting on the North squad singles out a guy on the South squad ... here's hoping Billy Turner tweaks something minor which keeps him out of the rest of the week. He's been on my hot list for 6 months (and Manx's, too), but he's not likely to last.
 
Aaron Colvin has been getting rave reviews on day one. a 6' press corner makes him interesting from a Pats perspective. Currently slated to go in the 3rd round.
 
Some interesting comments from Tony Pauline.


Aaron Donald DL Pittsburgh

Mon: WOW! Unstoppable all day. Looked good in weigh-ins despite his size deficiency, showing a strong physique and powerful lower body. Beat blockers all day with power, quickness, finesse and athleticism. Big winner of the day.

DaQuan Jones DL Penn State

Mon: Looks the part but just doesn’t make many plays. Fires off the snap, plays with good pad level and displayed a powerful lower body but cannot get off blocks.

Marcus Smith DL Louisville

Mon: Flashed skill all day. Very athletic and easily moves around the field with speed. Fast off the edge and can bend at full speed. Struggles taking on blocks but did well standing up over tackle

Trent Murphy LB Stanford

Mon: Really liked the overall game Murphy showed today. He was able to hold the point out of a three point stance and never gave up an inch of room to opponents. Murphy also displayed a good deal of agility and easily moved about the field. In a nutshell he was stronger and more athletic than anyone thought.

And many more.



Senior Bowl: North Team Practice Page
 
Some interesting comments from Tony Pauline.

Senior Bowl: North Team Practice Page

Here's an interesting one:

Dontae Johnson DB North Carolina
6020 199 8 7/8 31 1/2

Mon:
Really had a terrific day. Looked good in man coverage and had a terrific all-around day. Dominated at times in man coverage. Displayed good ball skills, instinctive an shut down opponents all practice long.

Johnson was a guy I had in some of my mocks last year, before he decided to go back to school. He played with David Amerson at North Carolina St. 6'2" 199#, he played safety as a sophomore and then converted to boundary CB as a junior. He has good size, versatility, ball skills, and apparently can play man coverage. Another day 3 sleeper to keep an eye on.
 
Here's an interesting one:



Johnson was a guy I had in some of my mocks last year, before he decided to go back to school. He played with David Amerson at North Carolina St. 6'2" 199#, he played safety as a sophomore and then converted to boundary CB as a junior. He has good size, versatility, ball skills, and apparently can play man coverage. Another day 3 sleeper to keep an eye on.

I saw that one too. Have added him to my radar.
 
I saw that one too. Have added him to my radar.

He's been on mine for a while:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/13/959894-my-blueprint-pats.html (see OP)

That was 15 months ago, even before we traded for Aqib Talib. One of my better efforts - I had Jonathan Cooper (went 7th overall, ranked 35 at the time by NFLDraftScout), Ziggy Ansah (went 5th overall, ranked 77th), Tavon Austin (went 8th overall, ranked 49th), Chris Long (went 20th overall, not ranked at that time) and Sylvester Williams (went 28th overall, ranked 82nd). All have turned out to be solid players so far. Pretty good company for Johnson.
 
Scott Wright from NFLDraftCountdown on the North practice:

DT's Donald & Hageman Dominate

There wasn’t a more dominant interior presence in the entire country this past season than Pittsburgh DT Aaron Donald, who racked up 28.5 tackles for a loss and 11.0 sacks. Of course the problem with Donald is size, or rather a lack thereof. Those concerns will likely continue to weigh heavily on the minds of evaluators as Donald checked in at 6-0? and 288 pounds with the second shortest arms (31¾) amongst the defensive linemen. All that aside Donald continued to get the job done on the field, routinely disrupting in the backfield with his quickness and even making a potential first round pick like Baylor OG Cyril Richardson look silly at times. This is one of those instances where scouts may have to ignore the physical shortcomings and simply trust the tape. It’s difficult to imagine Donald sneaking into round one based on the size deficiency but his performance in Mobile thus far should go a long way toward securing him a spot on Day 2. If nothing else Donald is clearly beginning to separate himself from a similar type of player in Arizona St. DT Will Sutton. Not to be outdone was Minnesota DT Ra’Shede Hageman, who repeatedly wreaked havoc when single blocked. Let’s just say Miami (FL) OG Brandon Linder is going to be seeing Hageman in his nightmares for the foreseeable future. A former basketball standout and converted tight end, Hageman is one of the most freakish physical specimens in this class. An explosive athlete with rare size (6-6 and 318 pounds) who could project to either tackle or end in the pros depending on scheme, Hageman must continue to refine his technique (leverage) and be more consistent but he is already flashing first round talent in Mobile. Don’t be surprised if Hageman continues to generate buzz and shoots up draft boards as the week progresses. Could Hageman be this years version of Ziggy Ansah and emerge as a Top 10 possibility?

