Danger!! Danger, Will Robinson!!

[Off The Grid]

Before I'm publicly hanged, allow me to say that I am OPTIMISTIC about this season ~ clearly more so than most ~ and believe we are on the brink of a VERY strong stretch run that may possibly take us all the way...

But for THIS game in particular...

1 ~ Young Quarter Backs who've had two years to master a System, yet have produced virtually no tape in that System off of which to discern their tendencies and weaknesses are every DC's NIGHTMARE. Tyler Palko fits that to a T...And if he DOES FacePlant, his back up is none other than the scrappy, savvy, diligent, brilliant, and physically talented Ricky Stanzi.

2 ~ Romeo Crennel. History is replete with examples of old OC's and DC's coming back to haunt their old team. Simple reasons: First off, they know where all the chinks in the armor are. More importantly: They speak the Systemic language fluently.

3 ~ Although last week's efforts were ASTONISHING, considering the annual devastation of our roster ~ and indeed give GREAT hope that we're actually going to be able to be competitive, going forward!! ~ the fact remains that we have a LOT of guys in our Back 7 who simply aren't qualified for the jobs they're holding...That reality IMMENSELY exacerbates the danger of going against a QB on whom we have little or no BOOK.

***

The Patriots are favored by 16.5.

I would NOT lay those points!!

Just doing my part to assure that we actually win this thing, 38-3!!

 

[letekro]

Points well taken. Just hoping for a W. Not expecting style points tonight.

 

[upstater1]

Palko is awful. I'd rather have Billie Joe Hobert back there.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

Before I'm publicly hanged, allow me to say that I am OPTIMISTIC about this season ~ clearly more so than most ~ and believe we are on the brink of a VERY strong stretch run that may possibly take us all the way...

But for THIS game in particular...

1 ~ Young Quarter Backs who've had two years to master a System, yet have produced virtually no tape in that System off of which to discern their tendencies and weaknesses are every DC's NIGHTMARE. Tyler Palko fits that to a T...And if he DOES FacePlant, his back up is none other than the scrappy, savvy, diligent, brilliant, and physically talented Ricky Stanzi.

2 ~ Romeo Crennel. History is replete with examples of old OC's and DC's coming back to haunt their old team. Simple reasons: First off, they know where all the chinks in the armor are. More importantly: They speak the Systemic language fluently.

3 ~ Although last week's efforts were ASTONISHING, considering the annual devastation of our roster ~ and indeed give GREAT hope that we're actually going to be able to be competitive, going forward!! ~ the fact remains that we have a LOT of guys in our Back 7 who simply aren't qualified for the jobs they're holding...That reality IMMENSELY exacerbates the danger of going against a QB on whom we have little or no BOOK.

***

The Patriots are favored by 16.5.

I would NOT lay those points!!

Just doing my part to assure that we actually win this thing, 38-3!!

Does not compute! I do agree that this game will not be a walk in the park. Lets just hope Palko is as bad as most make him out to be. I do however believe the Pats come out with a W

 

[JackBauer]

The usual pregame pearl clutching notwithstanding, I see us winning this game handily.

 

[PatsDeb]

Before I'm publicly hanged, allow me to say that I am OPTIMISTIC about this season ~ clearly more so than most ~ and believe we are on the brink of a VERY strong stretch run that may possibly take us all the way...

But for THIS game in particular...

1 ~ Young Quarter Backs who've had two years to master a System, yet have produced virtually no tape in that System off of which to discern their tendencies and weaknesses are every DC's NIGHTMARE. Tyler Palko fits that to a T...And if he DOES FacePlant, his back up is none other than the scrappy, savvy, diligent, brilliant, and physically talented Ricky Stanzi.

2 ~ Romeo Crennel. History is replete with examples of old OC's and DC's coming back to haunt their old team. Simple reasons: First off, they know where all the chinks in the armor are. More importantly: They speak the Systemic language fluently.

3 ~ Although last week's efforts were ASTONISHING, considering the annual devastation of our roster ~ and indeed give GREAT hope that we're actually going to be able to be competitive, going forward!! ~ the fact remains that we have a LOT of guys in our Back 7 who simply aren't qualified for the jobs they're holding...That reality IMMENSELY exacerbates the danger of going against a QB on whom we have little or no BOOK.

***

The Patriots are favored by 16.5.

I would NOT lay those points!!

Just doing my part to assure that we actually win this thing, 38-3!!

I was thinking about these points too and I hope the Pats aren't expecting a gimme (which I doubt THEY are, even if most of their fans are). In a perverse way, however, I wonder if our D's lack of experience in the secondary will help. BB has had problems in the past with QBs for whom there is no tale of the tape, because presumably he studies opponents ad nauseum and then goes out and tells his experienced guys on D how to play them. Now he is forced to play it straight and a bit on the fly against every team - stay pretty basic and hope the guys you're putting out there will be where they are supposed to be, and coach 'em up during the game. Maybe see if you can continue to release the pass rush a little more this week to get an inexperienced QB to wither under the pressure. It worked against the Jets. Isn't KC's o-line pretty bad too?

