Player Signing Why did this team sign Tebow?

[g8orballboy]

Well then, if tebow makes the 53 man roster we can just ignore any stats he has because he wasn't the starter.

Good to know you guys are future proofing your "don't hate tebow because he's awful, look at just these 11 games from 3 years ago" argument.

So if he makes the 53 but sits as the 3rd stringer every game (which he's likely to do)... we should add 0 ypg to his average for each game this season? Don't be intentionally dense.... i do hope its intentional. I guess Aaron Rodger's Yards per game is a lot lower than I thought... seeing as he averaged 0 yards a game his first few season... he's not nearly as good as I believed him to be... Thanks for making me aware....

 

[DarrylS]

Here's the numbers per game:

2010:

Oakland: 138p + 78r = 216
Houston: 308p + 27r = 335
San Diego: 205p + 94r = 299

2011:
Miami: 161p + 59r = 220
Detroit: 172p + 63r = 235
Oakland: 124p + 118r = 242
Kansas City: 69p + 43r = 112
New York Jets: 104p + 68r = 172
San Diego: 143p + 67r = 210
Minnesota: 202p + 13r = 215
Chicago: 237p + 49r = 286
New England: 194p + 93r = 287
Buffalo: 185p + 34r = 219
Kansas City: 60p + 16r = 76
Pittsburgh: 316p + 50r = 376
New England: 136p + 13r = 149

Total: 3649
Average: 228

And this is what happens... These aren't great numbers and its ridiculous that I even need to post them... They don't indicate anything special... except to defend against the hyperbole and fake stats like Chasa posted saying he averaged less than 100 yards a game... which is a huge misrepresentation. I'm not here to say Tebow is great... he's not... but i'm not going to let people misrepresent him and post bogus numbers like that without adequately refuting them for what they are... bogus.

You might want to check your math, at first glance check the Pitt total..

Not sure where you are getting your averages, but they do not seem to compute.. in 2011 he averaged 123.5 yards passing and 47.1 rushing, for a total of 170.6 yards per game.. btw his passer rating in 2011, was 72.9, which was 31st in the NFL... so his numbers were pyss poor, no matter how you look at them.

He did have one statistically good game, against Pittsburgh...

Tim Tebow 2011 Splits - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Tim Tebow: Career Stats at NFL.com

 

[chasa]

You might want to check your math, at first glance check the Pitt total..

Not sure where you are getting your averages, but they do not seem to compute.. in 2011 he averaged 123.5 yards passing and 47.1 rushing, for a total of 170.6 yards per game.. btw his passer rating in 2011, was 72.9, which was 31st in the NFL... so his numbers were pyss poor, no matter how you look at them.

He did have one statistically good game, against Pittsburgh...

Tim Tebow 2011 Splits - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Tim Tebow: Career Stats at NFL.com

they only count games he started, and not games he came off the bench for, so get rid of everything but the 11 games he started in denver.

 

[sb1]

You might want to check your math, at first glance check the Pitt total..

Not sure where you are getting your averages, but they do not seem to compute.. in 2011 he averaged 123.5 yards passing and 47.1 rushing, for a total of 170.6 yards per game.. btw his passer rating in 2011, was 72.9, which was 31st in the NFL... so his numbers were pyss poor, no matter how you look at them.

He did have one statistically good game, against Pittsburgh...

Tim Tebow 2011 Splits - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Tim Tebow: Career Stats at NFL.com

I'd say 31.6 yards per completion says a lot more about the defense played- and not much of it positive - than it says about how the QB did.

And in reality Pittsburgh's defense really wasn't that good, as has already been discussed.

 

[chasa]

I'd say 31.6 yards per completion says a lot more about the defense played- and not much of it positive - than it does about how the QB did.

And in reality Pittsburgh's defense really wasn't that good, as has already been discussed.

where are you seeing 31.6 yards per completion?

i see his top single game avg as 15 vs the steelers in the playoffs but considering he only completed 47% of his passes the completed pass pool i would say is just too small. his average is sub 10.

 

[Demosthenes]

they only count games he started, and not games he came off the bench for, so get rid of everything but the 11 games he started in denver.

The reason for this being the stats that YOU decided to argue when you put it in terms of Yards per game and then used every single game that Tebow has ever been in.

