Tom Brady inability to close out games

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I'm going to repost my earlier post here because it is appropriate:

I said it last week, now I am vindicated, Brady is now one of the biggest chokers in the game. Yes, yes, I know, the homers will point to games where he has come up with a drive late in the game when they are behind. The Dallas game last year for example. The real problem is that when they are already down, there's nothing to lose. And he can function. But I have never seen a quarterback fail as consistently as Brady when he has the slim lead late and just needs one solid drive to ice it.

Think back about how badly he crumbles in these big moments. Against the colts onS the famous 4 and 2. Against the colts in 10 he couldn't engineer a drive to close it out, James sanders saved him with a pick though. Against the giants last year in both the regular season and the super bowl his drives sputtered giving the ball back to Eli with just enough time left. Against the colts in the 06 championship game he needed just one more first down and couldn't get it. Against the ravens last year in the title game he could not ice it, instead he threw incomplete to Hernandez which gave flacco time for that final drive that ended with a missed kick.

Then you have tonight, all Brady needed was one or two first downs. But he could not muster it. It is a definite pattern. And it has been a pattern since the acl injury. He sees phantom rushers and ducks under for no reason, or ducks under before the rusher gets there where a calmer qb who can actually operate under pressure would have side stepped. The worst part is that if that play happens during the middle of a game, Brady side steps the rush like a champ and throws a strike downfield. But when he has to protect a lead, he flounders. He's too worried about messing up a lead that is pre existing.

I don't know what the solution is except to start taking the ball out of his hands late and get a better running game. Or, you just have to try and throw non stop early and build a big lead when there is less pressure and he feels more comfortable to operate.

I rarely insult another member with words,but your post makes you a full blown idiot,any which way you dice it up.

 

[DaBruinz]

oline folded in the final drive when they needed it

Kinda hard for the O-line to do anything when the Ravens are bringing 7 or 8 guys.. Which is what they were doing when the Pats had 5 wide. It's what the Ravens did when they stuffed the run game for a loss at their 4 yard line.

The play-calling at times was pretty iffy.. Which is too bad.

And the clock management under 3 minutes was horrible. But McDaniels has been that way his entire career.

 

[12ClutchFactor]

See, this is exactly the sort of reason that your argument sucks. The Ravens got pressure because the blocking failed, not because Brady didn't check out of the play.

It seems to me that a seasoned quarterback would have a backup option in case, wait for it, one of the most aggressive defenses in the league applies pressure up the middle and succeeds in winning one on on battles like they're known to do. That back up plan would be an elementary hot read or dump off option.

I'm sure you're familiar with it, Ray Rice played that role for Baltimore pretty well in the passing game. And no it's not all about his skill. It's about putting the right options in place in the right situations.

 

[Deus Irae]

It seems to me that a seasoned quarterback would have a backup option in case, wait for it, one of the most aggressive defenses in the league applies pressure up the middle and succeeds in winning one on on battles like they're known to do. That back up plan would be an elementary hot read or dump off option.

I'm sure you're familiar with it, Ray Rice played that role for Baltimore pretty well in the passing game. And no it's not all about his skill. It's about putting the right options in place in the right situations.

You pretty clearly weren't actually paying attention to the game.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Kinda hard for the O-line to do anything when the Ravens are bringing 7 or 8 guys.. Which is what they were doing when the Pats had 5 wide. It's what the Ravens did when they stuffed the run game for a loss at their 4 yard line.

The play-calling at times was pretty iffy.. Which is too bad.

And the clock management under 3 minutes was horrible. But McDaniels has been that way his entire career.

I still fail to understand why a screen pass would not have been the answer in that possession to win the game.

It's not like we don't have the personel to do it but Brady way too often is being asked to carry the game on his shoulders,it should have been up to a RB to get them into FG range to ice the game.

The Ravens sent out a blitz,if a screen was used there might have been a good chance that the right side might have been open for a decent gain.

 

[BSR]

It seems to me that a seasoned quarterback would have a backup option in case, wait for it, one of the most aggressive defenses in the league applies pressure up the middle and succeeds in winning one on on battles like they're known to do. That back up plan would be an elementary hot read or dump off option.

I'm sure you're familiar with it, Ray Rice played that role for Baltimore pretty well in the passing game. And no it's not all about his skill. It's about putting the right options in place in the right situations.

Did you see the play where Brady and Ridley were both sacked at the same time executing a handoff? There is no time to get a play off in that situation. It would have been the biggest clusterfck of the game if it wasn't for the refs. Stop posting stupid crap.

 

[12ClutchFactor]

You pretty clearly weren't actually paying attention to the game.

It kills me, and it's not just you, that no one will criticize Brady or BB no matter what. It's like people have built them up to a religion and crossing them will result in them smiting you. They make mistakes, blow calls and have skills that erode over time. It happens, and it is okay to mention it.

