WR Percy Harvin traded to Seahawks

[Brady_to_Moss]

People on twitter saying harvins new deal around or close to 12 M a year. Hahaha

 

[Patriot Missile]

A first and seventh this year and a mid-round 2014 pick for Harvin? Rather give up a first for a superior and more reliable player in Victor Cruz.

Concur. Think a lot of people here including myself would of grudgingly gave up a second for Harvin and still had second thoughts. But 3 picks plus 12 million per? That's a tough sell.

This team has got a nice open window for the next 2 seasons to do some good things. After that its time to pay. I'm taking wagers on whether or not Sherman plays on the same deal after this upcoming season.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

Because it was a deal completed before free agency and is covered, therefore, by deals already in place.

But the Seahawks will be paying Harvin for next season + and not the season past.

Nonsense. As I noted, there's a difference between what a player is worth when signed/traded for/drafted/etc.... and whether or not the player's game lives up to the contract. In other words, there are two types of "worth", and you're trying to argue that you can't determine one "Market value" until you know the other "Subjective value", but it doesn't work that way.

Or, to put it another way.... a $20k car is a $20k car whether it lasts for 150,000 miles or 500,000 miles.

Sure the car is worth $20k at the time of purchase but whether it turns out to be a bad deal or good deal or a great deal will be decided by how many miles the car produces down the road.

I have answered it, multiple times, and it's not a simple yes or no answer.

AGAIN............. and for the last time:

Sure it's a simple yes or no question. Let me ask you the question this way then.

When the Pats paid a hefty price for Wes it was thought that they overpaid at the time of the deal. 6500 receiving yards and 40 TD's later ..... did the Pats overpay?

 

[SeanBruschi54]

How can you say it's a bad deal when we don't even know how well Harvin will produce?

What if Harvin produces at a pro bowl level?

Of course I can!!

The dude can play but does that mean i cant judge this deal? He's the JD Drew of football. Expensive player and often injured

 

[manxman2601]

This adds some perspective as to whether a 24 yr old Harvin is worth the money.

from Sage Rosenfels:

If you want to know how talented @Percy_Harvin is, Favre and I used to discuss who was a better player, Percy or AP. #seriously

https://twitter.com/SageRosenfels18/status/311309558528217088

If the Seahawks FO feels the same way, it explains the 12m per contract.

 

[Rob0729]

People on twitter saying harvins new deal around or close to 12 M a year. Hahaha

Ridiculous money for a guy who has never had a 1,000 yard season, had injury issues, and has been a problem child.

 

[Rob0729]

This adds some perspective as to whether a 24 yr old Harvin is worth the money.

from Sage Rosenfels:



https://twitter.com/SageRosenfels18/status/311309558528217088

If the Seahawks FO feels the same way, it explains the 12m per contract.

Well, Favre is a pill popping drunk. So maybe he was on a binge when he was having that ludicrous discussion. Here is how the discussion should have gone:

Sage: AP is a far better player than Percy.
Brett: I concur.

Harvin is a tease. Has flashed as a brilliant player, but never shown any consistency at it.

 

[Deus Irae]

But the Seahawks will be paying Harvin for next season + and not the season past.

It doesn't matter. The deal made is judged based upon what the WRs are getting now, not what they'll be getting in a year.

Sure the car is worth $20k at the time of purchase but whether it turns out to be a bad deal or good deal or a great deal will be decided by how many miles the car produces down the road.

Whether it's a good deal or a bad deal depends on which side of the $20k you fell. If you paid more than $20k for a $20k car, you got a bad deal. If you paid less than $20k for a $20k car, you got a good deal. What the car does after that is completely irrelevant.

Sure it's a simple yes or no question.

No, it's not.

Let me ask you the question this way then.

When the Pats paid a hefty price for Wes it was thought that they overpaid at the time of the deal. 6500 receiving yards and 40 TD's later ..... did the Pats overpay?

I don't recall thinking they overpaid at the time of the deal, so I can't agree with your argument. However, you are again confusing the two types of value/worth, so the answer really doesn't matter. Let's put it another way....

Brady was a 6th round rookie making peanuts. He took his team to the SB title. Was his original contract a case of dramatic underpayment? Of course not. He was paid right in the area that players taken at his position are paid.

Did he outplay his contract? Absolutely.

It's two different types of value, not surprisingly, yielding two different answers.

 

[JackBauer]

Wow. That is just stupid money for someone like Harvin.

 

[Brady2Moss]

Overpaid in the trade and then the contract ouch

 

[DocHoliday]

By definition, you overpay for anything a cent more than the minimum price it takes to secure a transaction.

If Percy Harvin would have agreed to a dollar less, then the Seahawks overpaid by a dollar.

 

[strngplyr]

By definition, you overpay for anything a cent more than the minimum price it takes to secure a transaction.

If Percy Harvin would have agreed to a dollar less, then the Seahawks overpaid by a dollar.

Actually its based on value set by the market, not the individual.

They are going to pay Harvin for his self value, because he won't agree to anything less, even if they technically couldn't sign him for anything less, they will still be overpaying, and they are OK with it internally or they would have never made the trade.

This trade is the opposite of a value deal and they are putting an awful lot of faith into him becoming something he has yet to be in his 4 year career to date.

