Panthers fans concerned about big 4 on defense

[everlong]

my god, it's glorious.

That's one where if you're rooting for one team you're jumping around handing out high fives and if you're rooting for the other team you're pulling out your hair screaming are you F'in kidding me.

 

[DoubleTrouble]

Here is where Carolina is in trouble, though the light defensive tackles may not be stout against the run.. Cam's athleticism categorizes him as a running quarterback which bodes well for Chris Jones and Joe Vellano who are light but quick, fast and good pass rushers.. Plus Rob Ninkovich will be playing spy to keep him in the pocket. And people forget that the way New England creates pressure is by collapsing the pocket all around in all directions, kind of like a trap.

Tolbert and Stewart and really Cam outside of a very rare run these days.....are all power runners. None of them try to run away our around anyone.

Newton for the most part runs on called runs (and those are generally short yardage power runs). That's about it. Outside of that, he doesn't really take off at a higher rate than anyone (he just can find more success when he does).

 

[jmt57]

Matt Chatham has a column on the challenges facing Belichick and the Patriots in preparing a game plan for Cam Newton and the Panthers:

Chatham : Newton-ian law exam | Boston Herald

If you’ve followed the Patriots over the years, you know schematically taking away the opponent’s best player is Bill Belichick’s modus operandi. The stat sheet says Steve Smith is technically the Panthers’ leading receiver, but their top four pass-catchers all have about the same level of production this season.

Their top tight end, Greg Olsen, can be a matchup challenge, but too often he’s miscast in a moving blocker role for the unique misdirection and option schemes that permeate the Carolina offense. DeAngelo Williams is a back with highlight ability, but unremarkable overall production.

The more you watch this Panthers offense, it becomes abundantly clear this thing is built around using Newton’s rare skill set to wait for defensive mistakes, so shutting down Smith may not mean much. And therein lies the problem when the quarterback is the most dangerous weapon — there’s very little schematically that you can do to “take away the quarterback” short of kicking the ball out of the center’s hand (I’m assuming that’s frowned upon).
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There's more to it, I thought the article was well worth taking a few minutes to read.

 

[Jase]

lol@ kicking the ball away from the center. good stuff.

 

[IllegalContact]

Here is where Carolina is in trouble, though the light defensive tackles may not be stout against the run.. Cam's athleticism categorizes him as a running quarterback which bodes well for Chris Jones and Joe Vellano who are light but quick, fast and good pass rushers.. Plus Rob Ninkovich will be playing spy to keep him in the pocket. And people forget that the way New England creates pressure is by collapsing the pocket all around in all directions, kind of like a trap.

Sopoaga will clog the middle

 

[shmessy]

I'd say the bigger story is on the other side of the ball where the underwhelming Pat's O-line hasn't been able to handle a D-Line's like the one the Panther's have. If they protect Brady the Pats will put up a bunch of points and Carolina won't be able to run the ball and the Pats win. Don't protect Brady and Carolina grinds the defense down and wins a close low scoring game.

Vereen is back this game.

Spread 'em out and carve, no huddle.

Important to get an early lead to force Carolina away from their run.

 

[BradyFTW!]

newton's soft.....he him a few times and ha can no longer make the throws

That is the opposite of true.

 

[DoubleTrouble]

Important to get an early lead to force Carolina away from their run.

Here is an interesting stat (granted you can say whatever you want about opponent quality but this is still the NFL)

First half of games - Carolina has allowed only 1 TD all season

First half of games - Carolina D has given up on average 4.4 points in the first half of games

 

[IllegalContact]

That is the opposite of true.

not really. the number of QB hits correlates with INT's thrown....and the phenomena is bimodal

just because he can take a hit and he's big doesn't mean it can't affect his game severely

soft is soft.....whether you rub your elbow or cough up a hairball

 

[IllegalContact]

Here is an interesting stat (granted you can say whatever you want about opponent quality but this is still the NFL)

First half of games - Carolina has allowed only 1 TD all season

First half of games - Carolina D has given up on average 4.4 points in the first half of games

this really means nothing

 

[DoubleTrouble]

this really means nothing

for someone suggesting the Patriots need to get out to early lead to dictate how the game plays....

it is very relevant to that discussion.

 

[everlong]

Vereen is back this game.

Spread 'em out and carve, no huddle.

Important to get an early lead to force Carolina away from their run.

I think I'd rather they stick to the run even if a lot of it is quick snapping after completions so that they can setup play action. Keep the Carolina LBs honoring the run. I think I'd also like to see them use the receivers and tight ends to chip the Panther's DEs to slow them down.