 

[NSPF]

I'm going to repost my earlier post here because it is appropriate:

I said it last week, now I am vindicated, Brady is now one of the biggest chokers in the game. Yes, yes, I know, the homers will point to games where he has come up with a drive late in the game when they are behind. The Dallas game last year for example. The real problem is that when they are already down, there's nothing to lose. And he can function. But I have never seen a quarterback fail as consistently as Brady when he has the slim lead late and just needs one solid drive to ice it.

Think back about how badly he crumbles in these big moments. Against the colts on the famous 4 and 2. Against the colts in 10 he couldn't engineer a drive to close it out, James sanders saved him with a pick though. Against the giants last year in both the regular season and the super bowl his drives sputtered giving the ball back to Eli with just enough time left. Against the colts in the 06 championship game he needed just one more first down and couldn't get it. Against the ravens last year in the title game he could not ice it, instead he threw incomplete to Hernandez which gave flacco time for that final drive that ended with a missed kick.

Then you have tonight, all Brady needed was one or two first downs. But he could not muster it. It is a definite pattern. And it has been a pattern since the acl injury. He sees phantom rushers and ducks under for no reason, or ducks under before the rusher gets there where a calmer qb who can actually operate under pressure would have side stepped. The worst part is that if that play happens during the middle of a game, Brady side steps the rush like a champ and throws a strike downfield. But when he has to protect a lead, he flounders. He's too worried about messing up a lead that is pre existing.

I don't know what the solution is except to start taking the ball out of his hands late and get a better running game. Or, you just have to try and throw non stop early and build a big lead when there is less pressure and he feels more comfortable to operate.

Do you even think before you post?

 

[thenepatsrule]

Do you even think before you post?

he is a ratbird fan disguised as a pat fan

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Do you even think before you post?

he's a jets fan..of course he doesn't

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

It seems to me that a seasoned quarterback would have a backup option in case, wait for it, one of the most aggressive defenses in the league applies pressure up the middle and succeeds in winning one on on battles like they're known to do. That back up plan would be an elementary hot read or dump off option.

I'm sure you're familiar with it, Ray Rice played that role for Baltimore pretty well in the passing game. And no it's not all about his skill. It's about putting the right options in place in the right situations.

Yeah,your right,Brady is a choker....Look at all those INTs that Tom tossed up for grabs tonight,just so his modelish body wouldn't get mauled.



.......oh Wait,that was Michael Vick,my bad :bricks:

 

[Deus Irae]

It kills me, and it's not just you, that no one will criticize Brady or BB no matter what. It's like people have built them up to a religion and crossing them will result in them smiting you. They make mistakes, blow calls and have skills that erode over time. It happens, and it is okay to mention it.

Feel free to ask any posters with a legitimate post count (for purposes of having read enough of my posts) whether or not I refuse to criticize the team, or individuals associated with this team.

Then, realize that your post was garbage, and continues to be garbage. And, for the record, when Brady threw the short pass to Ridley on that drive, Ridley dropped the ball.

As I said, you clearly were not actually paying attention.

 

[12ClutchFactor]

he is a ratbird fan disguised as a pat fan

The other popular retort when people are incapable of formulating a logical answer or reply to valid points.

 

[DaBruinz]

I'm going to repost my earlier post here because it is appropriate:

I said it last week, now I am vindicated, Brady is now one of the biggest chokers in the game. Yes, yes, I know, the homers will point to games where he has come up with a drive late in the game when they are behind. The Dallas game last year for example. The real problem is that when they are already down, there's nothing to lose. And he can function. But I have never seen a quarterback fail as consistently as Brady when he has the slim lead late and just needs one solid drive to ice it.

Think back about how badly he crumbles in these big moments. Against the colts on the famous 4 and 2. Against the colts in 10 he couldn't engineer a drive to close it out, James sanders saved him with a pick though. Against the giants last year in both the regular season and the super bowl his drives sputtered giving the ball back to Eli with just enough time left. Against the colts in the 06 championship game he needed just one more first down and couldn't get it. Against the ravens last year in the title game he could not ice it, instead he threw incomplete to Hernandez which gave flacco time for that final drive that ended with a missed kick.

Then you have tonight, all Brady needed was one or two first downs. But he could not muster it. It is a definite pattern. And it has been a pattern since the acl injury. He sees phantom rushers and ducks under for no reason, or ducks under before the rusher gets there where a calmer qb who can actually operate under pressure would have side stepped. The worst part is that if that play happens during the middle of a game, Brady side steps the rush like a champ and throws a strike downfield. But when he has to protect a lead, he flounders. He's too worried about messing up a lead that is pre existing.

I don't know what the solution is except to start taking the ball out of his hands late and get a better running game. Or, you just have to try and throw non stop early and build a big lead when there is less pressure and he feels more comfortable to operate.

Guess you didn't watch the game at all. During the Pats final drive, they actually got 2 first downs. They needed one more. But what happened? The play-calling resulted in a sack. That's not on Brady. That's on McDaniels. For not realizing that they should call a RUN play to force the Ravens to use their Time Outs. Calling a pass play and having the Ravens bring 7 guys when the Pats were in a 5 wide set is what cost the Pats. It's what allowed Ngata and Ellerbe to get to him.

