Praise for Julian Edelman

[Double TE]

What about Riley Cooper (he is racist but he'll conform) and Kenny Britt? Maybe that Patriot way can get him going?

Not a terrible crew - Dobson, Thompkins, Amendola, Britt and Cooper and if Britt is bleh then we still have Boyce.

This is a Plan B if Edelman leaves.

 

[Bhelmet]

Edelman can get $4+ million for three or four years. Here's his market: Slot Receivers: The Closers of the NFL | jamsportz

Welker $6M/year
Colston: $7.26M /year
Amendola $5.54M/year
Manningham $3.65/year

Edelman has 1 year of elite production and is just 27 years old so he's got youth on his side. The Patriots know that read-and-react receivers are hard to come by, so they'll be competitive but won't break the bank. $10M/year invested in the slot position is way out of line.

My guess is someone else will overpay and he will leave.

Julian will make good money, but it WILL NOT be just thrown at him. He has shown fragility while here and this is his first injury-free (knock on wood) season. He will compare well to those guys and better than most, if not all. I could see the Pats paying him that much (Welker/Colston) - with a heavily incentive-driven contract. He will get some nice guaranteed money, but who wants to put $7-$8M/yr into a guy with his injury history? Yes, some team may, but if they are willing to risk it - more power to Julian. I want him here, but like Welker, I am not willing to overpay for him. Thankfully, neither will those who ACTUALLY make the decisions.

 

[Bhelmet]

What about Riley Cooper (he is racist but he'll conform) and Kenny Britt? Maybe that Patriot way can get him going?

Not a terrible crew - Dobson, Thompkins, Amendola, Britt and Cooper and if Britt is bleh then we still have Boyce.

This is a Plan B if Edelman leaves.

Granted he'll basically be a rookie, but I would like to see if Moe can contribute positively. I would never expect him to replace Edelman (should he depart) next season by any means, but I hope this guy can make the roster and show some promise.

 

[Double TE]

Here are the top 5 FA receivers IMO:

#1) Decker
#2) Nicks
#3) Maclin
#4) Edelman
#5) James Jones

Cooper, Britt, Jacoby Jones, Golden Tate, etc. are a notch below.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Edelman can get $4+ million for three or four years. Here's his market: Slot Receivers: The Closers of the NFL | jamsportz

Welker $6M/year
Colston: $7.26M /year
Amendola $5.54M/year
Manningham $3.65/year

Edelman has 1 year of elite production and is just 27 years old so he's got youth on his side. The Patriots know that read-and-react receivers are hard to come by, so they'll be competitive but won't break the bank. $10M/year invested in the slot position is way out of line.

My guess is someone else will overpay and he will leave.

FWIW, they can cut Amendola after 2014 w/o messing up the cap too much.

And one other interesting note is that, unless things have changed, Minitron's agent is also TFB's agent.

 

[Double TE]

FWIW, they can cut Amendola after 2014 w/o messing up the cap too much.

And one other interesting note is that, unless things have changed, Minitron's agent is also TFB's agent.

I KNEW IT!!! Brady restructured his deal so that JE could get paid more not butter hands WW.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

FWIW, they can cut Amendola after 2014 w/o messing up the cap too much.

And one other interesting note is that, unless things have changed, Minitron's agent is also TFB's agent.

I could see people wanting to cut Danny and keep JE but amendola so far has 1 more full healthy season under his belt than Edelman. I would love to keep JE and dola.

 

[PatsChamp88]

Here are the top 5 FA receivers IMO:

#1) Decker
#2) Nicks
#3) Maclin
#4) Edelman
#5) James Jones

Cooper, Britt, Jacoby Jones, Golden Tate, etc. are a notch below.

Don't see how Nicks or Maclin are listed above Edelman

 

[PatsChamp88]

I just hope Josh McDaniels doesn't go to the Browns and they sign Edelman but it could very well happen.

 

[supafly]

Don't see how Nicks or Maclin are listed above Edelman

Is this a serious question?

Outside, deeper threats with more experience and proven production are always going to demand more attention than even the best slot receiver, let alone a guy who is still raw and attempting to grow.

On top of that, they didn't have one good year in a system that saw their poor QB have no other choice but to force them the ball due to a lack of any other realistic target.

 

[supafly]

I could see people wanting to cut Danny and keep JE but amendola so far has 1 more full healthy season under his belt than Edelman. I would love to keep JE and dola.

The decision to cut Danny Amendola couldn't be made until a good year from now, therefore it wouldn't have much bearing whatsoever on the situation of Julian Edelman and his 2014 status.

On top of that Danny Amendola is probably better talent-wise in a handful of categories. If worst comes to worst, it's possible that Amendola will have to take a pay cut, but it's not like he'll have any other choice. Who else is going to pay him that much money? He'll have to stay here if he has 1/2 a brain.

 

[PATRlOT]

I'd rather trade Amendola than let Edelman go

 

[ctpatsfan77]

On top of that, they didn't have one good year in a system that saw their poor QB have no other choice but to force them the ball due to a lack of any other realistic target.

