Is Caldwell done?

[Rob0729]

I'm ignoring facts?

Apparently YOU are unaware that the number of catches that a receiver has is partly a function of HOW MANY TIMES THE BALL IS THROWN TO HIM!

Either you are deliberately ignoring this, or you are too stupid to realize that Childress's 2 catches are a direct result of the fact that HE ONLY PLAYED IN ONE GAME!

I'm not ignoring the 61 catches. I'm saying he got the 61 catches (more than double his previous career high) BECAUSE HE WAS TOM BRADY'S PRIMARY RECEIVER.

You do realize that as Brady's primary WR, Caldwell dropped more balls in the AFC title game than he did in the entire regular season. That is pretty impressive for a primary WR.

 

[pats1]

I'm ignoring facts?

Apparently YOU are unaware that the number of catches that a receiver has is partly a function of HOW MANY TIMES THE BALL IS THROWN TO HIM!

Either you are deliberately ignoring this, or you are too stupid to realize that Childress's 2 catches are a direct result of the fact that HE ONLY PLAYED IN ONE GAME!

I'm not ignoring the 61 catches. I'm saying he got the 61 catches (more than double his previous career high) BECAUSE HE WAS TOM BRADY'S PRIMARY RECEIVER.

If you put Bam Childress in Reche Caldwell's position last year, does he have 61 catches?

Both were in camp. Which one made the roster over the other?

Would you rather have - and count on - Reche Caldwell or Bam Childress on your roster in 2007?

(Are we seriously trying to compare these guys?)

 

[SeanBruschi54]

I'm ignoring facts?

Apparently YOU are unaware that the number of catches that a receiver has is partly a function of HOW MANY TIMES THE BALL IS THROWN TO HIM!

Either you are deliberately ignoring this, or you are too stupid to realize that Childress's 2 catches are a direct result of the fact that HE ONLY PLAYED IN ONE GAME!

I'm not ignoring the 61 catches. I'm saying he got the 61 catches (more than double his previous career high) BECAUSE HE WAS TOM BRADY'S PRIMARY RECEIVER.

Uhh someone's not using their brain.

Everyone had a fair and equal shot to make that WR team last year. Hell Childress was on the team since day 1. Yet Jabar Gaffney signed in the middle of the season and played better than most to grab the other starting job.

Childress has to prove he's worthy of playing on the game days.

Think.

 

[pats1]

The fact of the matter is, Childress and Kight will go before Caldwell does. The $1,000,000 point is moot.

 

[solman]

Reche Caldwell wasn't cut by the Chargers.

Get your facts straight. He was a free agent.

And why was he a free agent?

Caldwell had a very bad case of the dropsies in San Diego, and that is how he was remembered in the week leading up to our divisional round playoff game.

Happily for us, Chargers fans now have several more recent drops to focus their attention on.

 

[solman]

Someone tell me what he didn't do last year that would justify cutting him with a very low cap hit.

This is the modern NFL. It doesn't matter what you did for the team last year.

All that matters is what will result in us putting the best possible team on the field.

If we have a better way to spend $1.9M than Caldwell then he either restructures, gets traded, or gets cut.

 

[Rob0729]

And why was he a free agent?

Caldwell had a very bad case of the dropsies in San Diego, and that is how he was remembered in the week leading up to our divisional round playoff game.

Happily for us, Chargers fans now have several more recent drops to focus their attention on.

And he dropped ONE PASS in the regular season this past year. Apparently, he was playing with greased hands. He had superior hands this season. Maybe it was the QB in San Diego.

 

[SeanBruschi54]

And why was he a free agent?

Caldwell had a very bad case of the dropsies in San Diego, and that is how he was remembered in the week leading up to our divisional round playoff game.

Happily for us, Chargers fans now have several more recent drops to focus their attention on.

He was a free agent because San Diego felt they had better receivers in McCardell, Parker and Jackson.

They were willing to not pay Caldwell in order to use that money somewhere else.

FYI San Diego's receivers dropped more balls than Reche did this year.

 

[SeanBruschi54]

And he dropped ONE PASS in the regular season this past year. Apparently, he was playing with greased hands. He had superior hands this season. Maybe it was the QB in San Diego.

Sure as hell wasnt Brees fault.

 

[PWRxWLF]

And why was he a free agent?

Caldwell had a very bad case of the dropsies in San Diego, and that is how he was remembered in the week leading up to our divisional round playoff game.

Happily for us, Chargers fans now have several more recent drops to focus their attention on.

Why was Stallworth a FA? Maybe because he is INCONSISTANT, INJURY PRONE, an UNDERACHIEVER. But wait, He's the savior in NE all of the sudden and deserves a position he hasnt even earned yet.

Why was Washington a FA? Maybe because he also is INJURY PRONE, INCONSISTANT, and an UNDERACHIEVER????

F**K CHARGERS FANS AND WHAT THEY THINK OF OUR RECEIVERS, and SHAME on you for just spouting off your opinion and bad mouthing a guy who did what Caldwell did for us last yr.

****, sometimes I am just absolutely ashamed of our fellow pats fans. Our fan base has got to be the most unsupportive, disloyal, ignorant fan base on the league. They all know some much about the pats but so little about football.