Here's an example to demonstrate the flaw. Say that Mallet came into one game and threw for 200 yards. Say that he got some garbage time in 4 more games, throwing a 5 yard pass in each. The way you looked at it, that would be 220 yds divided by 5 games, or 44 yards per game. Lets take that a step further and put Mallett in 2 more games, but only handing the ball off 3 times in each of them. That would now be 220 total yards divided by 7 games, or 31.42 YPG

When looking at YPG, the numbers get severely skewed by small sample sizes when a person only runs a couple of plays per game.

The way to correct for this is to look at starts and to throw out games with very small sample size as they skew the results.

 

[Demosthenes]

where are you seeing 31.6 yards per completion?

i see his top single game avg as 15 vs the steelers in the playoffs but considering he only completed 47% of his passes the completed pass pool i would say is just too small. his average is sub 10.

You are looking at YPA while he is talking about YPC.

 

[belichick010405]

There are rich teams, there are poor teams.

Then theres' 50 feet of crap.

Then theres' Tim Tebow.

- Billy Beane

 

[sb1]

where are you seeing 31.6 yards per completion?

i see his top single game avg as 15 vs the steelers in the playoffs but considering he only completed 47% of his passes the completed pass pool i would say is just too small. his average is sub 10.

In the Steeler playoff game he was 10 of 21, 316 yards, 31.6 YPC.

Maybe you're thinking of yards per attempt?

 

[g8orballboy]

they only count games he started, and not games he came off the bench for, so get rid of everything but the 11 games he started in denver.

why would you include a game he came in mid 3rd quarter when your talking about average stats PER GAME... that makes no sense. And yes, my math was off by 10 on one game... the rest are sound.

 

[manxman2601]

There are rich teams, there are poor teams.

Then theres' 50 feet of crap.

Then theres' Tim Tebow.

- Billy Beane

Tim's a talented player that's smart and works hard.

- Bill Belichick

 

[DarrylS]

Tebow's passer rating in 2011, was 72.9, which was 31st in the NFL... so his numbers were pyss poor, no matter how you look at them.

 

[manxman2601]

I've decided that I want a "I'm A Tebow Terrorist" t-shirt.

 

[manxman2601]

Tebow's passer rating in 2011, was 72.9, which was 31st in the NFL... so his numbers were pyss poor, no matter how you look at them.

I'm glad we didn't sign Andrew Luck as our #3 QB because his was only 76.5. Eli Manning didn't break the 70s until his fifth year on the Giants.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I've decided that I want a "I'm A Tebow Terrorist" t-shirt.

Whereas I want an official Tebow Jaguars jersey.

 

[Fawn Lebowitz]

Well then, if tebow makes the 53 man roster we can just ignore any stats he has because he wasn't the starter.

Good to know you guys are future proofing your "don't hate tebow because he's awful, look at just these 11 games from 3 years ago" argument.

I love Tim Tebow. As a Colts fan, it's fantastic to see the Pats waste time, energy, money and a roster spot on a project that will never pan out. I'd love to see him not only make the team, but see significant playing time. Hell if Belichick is inclined, he could sign Vince Young after Green Bay cuts him in a month. He's another cut in the same mold of quarterbacks that can't pass or read a defense but he's a winner.

 

[Demosthenes]

I'm glad we didn't sign Andrew Luck as our #3 QB because his was only 76.5. Eli Manning didn't break the 70s until his fifth year on the Giants.

There you go again, introducing logic into a discussion that was ignoring it.

You're just flat out mean

 

[manxman2601]

There you go again, introducing logic into a discussion that was ignoring it.

You're just flat out mean

I know. Apparently we're supposed to give a crap about what a Baseball GM thinks about Tebow now.

I don't know why it needs to be constantly reiterated but:

1. His only full year as a starting QB was a borderline rookie year.

2. HE'S OUR 3rd STRING QB.

 

[Demosthenes]

I know. Apparently we're supposed to give a crap about what a Baseball GM thinks about Tebow now.

I don't know why it needs to be constantly reiterated but:

1. His only full year as a starting QB was a borderline rookie year.

2. HE'S OUR 3rd STRING QB.

Don't know if you read through some of the previous posts, but Belichick was the victim of a pretty serious beat down last night so he's probably still a bit punch drunk right now

 

[belichick010405]

So Demos and manx are now comparing Tim Tebow to both Eli Manning and Andrew Luck.

This is just getting better by the day.

I guess Tim Tebow could be Eli Manning and Andrew Luck according to the Julian calendar.