To be fair, though, that's still a lower percentage (though not by much) than the percentage of passes that went Welker's way in 2012.

 

[supafly]

Here are the top 5 FA receivers IMO:

#1) Decker
#2) Nicks
#3) Maclin
#4) Edelman
#5) James Jones

Cooper, Britt, Jacoby Jones, Golden Tate, etc. are a notch below.

Talent-wise overall, I'd think that you're pretty close in your assessment, but someone like Jeremy Maclin may be forced to take a one year, prove it deal since he's coming off of a major ACL injury. Even Nicks is coming off of a terrible year, so his market will be down a bit too.

I'd love to take a shot on more reasonably priced guys like James Jones, Emmanuel Sanders, or (if the money is right) even a shot at Jeremy Maclin on a one year deal. Guys like Golden Tate, and Jacoby Jones would be fine too, although I really don't see anyone warranting more than about 7.5--8 million dollars a year, and that's Decker.

 

[supafly]

To be fair, though, that's still a lower percentage (though not by much) than the percentage of passes that went Welker's way in 2012.

I'm not sure that it's totally fair to compare our old 2 TE system with Welker in the slot to that of our 2013 offense.

You certainly have a fair point statistically, but judging by the old eye test, I think we can safely say that no one is going to expect Julian Edelman to have this kind of production in our system in a "normal" year where there aren't 3 rookie WR's, a star TE in jail, a 3rd down RB who has seen a ton of targets after missing 10 weeks, and a star TE who barely plays in about 1/3 of the total games including the postseason.

This 2013 season saw Tom Brady trusting the guy who he did offseason workouts and attempted to develop a better rapport with, and that was great. In other words, Edelman had an awesome overachieving season, but the reality is also that he was the lesser of all evils available.

 

[supafly]

I'd rather trade Amendola than let Edelman go

I don't think it'd be the best time to attempt to trade Amendola, do you? The market wouldn't exactly be right in attempting to gain reasonable compensation, would it?

Last year would have been a bit different, but this year we were forced to use him in a bit of a different way under the circumstances.

I think we're all smart enough to realize that if Belichick and McDaniels wanted to showcase Amendola in the slot and give him a 150+ targets, he'd likely do pretty well just the same as Julian Edelman. Amendola's blocking and physicality is about 10x better than Julian Edelman's is, so I'm guessing that someone noticed that early on in the process. After all, something happened from game #1 on when he put the team on his back and carried them to a week one, unless those 3 missed weeks just ruined all chemistry between he and Brady (which I'm not sure I fully believe).

This season was a year about making do with what we had, and that certainly wasn't much. I'm not sure if we can walk away taking too much from it, aside from the fact that Edelman rose to the occasion when asked. I'm not worried about Amendola, unless you're talking of injury concerns--and that would be the exact same for Edelman too.

 

[Wheelman]

Competition fuels Julian Edelman's fire - ESPN Boston

Great read!

 

[I am party]

Competition fuels Julian Edelman's fire - ESPN Boston

Great read!

The receiver was running at half speed.

The quarterback, Julian Edelman, simply could not stomach that.

Edelman had warned his Kent State teammate before. Run precise routes. Don't go through the motions. Do your job, even though the team had nothing left to play for but pride.

"But the kid just wasn't listening,'' former Kent State coach Doug Martin said.

The receiver was tired of Edelman riding him. He tuned out the diminutive QB, the know-it-all perfectionist who challenged coaches, baited teammates, kept pushing, pushing, pushing everyone to the brink.

....

The Kent State receiver was messing with the wrong undersized, underappreciated football player. So when Edelman launched a pass and the kid didn't make the extra effort to haul it in, the option quarterback sprinted downfield, pinned the receiver to the ground and pummeled him with a flurry of fists.

"It was a brawl,'' Martin said. "But that was Julian, the most fiercely competitive kid I've ever had.''

...

"I may have overreacted with that receiver at Kent State,'' Edelman said, "but I like to do things the right way. I was a fiery guy. I still am.''​

1) Who was the Kent State receiver that Edelman was grounding and pounding?

2) Is there footage of this?

 

[mgteich]

Amendola is scheduled to be paid $3M ($2M guaranteed). Are you suggesting that no other team would pay him $2M plus incentives if the patriots cut him after refusing a pay reduction?

We're talking about Lloyd here. There should be a market for Amendola if the team is foolish enough to cut him. He has no reason to accept a reduction in compensation. He is guaranteed $2M, plus another million when he is on the starting roster for the season.

On top of that Danny Amendola is probably better talent-wise in a handful of categories. If worst comes to worst, it's possible that Amendola will have to take a pay cut, but it's not like he'll have any other choice. Who else is going to pay him that much money? He'll have to stay here if he has 1/2 a brain.

 

[Bhelmet]

Love Edelman - keep him for less than $5M/yr - VERY heavily incentive laden - let him prove this year was no fluke injury-wise. More than $5M/yr - let him walk and be someone else's injury report.