Extra Points:

Wisconsin ILB Chris Borland doesn’t have the ideal length that you look for at 5-11? and the second shortest arms (28?-inch) of any prospect in this game but he is a good football player who continually flashed and made a lot of plays in practice today...Nobody on either roster has bigger hands than Stanford DE Trent Murphy, who measured in with 10?-inch mitts and also garnered positive notice for his performance on the field...There are quite a few tall cover guys in this game, which reflects a trend that we are seeing in the NFL with teams like the Seahawks, and Nebraska CB Stanley Jean-Baptiste was among the most impressive. Jean-Baptise (6-2?, 215) appeared to be a little tight in the hips but was very physical and clearly more comfortable in press coverage than he was playing off. “SJB” also blocked a kick toward the end of practice...Louisiana Tech DT Justin Ellis (6-1?, 342) is an ascending prospect who received a Senior Bowl invitation following a strong week at the East / West Shrine Game and is continuing to open eyes in Mobile...Oregon WR Josh Huff doesn't get the type of attention that he deserves but he consistently displayed the quickness and savvy to get off the line and shake defenders in 1-on-1’s.

Monday's North Team Senior Bowl Practice Report, NFL Draft - DraftCountdown.com
 
Eric Galko on the South practice:

Wide Receivers / Tight Ends

- Jordan Matthews of Vanderbilt displayed the softest hands of the South receivers excluding a couple of drops ,which seemed to plague all the receivers in the group. However, he really struggled versus physical coverage and doesn’t seem to have the functional strength to fight through this at the NFL level.

- Arthur Lynch of Georgia had an impressive showing Monday as he lined up from a variety of spots on the field including the backfield as an H-back receiver. He’s a hands catcher with some “snatch and go” receiving ability and made tough grabs in traffic.


Offensive Line

- North Dakota State offensive tackle Billy Turner struggled with his leverage and blocking posture throughout the practice, but really stood out with his hand strength strike. At tackle, he displayed adequate foot speed but he’ll need to correct waist-bending issues.

Defensive Line

- Easily the standout performer along the defensive line, Arkansas’ Chris Smith not only looked the part in weigh ins, but excelled in all aspects of the practice. Smith has extreme suddenness out of his stance, plays comfortably with sink to his hips and understands how to utilize his 34” arms effectively to set the edge.

- Dee Ford from Auburn also showed off his twitchy skill set, but surprised with his ability to leverage inside hand placement and work through the base of his opponent. He’s a speed guy off the edge and continues to impress there; however, it’s his ability to vary his takeoff angles and set up opponents that stood out in his practice today.

- Arizona State’s Will Sutton didn’t look good carrying his extra weight through bag drills and had difficulty clearing his hips during rip technique drills, yet he was still the most active interior tackle during 9 on 7 drills and also impressed during pit drills. He absorbed first contact well and consistently forced his way to the heel line.


Linebackers

- The most impressive performer of the day was BYU’s Kyle Van Noy. The most naturally balanced and controlled athlete of the linebacker group, he was the leader in each drill on day one. With the change of direction, explosiveness in his transitions upfield, and the ball skills he possesses, he’s well on his way to being a leader on his Senior Bowl team, along with a potential Top 20 pick.

- Jeremiah Attaochu of Georgia Tech and Adrian Hubbard of Alabama looked a bit out of place at their positions today, but it’s clear they have the natural talent to work with. Attaochu will be best suited as a 3-4 rusher, and hopefully he gets that opportunity with the Jaguars running practice and utilizing that DE/OLB hybrid spot. As for Hubbard, he currently lacks an NFL position, but he’s a moldable talent that could fit in any defense, but will need ample time before he can consistently contribute.


Defensive Backs

- Utah cornerback Keith McGill started Senior Bowl week with an impressive Monday as he was one of the standouts from the morning weigh ins and then displayed impressive fluidity in coverage during practice. In press drills against the receivers, he sustains leverage through initial contact and uses his long arms to direct opponents at the line. During the team session, McGill was transitioning through off coverage well and showed impressive click and close ability to throws in front of him. The one surprising area he struggled in was catching the ball, especially considering his 10 ¼ hands.

- Oklahoma’s Aaron Colvin was the best cornerback on the field for the South today. He showed cat-quick feet in drills and snapped his hips exceptionally well in off coverage to break on sideline routes. Several scouts raved about his explosiveness out of breaks and his overall athleticism for the position.

Monday's South Team Senior Bowl Practice Report, NFL Draft - DraftCountdown.com
 
3 of my favorite prospects made headlines either for better or for worse today in Arthur Lynch (favorite post day 1 TE), Will Sutton (2nd favorite DT), and Dee Ford (one of my favorite pass-rushers who's ability translates well to the NFL IMO), pretty proud of myself haha, still early, but I had a knack for finding successful lower ranked prospects in the 2013 class too (McGloin, Lester, etc)
 
Wow. Just watching Tony Pauline and he says that he thinks Brent Urban could be a late first rounder if he has a good Senior Bowl.
 
Wow. Just watching Tony Pauline and he says that he thinks Brent Urban could be a late first rounder if he has a good Senior Bowl.

Pretty bold stuff. I like Urban and have mentioned him a few times, but that would be a huge rise.

FWIW, Draftinsider had Urban rated as a 2nd round pick a month or so ago:

Brent Urban - Virginia - 5Sr - 2nd (round)

Physically impressive lineman with potential as a two-gap end or defensive tackle. Big, dominant and developing. Comes with enormous upside.

?14 NFL Draft: Defensive Line Rankings
 
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