 

[Rob0729]

Palko is awful. I'd rather have Billie Joe Hobert back there.

Wait a second! There is no shame for getting cut by the UFL and CFL in the same year. Both leagues are far superior to the NFL.

Seriously, people look at how the Pats had problems with Matt Flynn last year and assume that they will have problems with any back up in their first start. Palko has bounced around three leagues in his career never catching on anywhere.

He is hot garbage. Matt Flynn may end up starting somewhere some day because he is one of the better back ups in the league. I don't see the comparisons.

Also, about Romeo. The Pats played the Browns in 2007 and put up 34 points on the Browns led by Crennel. I also don't believe Crennel knows the chinks in the armour anymore than most coaches at this point since there aren't many players left from 2004 and the offensive system has evolved a bit since Crennel left.

The Chiefs defense isn't very good. It is pretty average. The Chiefs' offense wasn't very good with Cassel. I think the Pats not only cover the spread, but win in a route. I am frequently wrong about these things as most are, but I am not worried about tonight at all.

And before anyone says anything, I am not suiting up so my overconfidence is irrelevant to the game.

 

[TruthSeeker]

On any given Sunday (Or Monday or Thursday). You never know. After watching the Giants lose to the Eagles, minus the Eagles best player (Vick) and others, then realizing the Pats lost to this same team (Giants). Makes me realize anything could happen. Hoping the GOOD Patriots show up. This is almost a must win, with the Eagles coming up.

 

[Off The Grid]

Seriously, people look at how the Pats had problems with Matt Flynn last year and assume that they will have problems with any back up in their first start. Palko has bounced around three leagues in his career never catching on anywhere.

He is hot garbage.

Matt Flynn may end up starting somewhere some day because he is one of the better back ups in the league.

I don't see the comparisons.

Guess what??

YOU'RE the only one making the comparisons!! :bricks:

Matt Flynn was merely Example #3847 of a sketchy situation. :snob:

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Excellent Points, remember what Ryan did with the Pack last year....

Hopefully by the end of the night the Cheifs will be crying.....

 

[Rob0729]

Guess what??

YOU'RE the only one making the comparisons!! :bricks:

Matt Flynn was merely Example #3847 of a sketchy situation. :snob:

Please name the 3847 first time QB starters that the Pats have faced and struggled against.

In fact, name the last back up the Pats have even lost to a back up QB. I think it was AJ Feely (who actually became a starter for a while at a different time not due to injuries) in 2004. Clearly that tells me that this is a huge problem since the Pats lost to a back up QB seven years ago. Remember the Pats beat the two back ups they faced last year in Flynn and Shaun King.


I'm not the only one making the comparison. I have read the Matt Flynn reference over and over again. My point is people focus on the few first times the Pats struggled against back ups and think it is some kind of a rule.

 

[Rob0729]

Excellent Points, remember what Ryan did with the Pack last year....

Hopefully by the end of the night the Cheifs will be crying.....

It was Matt Flynn and he appears to be a far better player than Palko. I mean the guy beat out second round pick Brian Bohm as Rodger's primary back up. He looks to be a Matt Cassel type of player who might turn into a starter for another team some day.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

 

[makoute]

On any given Sunday (Or Monday or Thursday). You never know. After watching the Giants lose to the Eagles, minus the Eagles best player (Vick) and others, then realizing the Pats lost to this same team (Giants). Makes me realize anything could happen. Hoping the GOOD Patriots show up. This is almost a must win, with the Eagles coming up.

That shouldn't really shock anyone, the Eagles are a pretty talented team, who has underachieved this season. The Pats certainly should not take them lightly two weeks from now.

 

[letekro]

Please name the 3847 first time QB starters that the Pats have faced and struggled against.

In fact, name the last back up the Pats have even lost to a back up QB. I think it was AJ Feely (who actually became a starter for a while at a different time not due to injuries) in 2004. Clearly that tells me that this is a huge problem since the Pats lost to a back up QB seven years ago. Remember the Pats beat the two back ups they faced last year in Flynn and Shaun King.


I'm not the only one making the comparison. I have read the Matt Flynn reference over and over again. My point is people focus on the few first times the Pats struggled against back ups and think it is some kind of a rule.

I think a lot of it comes from AJ Feeley, who gave fits to two of the best teams in NFL history. Those teams went 35-3 and one loss and another near miss are attributable to him, so he stands out. I certainly don't recall the Pats having any trouoble with Kellen Clemens, Kyle Boller or Cleo Lemon to name a few.

 

[Rob0729]

I think a lot of it comes from AJ Feeley, who gave fits to two of the best teams in NFL history. Those teams went 35-3 and one loss and another near miss are attributable to him, so he stands out. I certainly don't recall the Pats having any trouoble with Kellen Clemens, Kyle Boller or Cleo Lemon to name a few.

A few things to prove your point about the three QBs you mentioned:

- Kyle Boller was a first round pick and a many year starter for the Ravens. Even so, Kyle Boller in his first start against the Patriots (in 2004), his stats were 15 for 35 for 94 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT, and 4 sacks. He had a horrible first game vs. the Pats. Palko is a career journeyman who has washed out with multiple teams in three leagues.