 

[Rob0729]

This is the modern NFL. It doesn't matter what you did for the team last year.

All that matters is what will result in us putting the best possible team on the field.

If we have a better way to spend $1.9M than Caldwell then he either restructures, gets traded, or gets cut.

You are right! This is the modern era. The modern era the market is that starters are getting paid $3 plus million a year. Caldwell is getting back up money.

I got a better idea than cutting or trading Caldwell to make the team better. It is keeping him. Right now as this team is constituted, we are better off with him on the team.

As for restructing him, why if we are well under the cap? Just to be asses? According to Miguel, we are $8.2 million under the cap with another $2.4 million coming back on the cap in June. Why would we ask Caldwell or anyone to restructure their deal when we essentially have over $10 million in cap space. If we have the cap room, Caldwell's contract is a non-issue no matter if he is overpaid or not.

 

[pats1]

And why was he a free agent?

Caldwell had a very bad case of the dropsies in San Diego, and that is how he was remembered in the week leading up to our divisional round playoff game.

Happily for us, Chargers fans now have several more recent drops to focus their attention on.

"Very bad case of the dropsies?"

I do remember DaBruinz using some stats to refute those claims.

He had an ACL injury in 2004. The Chargers didn't want to re-sign him, and they obviously paid for it (see: huge sideline catch against the Chargers, huge TD catch too.)

 

[pats1]

This is the modern NFL. It doesn't matter what you did for the team last year.

All that matters is what will result in us putting the best possible team on the field.

If we have a better way to spend $1.9M than Caldwell then he either restructures, gets traded, or gets cut.

Thank you!

Would you rather have Bam Childress or Reche Caldwell as the Pats' starting WR?

 

[solman]

So it is ok to pay back ups starter money when it suits your point.

It is OK to pay backups starter money when it is good for the team.

Paying Caldwell 1.9M LAST YEAR would have been a good idea, because we didn't have any better options.

This year we have a whole bunch more options. Given his limited playing time and talent, I don't seem him starting the season on our roster (unless he accepts less money).

Apparently, nobody in this forum is willing to bet that I am wrong.

 

[Rob0729]

And why was he a free agent?

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Why is Stallworth on his third team in three years? Why are the Patriots only giving both Stallworth and Washington one year deals?

Caldwell was not resigned because he was injury prone in San Diego and the Chargers had elevated Eric Parker to starter. Caldwell was looking for a place to start.

In hindsight, I think the Chargers would have thought twice about not trying to resign him. Caldwell outperformed all of the Chargers' WRs last year.

 

[jefmblrd]

I didn't care for the Caldwell signing last off season-he never showed much as a Charger, but I have to admit I really got to like him as the year progressed. It was pretty evident that Brady had some faith in him as he was a frequent target and made a number of key catches. He didn't come through in the clutch in the last game, but I see him back on the roster for this upcoming season and making a contribution. He may not get as many catches as last season, because Brady will have Stallworth and Welker to throw to as well, but he may have less problems getting open as well.

Having too many guys at one position in football usually works out due to injuries. I haven't heard of any time table for Chad Jackson's return from injury-not an uncommon thing with the Patriots, so another reason to keep him around. I also like the signing of Kelley Washington for the added depth.

 

[SeanBruschi54]

It is OK to pay backups starter money when it is good for the team.

Paying Caldwell 1.9M LAST YEAR would have been a good idea, because we didn't have any better options.

This year we have a whole bunch more options. Given his limited playing time and talent, I don't seem him starting the season on our roster (unless he accepts less money).

Apparently, nobody in this forum is willing to bet that I am wrong.

the only reason we have more options is because we signed/treded for more players. So if we didnt aquire anybody that figure would be ok with you?

I know your going to say yes.

That makes no sense. He has had a huge advantage working with Tom for a full year while veryone else we have aquired has not and you want to cut him and or throw him away because of that low number.

Bad PR move and VERY BAD team move.

 

[solman]

So, what do you want to pay Morris? $5 mil. a year? 6?

I want to pay him as little as possible.

DUH.

The way you win championships is by paying people less money than the fair market value of their talent. Whoever underpays the most, wins.

 

[hwc]

Apparently, nobody in this forum is willing to bet that I am wrong.

I am. I'll take "Caldwell makes the opening day roster" for a Patriots hat or $20.

We'll call injured reserve a wash and just nullify the wager. How do you propose to handle a trade, as that would be a rather ambiguous result.

 

[pats1]

It is OK to pay backups starter money when it is good for the team.

Paying Caldwell 1.9M LAST YEAR would have been a good idea, because we didn't have any better options.

This year we have a whole bunch more options. Given his limited playing time and talent, I don't seem him starting the season on our roster (unless he accepts less money).

Apparently, nobody in this forum is willing to bet that I am wrong.

We're not going to play your stupid little betting games. "Real fans" don't have to use football as an excuse for gambling.

And essentially, NOTHING has changed since 2006! Caldwell will go into camp as a starter. If he somehow loses to Washington, then fine. He's one damn nice #4 WR. And the Pats have shown in times past - see Faulk, Green - that they're willing to pay those types of players what they'd be worth as starters.