They are overpaying in almost every sense of the term. Minnesota offloaded a cancer, an often injured receiver, and someone who has failed to produce at the level everyone thinks he is capable of and got a kings ransom in return. Props to them.

 

[patsfan-1982]

ah Seattle where one season wonder WR's go to get paid and then be injury prone and average again,


lol all jokes a side i hope it works out for them cause 12 million is a lot of money and so far Harvin's best season as a pro looked like the year Brandon Lloyd just had for the pats and they want to cut him cause he's cap hit is 4 million lol

 

[strngplyr]

ah Seattle where one season wonder WR's go to get paid and then be injury prone and average again,


lol all jokes a side i hope it works out for them cause 12 million is a lot of money and so far Harvin's best season as a pro looked like the year Brandon Lloyd just had for the pats and they want to cut him cause he's cap hit is 4 million lol

Kind of a silly comparison to be fair, Harvin is also pretty dynamic lining up in the backfield, will fight for every yard, returns punts and kicks, and hasn't had anyone in the realm of Tom Brady ever throw a pass to him outside of Favre's single fountain of youth year where Harvin was a rookie and still plagued with major migraines (even though he wasn't labled inactive, he missed a lot more than 1 games worth of time that season).

Edit: Don't mistake this comment for me saying I think Harvin deserves Calvin Johnson or LArry Fitzgerald money, but comparing him to Lloyd because of receiving numbers is hardly a fair comparison.

 

[stcjones]

Well this "Migraine" would be one of my primary concerns with Harvin. A couple of huge hits and concussions....and his career could be over. He usually misses several games a year because of the migraines too. I think he is a GOOD receiver....but not worth using your first rounder to get him and also give him a big contract.....Not a smart move by Pete the Cheerleader

That is one formidable team right there. I'm getting a migraine just thinking about Harvin getting a migraine in Seattle.

Certainly one of the area's of need for Seattle has been shored with the signing. Seattle may have the cap room now and I'm assuming Harvin isn't going to shut up until he gets paid. But....this team will have to pay the piper sooner or later. Sherman and Wilson won't be in these contracts forever. Sherman will probably want to be paid more than Revis and Wilson will be want to be paid like a veteran starter. Not to mention all the other players coming up.

Team definitely has a window for success though. They will be a tough out for sure.

 

[patfanken]

I think this was a great trade by the Seahawks if you look at it from their position. Sure its a first round pick, but a very low one. If they looked at their team and determined that WR was a critical need, then looked at the draft and saw no one better than Harvin likely to be available, and they didn't see anyone in FA better, then Harvin is an excellent value, with the 7th and a 4th next season, throw away picks of little relative value. Much like the extra 7th rounder the Pats threw in on the Welker deal to smooth that transaction.

HOWEVER, the contract rumors at $12MM/yr are less attractive, but this is why I think the Seahawks can justify it. First, I would guess that the deal is will come out as an extension. IIRC Harvin is due onlly about $3MM this season. So if they give him a ton of money up front along with that low first year, they can create cap numbers that will be well below that $12MM average for the first 2-3 years. Secondly, having a Franchise QB who is making less than a million per year is like getting $15-20MM extra added to your cap. For the next few years at least, that's going to be a big advantage for Seattle.

I don't see anyone thinking that Harvin doesn't have the raw talent to justify a top contract. Its just that until now he hasn't had the production to match it. But he also hasn't had the QB he'll have in Seattle for the last 2 years. Plus there's the issue of him being a ****l.

 

[Nunchucks]

Proven NFL playmaker. Simple as that. Draft is always a crap shoot. You never know if you are going to get Charles Johnson or Calvin Johnson, maybe Larry Fitzgerald or Mike Williams. All these can't miss players always seem to be missing.

When you have the opportunity to grab somebody who has proven that he can make plays at the NFL level, will work hard, and cares about winning. Well, it is one way to turn a do-nothing franchise into a perennial contender.

All you people hating on this trade...its like you don't watch football. Harvin is a beast. Maybe 12 million a year is a little much, but it could also be a great deal. Without taking large risks, it is difficult to get huge windfalls.

 

[Don Kipines]

This trade is terribly-timed for the Pats. Vikes and Miami will now get into a bidding war for Wallace. If Miami loses, they'll go after Welker and they'll give him the money. It's the only scenario that makes sense in terms of Welker leaving.

Pats would be left with Greg Jennings and/or Amendola, and you can imagine scenarios where they don't pay either.

 

[Nunchucks]

This trade is terribly-timed for the Pats. Vikes and Miami will now get into a bidding war for Wallace. If Miami loses, they'll go after Welker and they'll give him the money. It's the only scenario that makes sense in terms of Welker leaving.

Pats would be left with Greg Jennings and/or Amendola, and you can imagine scenarios where they don't pay either.

Wallace and Jennings will now most certainly go somewhere for more than the Patriots are willing to pay. That leaves the Patriots with crap for WR. Amendola is a slot receiver. Bad news indeed.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I really really really dislike this trade for the Seahawks, especially since this is going to affect their ability to sign all of Chancellor, Thomas, and Sherman over the next two seasons.

Actually this is a great move because it allows the Pats to sign one of those players in the next two seasons when the Seahawks are too cap screwed to match our offer.