Manning’s receivers vs. Brady’s receivers over the years

[mgteich]

IMHO, you are delusional if you think that Manning wouldn't have done just fine if he were quarterback of the 2007 patriots.

As has been repeated early and often, these are two great quarterback.

As many of the media have reasonably put it, Manning is better in the regular season, and Brady is better in the playoffs.

Look what Brady did in 07 with players that hadn't played with him/ or did for a few games. The difference between Tom and manning in there offenses, manning is working with stud veteran receivers. Tom is working with 2 stud rookies and 2 veteran receivers. Big difference.
Brady could be controlling the best offense in the nfl by the last half of the season or few games going into the playoffs.

Manning is a great QB, but he isn't the best ever or the best in the league right now.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

When the team signs not one, not two but three $30+mm contracts to receivers in the past three years (in addition to several other mid-level signings and three draftees), "saving a buck" is a very difficult argument to assert.

When you let the best slot receiver in the game go to play catch with Peyton to save a few hundred grand after spending $30 mill on others, you have made a decision that "saved a buck" no matter how we cut it. When the guy who is arguably the best QB in the history of the game still has all his skills but has a pass rating under 80 after three games, it is also a "very difficult argument to assert" that that was the right decision.

Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Oswlek]

When you let the best slot receiver in the game go to play catch with Peyton to save a few hundred grand after spending $30 mill on others, you have made a decision that "saved a buck" no matter how we cut it. When the guy who is arguably the best QB in the history of the game still has all his skills but has a pass rating under 80 after three games, it is also a "very difficult argument to assert" that that was the right decision.

Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

You can spin it however you want, but cheapness is not a reason for the position that NE is in. In fact, had Hernandez still been on the team, NE would have invested more in its receiving corps than Denver, even factoring in the Welker swap.

Sorry, you are off base on this one.

 

[UK_Pat37]

I've always argued that with the receivers Manning has had over the years, it would be criminal if he didn;t have great years.

He has fallen in to such a great situation in Denver. They already had a playoff calibre defence, they had the WRs (and they're just even more ridiculously loaded with Welker) with a decent running attack.

What more could a future HoF QB want? He has the best WR corps in the NFL. He's had the benefit of consistently great WRs throughout his career.

 

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

When you let the best slot receiver in the game go to play catch with Peyton to save a few hundred grand after spending $30 mill on others, you have made a decision that "saved a buck" no matter how we cut it. When the guy who is arguably the best QB in the history of the game still has all his skills but has a pass rating under 80 after three games, it is also a "very difficult argument to assert" that that was the right decision.

Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

When you decide to judge such things after 3 games you've made a decision too...

The Broncos added a #2-3 target to an already deep receiving core, but bumbled a contract with their #1-2 pass rusher. Personally if I had to choose between those two based on the depth/balance of the org I'd take Dumervil 100/100 times. Hanging 40 on the red-headed stepchildren of the league isn't going to mean much in Jan.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

You can spin it however you want, but cheapness is not a reason for the position that NE is in. In fact, had Hernandez still been on the team, NE would have invested more in its receiving corps than Denver, even factoring in the Welker swap.

Sorry, you are off base on this one.

Fair enough. I think "saving a buck" (not "cheapness," of which any team that is paying Wilfork and Brady and Belichick most definitely cannot be accused) played a role in this case.

Not paying Welker when Gronkowski was hurt (and, unfortunately, was known to be injury prone) left slim margin for error.

Then, Hernandez' situation came from out of the blue (if we believe the Pats' spin). Gronk is still questionable for week four. The result is that Brady is trying to make do. The scheduling gods gave them three mediocre teams, two at Home, to start the season, but now things get "interesting."

I think you usually make a lot of sense out here, but we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, as we're not going to change each other's mind. I said from the beginning in this thread that we don't know what this will all mean in January, but they did "save a buck."

 

[sb1]

Look what Brady did in 07 with players that hadn't played with him/ or did for a few games. The difference between Tom and manning in there offenses, manning is working with stud veteran receivers. Tom is working with 2 stud rookies and 2 veteran receivers. Big difference.
Brady could be controlling the best offense in the nfl by the last half of the season or few games going into the playoffs.

Manning is a great QB, but he isn't the best ever or the best in the league right now.

Right now I'd say Manning isn't the best ever (and neither is Brady IMO) but based on what we've seen so far it's extremely difficult for me to objectively say that anyone other than #18 is the best QB in the league at the moment.

These two QB's are all time greats and we're lucky to have one of them. Weapons or not I'd like to see Brady do a little better in the playoffs than he has in the past few years... something like an 82 postseason passer rating since the first game of the 2007 playoffs... and that includes the Tebow game. Can't really blame that on his weapons, he just needs to play better. If he does, I think ring #4 is attainable. That to me is more important than the chest thumping that we have the greatest QB.

Let's not forget that when Brady was more of a game manager type 10 years ago the Pats won rings. Since the Air Brady show started in 2007: zero rings. So it's not all about Brady putting up big numbers and big stats. I think it's interesting that some Pats fans have bought into the Manning Colts fan argument that stats are everything...