 

[thenepatsrule]

The other popular retort when people are incapable of formulating a logical answer or reply to valid points.

y is it that u only post neg- things after a loss and nothing after a win

 

[DaBruinz]

The other popular retort when people are incapable of formulating a logical answer or reply to valid points.

You have no valid points. All you have is unsubstantiated BS that has so many flaw in it that it makes a spaghetti sieve look like a viable option to bail water on the Titanic...

 

[BSR]

Feel free to ask any posters with a legitimate post count (for purposes of having read enough of my posts) whether or not I refuse to criticize the team, or individuals associated with this team.

Then, realize that your post was garbage, and continues to be garbage. And, for the record, when Brady threw the short pass to Ridley on that drive, Ridley dropped the ball.

As I said, you clearly were not actually paying attention.

Heck, I've even made the same exact criticisms of Brady in recent games, but tonight didn't even come close to warranting it. I don't know how anyone comes out of tonight's game and blames Brady. He was awesome for most of this game.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Think back about how badly he crumbles in these big moments. Against the colts on the famous 4 and 2. Against the colts in 10 he couldn't engineer a drive to close it out, James sanders saved him with a pick though. Against the giants last year in both the regular season and the super bowl his drives sputtered giving the ball back to Eli with just enough time left. Against the colts in the 06 championship game he needed just one more first down and couldn't get it. Against the ravens last year in the title game he could not ice it, instead he threw incomplete to Hernandez which gave flacco time for that final drive that ended with a missed kick.

What's funny is that we thought a first down should ice the game tonight with 4:00 left, and the Patriots got not one, not two, but three. The Pats got the ball to mid-field with two minutes left and made the Ravens burn two timeouts. Brady was pinpoint accurate throughout that series.

colts on the famous 4 and 2.

Threw a perfect pass to Faulk, who ran the pattern to a T. Problem was they got a bad spot and couldn't challenge, as BB had already used up his challenges. Designed play, perfectly executed. Blame the coaching.

Against the colts in 10 he couldn't engineer a drive to close it out, James sanders saved him with a pick though.

One regular season game in a handful of games in a season where the Pats went 14-2. I bet that in those other 14 games, there were no "close-out" drives, right?

Against the giants last year in both the regular season and the super bowl his drives sputtered giving the ball back to Eli with just enough time left.

You are incorrect on the first game. Brady threw the go-ahead TD and gave Eli the ball back. For the SB, you must have missed the game and all of the offseason talk detailing the dropped passes on those drives.

Against the colts in the 06 championship game he needed just one more first down and couldn't get it

Really? A 34-point output and game-icing ball into the hands of the bug-eyed Reche Caldwell isn't enough for you?

Against the ravens last year in the title game he could not ice it, instead he threw incomplete to Hernandez which gave flacco time for that final drive that ended with a missed kick.

Admittedly, it was not his game, as the Ravens D owned him all game. Not sure if I'd blame it on unclutchness so much as just being overmatched.

BOTTOM LINE is that with all of these games you are pointing to, one thing that is noticeably missing is a supporting crew, such as a RUNNING GAME. That is why some teams invest in top running backs and fullbacks, as they don't expect the quarterback to run out the clock by passing the football. That is illogical and doesn't work. It's not really the QBs job to run out the clock with an awkward, "safe-pass" philosophy that is designed to both keep the clock moving yet throw potential clock-killing and turnover-producing passes. By your own insinuation, you are claiming that it's Brady responsibility to single-handedly close out football games with a lead. The running game is "unclutch" if anything. It's always 2nd and 11 or 3rd and 8 in virtually of all these examples.

I've yet to hear you name a missed pass, interception, bad decision, or an example of choking. Failure to execute in these situations depends on your definition of failure. You have to remember that worst-case scenario is a turnover, not a lack of first down.

Hey, let's just accept. It's a salary-cap league designed for parity. You can't have it all. It's also very tough to win on the road and win in the playoffs. These aren't the days of having Jerry Rice and Roger Craig, or Michael Irvin or Emmit Smith. You get one or the other. Brady does a darn good job for what he has, but a heavy passing offense has its limitations as well. These situations at the end of games with a lead is one of those limitations. Overall, this is one of the best offenses in the NFL.

 

[12ClutchFactor]

And, for the record, when Brady threw the short pass to Ridley on that drive, Ridley dropped the ball.

As I said, you clearly were not actually paying attention.

Thank you. Finally a legitimate response about the content of the game. Ridley did drop that pass, but would Welker or Gronk on a quick hit over the middle, where the blitz came from, not have been a decent option there?

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

The other popular retort when people are incapable of formulating a logical answer or reply to valid points.

No,I believe you are a Patriots fan...but I also assume there may be some mentally challengable attributes included in the bundle.