The hit on Dobson !!

[Kontradiction]

Looks like he had an MRI? No word on results.

I would guess that it's precautionary. Like I said, that looked like a stinger to me. Those are never, ever fun.

 

[Ring 6]

Simply hitting hard isn't against the rules, hitting when you're not supposed to IS against the rules. Sorry but your argument is simply a fail.

To quote Jack Lambert, lets just put a dress on them.

As far as your comments, you should take a course in reading.

 

[Ring 6]

Andy,

I was the one who called this specific play dirty so let me explain.

I have no problem with someone lowering their shoulder the way the cover man did if the player is not defenseless. Had he been the ball carrier or even a WR going over the middle for a catch (there was no helmet to helmet so this would be fine),

Where the problem occurs is that this was a defenseless punt returner looking up for the ball in which he is protected by both a fair catch called and a halo of space in which he is granted to catch the ball.

I also understand that if you are being blocked you want always be able to control yourself from not making contact but this is not the dirty part. The dirty part is that the player either new he was being blocked and thought he could get away with it or just ignored the halo and fair catch rules either way to me it is extremely dirty.

Had he just bumped into the player because he was being blocked nothing wrong but to lower shoulder on someone who is not only protected by the rules but also who is not even looking is dirty.

I disagree on many levels. Perhaps we should leave it at that.

 

[Snake Eyes]

To quote Jack Lambert, lets just put a dress on them.

As far as your comments, you should take a course in reading.

Ok, so if someone disagrees with you they're obviously a pansy and/or they can't read

A gunner deliberately hit Edelman after a FC was called and you think the people complaining about it being a dirty hit are off base, child please.

 

[signbabybrady]

I disagree on many levels. Perhaps we should leave it at that.

Not sure what the many levels are. It really just seems to be one level for you which is its football so hitting someone is not dirty.

Let me ask you this lets assume this wasnt a punt but rather a deep high arching pass and the DB prior to the ball arriving just lowered his shoulder and took out the WR. Pass interferance is called would you consider this dirty?

 

[signbabybrady]

To quote Jack Lambert, lets just put a dress on them.

As far as your comments, you should take a course in reading.

See this comment shows you are looking at this from a pure the sport is getting too soft prespective.

This has nothing to do with the softening of the NFL as there are other reasons aside from player protection for the Halo and fair catch rules. Why would you risk losing possesion on the punt when by your rules you would allow them to be tackled before the ball arrives.

The cover man knows he can not make contact with the returner until he has caught the ball and must give him a halo to do so. The only exception to this is if you are blocked into the player but that only protects involuntary action and to use this exception as an excuse to lower your shoulder on someone who is otherwise protected is about as dirty as it gets.

 

[JMC00]

Looks like he had an MRI? No word on results.

Source: No damage in Aaron Dobson's neck, decision for Sunday's game still pending | masslive.com

currently only dealing with soreness in his back and neck, according to a source.

 

[TruthSeeker]

It is football.
And it is very possible that while being blocked he did not see the fair catch signal too.

My understanding is that it is the defensive players responsibility to avoid the PR and the only extenuating circumstance is if he is blocked into the PR. As has been pointed out, that did not happen.

It was a horrible non-call regardless of which team it happened against.

 

[Ring 6]

Ok, so if someone disagrees with you they're obviously a pansy and/or they can't read

A gunner deliberately hit Edelman after a FC was called and you think the people complaining about it being a dirty hit are off base, child please.

I can not retype the entire discussion for you.
Your characterization and understanding of my end of the discussion misses by miles.

 

[Ring 6]

My understanding is that it is the defensive players responsibility to avoid the PR and the only extenuating circumstance is if he is blocked into the PR. As has been pointed out, that did not happen.

It was a horrible non-call regardless of which team it happened against.

I agree it should have been called That wasn't the debate.

 

[Ring 6]

See this comment shows you are looking at this from a pure the sport is getting too soft prespective.

This has nothing to do with the softening of the NFL as there are other reasons aside from player protection for the Halo and fair catch rules. Why would you risk losing possesion on the punt when by your rules you would allow them to be tackled before the ball arrives.

The cover man knows he can not make contact with the returner until he has caught the ball and must give him a halo to do so. The only exception to this is if you are blocked into the player but that only protects involuntary action and to use this exception as an excuse to lower your shoulder on someone who is otherwise protected is about as dirty as it gets.

Please describe my argument to me becauae the one you think I have doesn't resemble the one I actually do and have been discussing.
When did I say this shod not gave been a penalty or that hitting the pr waiting to catch the ball should be allowed?

 

[Ring 6]

Not sure what the many levels are. It really just seems to be one level for you which is its football so hitting someone is not dirty.

Let me ask you this lets assume this wasnt a punt but rather a deep high arching pass and the DB prior to the ball arriving just lowered his shoulder and took out the WR. Pass interferance is called would you consider this dirty?

Your analogy is ridiculous and not close to what happened.

 

[signbabybrady]

Please describe my argument to me becauae the one you think I have doesn't resemble the one I actually do and have been discussing.
When did I say this shod not gave been a penalty or that hitting the pr waiting to catch the ball should be allowed?

I guess maybe I did miss something because it appears your argument is that it should have been a penalty and that it rightfully should not be allowed but that it is not dirty to blatantly ignore this and lower ones shoulder into the chest of a defenseless player.

Your analogy is ridiculous and not close to what happened.

If my interpretation of your line of thinking above is correct than I dont think it matters how ludicrous or close my anolgy is as at the core its the same thing a player ignoring the rules and instead lowering his shoulder and hitting a player long before he is allowed to.

I am a pretty leniant viewer and will in most cases give the player the benefit of the doubt when it comes to dirty play as it is a physical sport that often draws a fine line between tough football and dirty but I dont see any other way to see this one.

 

[Ring 6]

I guess maybe I did miss something because it appears your argument is that it should have been a penalty and that it rightfully should not be allowed but that it is not dirty to blatantly ignore this and lower ones shoulder into the chest of a defenseless player.

It should have been a penalty. It is ridiculous to argue that the extra shoulder to emphaisze the hit was dirty. Its football, people get hit.

If my interpretation of your line of thinking above is correct than I dont think it matters how ludicrous or close my anolgy is as at the core its the same thing a player ignoring the rules and instead lowering his shoulder and hitting a player long before he is allowed to.

Again, that is ridiculous.

I am a pretty leniant viewer and will in most cases give the player the benefit of the doubt when it comes to dirty play as it is a physical sport that often draws a fine line between tough football and dirty but I dont see any other way to see this one.

Then we disgree.

 

[PrairiePat]

Of course he did, why wouldn't he? If he saw the fc sign and knows it will be a flag, he might as well get a hit in for his 10 yards. If not, he is tackling.
I'm not sure when the NFL changed to where people think permission should be asked to hit someone.

It's a penalty to hit a defenseless receiver. It's also a penalty to hit a receiver (or a punt returner) before they've caught the ball. Fair catch or not. That's not 'football', that's dirty play, which the refs let them get away with.

 

[Snake Eyes]

It should have been a penalty. It is ridiculous to argue that the extra shoulder to emphaisze the hit was dirty. Its football, people get hit.

There's a difference between intentional and unintentional contact, the shoulder shows clear intent to transfer force into Edelman.