- Cleo Lemon really never had a good game vs. the Pats. Here are his stats against the Pats:

2007

Game 1: 24 for 37 for 236 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT and sacked 3 times
Game 2: 18 for 41 for 171 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs, and sacked 7 times

- Kellen Clemons has never started a game vs. the Pats and has never passed for more than 10 passes in a game vs. the Pats (in garbage time).

Again, this whole "the Pats struggle vs. most or all first time QBs" is a media created myth because there has been some extreme examples like Matt Flynn last year and AJ Feeley in 2004. So of the three examples you gave me, one QB had a miserable first outing, one had a mediocre one, and one never started against the Pats in your career. The two of the three who actually did play against the Pats, they disprove the theory.

 

[letekro]

A few things to prove your point about the three QBs you mentioned:

- Kyle Boller was a first round pick and a many year starter for the Ravens. Even so, Kyle Boller in his first start against the Patriots (in 2004), his stats were 15 for 35 for 94 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT, and 4 sacks. He had a horrible first game vs. the Pats. Palko is a career journeyman who has washed out with multiple teams in three leagues.

- Cleo Lemon really never had a good game vs. the Pats. Here are his stats against the Pats:

2007

Game 1: 24 for 37 for 236 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT and sacked 3 times
Game 2: 18 for 41 for 171 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs, and sacked 7 times

- Kellen Clemons has never started a game vs. the Pats and has never passed for more than 10 passes in a game vs. the Pats (in garbage time).

Again, this whole "the Pats struggle vs. most or all first time QBs" is a media created myth because there has been some extreme examples like Matt Flynn last year and AJ Feeley in 2004. So of the three examples you gave me, one QB had a miserable first outing, one had a mediocre one, and one never started against the Pats in your career. The two of the three who actually did play against the Pats, they disprove the theory.

Actually, Clemens did start against the Pats. He threw a pick on his first pass and then Richard Seymour knocked him out of the game on his second attempt.

 

[Rob0729]

Actually, Clemens did start against the Pats. He threw a pick on his first pass and then Richard Seymour knocked him out of the game on his second attempt.

Sorry, must have forgotten that one. I will defer to your memory on that.

 

[363839]

I like the optimism but I really don't know which team is going out there tonight...the team that lost 2 straight or the team that beat the Jets last week.

 

[Off The Grid]

Before I'm publicly hanged, allow me to say that I am OPTIMISTIC about this season ~ clearly more so than most ~ and believe we are on the brink of a VERY strong stretch run that may possibly take us all the way...

But for THIS game in particular...

1 ~ Young Quarter Backs who've had two years to master a System, yet have produced virtually no tape in that System off of which to discern their tendencies and weaknesses are every DC's NIGHTMARE. Tyler Palko fits that to a T...And if he DOES FacePlant, his back up is none other than the scrappy, savvy, diligent, brilliant, and physically talented Ricky Stanzi.

2 ~ Romeo Crennel. History is replete with examples of old OC's and DC's coming back to haunt their old team. Simple reasons: First off, they know where all the chinks in the armor are. More importantly: They speak the Systemic language fluently.

3 ~ Although last week's efforts were ASTONISHING, considering the annual devastation of our roster ~ and indeed give GREAT hope that we're actually going to be able to be competitive, going forward!! ~ the fact remains that we have a LOT of guys in our Back 7 who simply aren't qualified for the jobs they're holding...That reality IMMENSELY exacerbates the danger of going against a QB on whom we have little or no BOOK.

***

The Patriots are favored by 16.5.

I would NOT lay those points!!

Just doing my part to assure that we actually win this thing, 38-3!!

Seriously, people look at how the Pats had problems with Matt Flynn last year and assume that they will have problems with any back up in their first start.

I don't see the comparisons.

Guess what??

YOU'RE the only one making the comparisons!! :bricks:

Matt Flynn was merely Example #3847 of a sketchy situation. :snob:

Please name the 3847 first time QB starters that the Pats have faced and struggled against.

In fact, name the last back up the Pats have even lost to a back up QB. I think it was AJ Feely (who actually became a starter for a while at a different time not due to injuries) in 2004. Clearly that tells me that this is a huge problem since the Pats lost to a back up QB seven years ago. Remember the Pats beat the two back ups they faced last year in Flynn and Shaun King.


I'm not the only one making the comparison. I have read the Matt Flynn reference over and over again. My point is people focus on the few first times the Pats struggled against back ups and think it is some kind of a rule.

1 ~ When you first posted on the previous page, you WERE the only one here drawing ~ or, rather: JUMPING to ~ the Flynn comparison. Sorry. You LOSE.

2 ~ You seem to be having serious issues processing this simple fact, but I'll try once more: MY POINT WAS NOT SPECIFIC TO THE PATS.

3 ~ Just because you were lazy and made a false assumption and I called you on it is no reason to whine about it and lash out at me. You COULD just admit that you made a mistake, jumped to a false conclusion, and that I busted you on it...But I won't be holding my breath.