Amendola signed - 5 years

[PatsFan2]

Is Greg Jennings still available?

 

[BrickPat]

On a side note I don't think it's unreasonable to think that personal feelings somewhat factored into the equation on both sides. We've all likely seen people in our respective workplaces take professional business decisions personally or have seen two people have a lasting falling out over who knows what...I don't think BB and Welker are any different.

 

[Nunchucks]

The personal feelings angle is nonsense. Nobody disrespected Belichick more than Ty Law, yet Ty was brought back for another few years and all was forgotten. How about Asante Samuel? He was brought back.....Personal feelings is an excuse that fans use to justify the loss of their favorite player when the coach decides he is too old and limited in what he can do to spend more than 6 million a year on him.

 

[WinstonSmith]

32 year old wr who has touched the ball over 100 times for each of the last 5 years. Sounds like Welker is on the fast track to being all done.

Yep, Wes is the 1974 Dodge Monaco sedan in the Blues Brothers. He’s in one violent pileup after another and keeps on going…until, poof.

 

[MossWelkowski]

Ladies and gentlemen... Get on your feet and welcome the 2013 New England rams!!!!

 

[Tunescribe]

The personal feelings angle is nonsense. Nobody disrespected Belichick more than Ty Law, yet Ty was brought back for another few years and all was forgotten. How about Asante Samuel? He was brought back.....Personal feelings is an excuse that fans use to justify the loss of their favorite player when the coach decides he is too old and limited in what he can do to spend more than 6 million a year on him.

Good post.

 

[BrickPat]

The personal feelings angle is nonsense. Nobody disrespected Belichick more than Ty Law, yet Ty was brought back for another few years and all was forgotten. How about Asante Samuel? He was brought back.....Personal feelings is an excuse that fans use to justify the loss of their favorite player when the coach decides he is too old and limited in what he can do to spend more than 6 million a year on him.

Ok fair enough but indulge me as I note that accusing fans of worshipping players is often used by those who'll blindly march lock step with every decision BB makes. You're 100% right about Law but if it was just about money how can you explain giving more money to the oft injured and not as productive Amendola? I don't think it's non sense...agree to disagree.

BTW I simply go by what I've seen on the field. Good luck if you think the china doll will be nearly as duarble or replicate the 100+ catches.

 

[Nunchucks]

Ok fair enough but indulge me as I note that accusing fans of worshipping players is often used by those who'll blindly march lock step with every decision BB makes. You're 100% right about Law but if it was just about money how can you explain giving more money to the oft injured and not as productive Amendola? I don't think it's non sense...agree to disagree.

BTW I simply go by what I've seen on the field. Good luck if you think the china doll will be nearly as duarble or replicate the 100+ catches.

I hope that Danny doesn't come close to 100 catches. The Patriots offense needs to change. Besides that, past performance is not always indicative of future production. Welker is 32 years old, he has taken 100s of giant hits, how much longer can he keep that up?

Amendola may get hurt in TC, he may never even see the field...but, the guy has unmistakable talent, he is more of a vertical threat, and he has something that Welker cannot replicate, youth.

 

[stcjones]

Really? Danny Amendola is "UNPROVEN"? You are kidding right? Have you never seen him play at all? The guy is a phenomenal talent...IF he can stay healthy. Period. Now to be honest, I have no idea who Ryan Swope is (will look him up)....but to compare a JAG to Amendola right now....unfair.

Ryan Swope:

6' 206 pounds 4.34 forty 22 years old

Danny Amendola:

5'11 188 pounds 27 years old

I don't know. We'll see, but I feel that would of been the better, cheaper way if we were going the unproven route.

 

[BrickPat]

I hope that Danny doesn't come close to 100 catches. The Patriots offense needs to change. Besides that, past performance is not always indicative of future production. Welker is 32 years old, he has taken 100s of giant hits, how much longer can he keep that up?

It's be poven that Welker has kept it up more than his younger replacement. You're right about the past perfromance observation but then again that applies to all players, Amendola included. So if past performance is to be negated equally the Pats chose to pay Amendola more money simply because he is younger? Sorry but that dog won't hunt with me but again respectfully agree to disagree.

Amendola may get hurt in TC, he may never even see the field...but, the guy has unmistakable talent, he is more of a vertical threat, and he has something that Welker cannot replicate, youth.

Respectfully Amendola has yet to replicate Welker's durability. Durability trumps age. I'd rather have an older vet producing on the field than a "better/younger" player on PUP or IR.

 

[BSR]

Ok fair enough but indulge me as I note that accusing fans of worshipping players is often used by those who'll blindly march lock step with every decision BB makes. You're 100% right about Law but if it was just about money how can you explain giving more money to the oft injured and not as productive Amendola? I don't think it's non sense...agree to disagree.

BTW I simply go by what I've seen on the field. Good luck if you think the china doll will be nearly as duarble or replicate the 100+ catches.

There is a disconnect for Patriots fans, maybe because we are too close to the situation or we are too enthralled by the basic numbers. On the one hand we see this reliable receiver who consistently puts up big catch and yardage numbers and is a third down conversion machine. You look at the numbers and they are consistently at the top of the league.