 

[IllegalContact]

for someone suggesting the Patriots need to get out to early lead to dictate how the game plays....

it is very relevant to that discussion.

except that the panthers haven't played the pats and to suggest that panthers success against mike glennon or matt cassel might somehow equate to what ill happen against tim brady is absurd

 

[DoubleTrouble]

except that the panthers haven't played the pats and to suggest that panthers success against mike glennon or matt cassel might somehow equate to what ill happen against tim brady is absurd

oh yeah, I forgot....55 points against the Steelers. Everything else now is thrown out the window. 55 points per game is what you now are.

We aren't just playing Tom Brady....Your OL vs. our DL for example? That matchup alone can dictate if Brady, Gronk, etc. even have opportunities or how many they get. So does our offense and their ability to keep him watching us from the sidelines etc.

If you think Brady is going to come in here and suddenly you are gonna see the 2007 Patriots again....well, you might want to put the left handed cigarette down.

 

[Huckleberry1]

This is simply one of the most wrong things that can be said.

Cam is one of the most unfazed QBs while under pressure in the league.

Per Profootballfocus:

Big mistake, citing PFF in this forum is like saying you have no idea what you are talking about. There is no sports based site that is more full of crap, it's 100% useless. The sad thing is that so many now resort to it as though it had any credibility whatsoever, which it doesn't.

 

[IllegalContact]

oh yeah, I forgot....55 points against the Steelers. Everything else now is thrown out the window. 55 points per game is what you now are.

We aren't just playing Tom Brady....Your OL vs. our DL for example? That matchup alone can dictate if Brady, Gronk, etc. even have opportunities or how many they get. So does our offense and their ability to keep him watching us from the sidelines etc.

If you think Brady is going to come in here and suddenly you are gonna see the 2007 Patriots again....well, you might want to put the left handed cigarette down.

that's because you're used to watching newton turn to crap after a few hits

panther opponents sack numbers:
giants (W) - 14
bucs (W) - 19
falcons (W) - 19
San Fran (W) - 20
minnesota (W) - 21
Arizona (L) - 26
Seattle (L) - 31
St. Louis (W) - 32
Buffalo (L) - 33

New England - 29

if you want to hang your hat on the Rams as some example of success under pressure, knock yourself out

but I'd say that newton has a tendency to wet himself

 

[DoubleTrouble]

that's because you're used to watching newton turn to crap after a few hits

panther opponents sack numbers:
giants (W) - 14
bucs (W) - 19
falcons (W) - 19
San Fran (W) - 20
minnesota (W) - 21
Arizona (L) - 26
Seattle (L) - 31
St. Louis (W) - 32
Buffalo (L) - 33

New England - 29

if you want to hang your hat on the Rams as some example of success under pressure, knock yourself out

but I'd say that newton has a tendency to wet himself

why don't you find some pressure stats....

pure sack numbers doesn't tell the story you are trying to paint...sacks reflect sacks. More to pressure than that.

again, Newton has been one of the best passers in the NFL this season when pressured....statistically his has been the 3rd best.

 

[IllegalContact]

why don't you find some pressure stats....

pure sack numbers doesn't tell the story you are trying to paint...sacks reflect sacks. More to pressure than that.

again, Newton has been one of the best passers in the NFL this season when pressured....statistically his has been the 3rd best.

yes.......newton's season is statistically the 3rd best out of his 3 years

except when he gets hit a few times, the panthers lose, but don't let that minor detail slip past you


BTW, I though you were done?

 

[Kontradiction]

yes.......newton's season is statistically the 3rd best out of his 3 years

except when he gets hit a few times, the panthers lose, but don't let that minor detail slip past you


BTW, I though you were done?

Newton's problem, from what I've seen, isn't when he gets hit. He's a mobile quarterback, so he gets hit a lot. It's when you throw a good amount of adversity in his face. Put the pressure on him and get a 10+ point lead and he crawls into a shell. I'm not the only one who has noticed this, either. Pat Kirwin, one of the more astute NFL minds on Sirius, picked up on this as well. When everything is going well, he's rolling with a smile on his face. When everything doesn't go according to plan, he turtles.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

oh yeah, I forgot....55 points against the Steelers. Everything else now is thrown out the window. 55 points per game is what you now are.

We aren't just playing Tom Brady....Your OL vs. our DL for example? That matchup alone can dictate if Brady, Gronk, etc. even have opportunities or how many they get. So does our offense and their ability to keep him watching us from the sidelines etc.

If you think Brady is going to come in here and suddenly you are gonna see the 2007 Patriots again....well, you might want to put the left handed cigarette down.

Now you are taking the lead from the idiots at ESPN/NFLN.

Like yeah....55 points against Pittsburgh is the meaningful stat because that is the only game in which had a Patriots offense play that is similar to the one your team is going to face.

Not that hard to understand.