So what is the disconnect? The value that the rest of the league places on him. Some fans of this team viewed Welker, based on his production, as valuable as Fitzgerald and Johnson and way above a Wallace or a Harvin. Apparently the rest of the league didn't think so. It comes as a shock to me as well but the proof is in the contract numbers.

This isn't a case of picking the player over BB, or vica versa. Its a case of our perceived value of the player versus his actual value to 32 NFL teams.

 

[BadMoFo]

I hope that Danny doesn't come close to 100 catches. The Patriots offense needs to change. Besides that, past performance is not always indicative of future production. Welker is 32 years old, he has taken 100s of giant hits, how much longer can he keep that up?

Amendola may get hurt in TC, he may never even see the field...but, the guy has unmistakable talent, he is more of a vertical threat, and he has something that Welker cannot replicate, youth.

I doubt he gets close to 100, unless Brady builds a fast trust of the guy. Gotta remember Brady isn't gonna throw it to someone he doesn't trust.

 

[Nunchucks]

Respectfully Amendola has yet to replicate Welker's durability. Durability trumps age. I'd rather have an older vet producing on the field than a "better/younger" player on PUP or IR.

Durability certainly does not trump age, you cannot outrun father time.

 

[everlong]

Sam Bradford had a great rookie season, but it would have been mediocre if he was a veteran. He was decent last year.

Amadola is a better receiver right now than Welker was when he came here. Doesn't mean he will be 1/10th the player Welker was in a Pats' uniform. Doesn't mean he can't be just as good or better. To declare him a horrible addition at this point though is way premature.

I would have rather paid Welker just because he is a known successful commodity, but Amadola has the tools to be a special player in this offense as long as he can stay healthy. A problem he had a lot in his career thus far.

I never said it was an awful signing but WW 2/12 or DA 5/31 is a no brainer to me given WW success in this offense and the fact that he misses next to no playing time and DA's glass like career coupled with who knows what the Brady chemistry will be. If he does suck McDaniels should never be allowed to pick the groceries again, ever.

 

[BrickPat]

Durability certainly does not trump age, you cannot outrun father time.

I kinda doubt Welker will crash and burn in 2 seasons given his durability. Again assigning worth simply because of age while ignoring durability or lack thereof is cherry picking.

 

[BrickPat]

There is a disconnect for Patriots fans, maybe because we are too close to the situation or we are too enthralled by the basic numbers. On the one hand we see this reliable receiver who consistently puts up big catch and yardage numbers and is a third down conversion machine. You look at the numbers and they are consistently at the top of the league.

So what is the disconnect? The value that the rest of the league places on him. Some fans of this team viewed Welker, based on his production, as valuable as Fitzgerald and Johnson and way above a Wallace or a Harvin. Apparently the rest of the league didn't think so. It comes as a shock to me as well but the proof is in the contract numbers.

This isn't a case of picking the player over BB, or vica versa. Its a case of our perceived value of the player versus his actual value to 32 NFL teams.

I agree but Welker had proven production value to the Pats. The contract he signed with Denver wasn't a cap crusher and would've left room to sign a deep threat. Amendola is now on board for more money and we still need the deep WR. I'm curious what other teams would've offered him(?)

 

[everlong]

Bob Kraft does not make the personnel decisions for the New England Patriots team.

C'mon, it's been over a decade since his son Drew lost his QB job.

I never said he made personnel decisions but he was obviously in loop and knew they had moved on.

 

[Rob0729]

I never said it was an awful signing but WW 2/12 or DA 5/31 is a no brainer to me given WW success in this offense and the fact that he misses next to no playing time and DA's glass like career coupled with who knows what the Brady chemistry will be. If he does suck McDaniels should never be allowed to pick the groceries again, ever.

Several things:

• Amendola's contract may have a lot of puffery. People throw around the five years, $31 million like it means something at this point. What if he has $17-20 million of the money in the final two years? Then it really becomes a three year, $11-14 million deal with most of guaranteed.
• Who said this is McDaniels' call? The guy coached Amendola for a preseason and one quarter before he dislocated his arm and went to IR. I don't know if McDaniels have much more insight on Amendola than Belichick. Amendola does look like a Belichick type of player though.
• Who knows if the Pats don't have insight on Welker that we don't know. Maybe Brady does over-rely on him which hurts the team in other areas. Maybe pairing him with Gronk and Hernandez maked good defenses able to defend the Pats because they throw too much to the middle of the field (Greg Bedard suggested that).

People are making a lot of assumptions without all the facts. On the face of it, things may look like it is a bad swap. In the long run, it might not be nearly as bad it seems.

 

[Banjo]

I like Danny but as far as I'm concerned, WR has now become a major "need" in the draft. Patriots need insurance options, and good ones.

 

[BSR]

I like Danny but as far as I'm concerned, WR has now become a major "need" in the draft. Patriots need insurance options, and good ones.

I think that was the same if they signed Danny, Welker or even Danny and Welker.