Bill Belichick Has Only Himself To Blame For This Mess On Defense

[Snake Eyes]

Actually, it's not about Hitler, it's about believing something just because it's in print, but you know that. It's about finding a point of view that is seemingly rational by supporting it with concrete and distorted facts but the premise is in fact flawed and in my example, insane.

I see the same games you do. Though, execution is more of an issue for me at times, so that would be coaching. Maybe BB isn't quite so magnificent a coach anymore. The same mistakes keep being repeated.

I don't know but I am not going to whine and cry about it. (well unless we lose in the playoffs to the Jets. But there is a price to success.)

But enjoy yourself. See, no totalitarian thoughts there.

No, the post is as stupid as ever. If you think facts are distorted then feel free to point them out and refute his argument, otherwise just continue to make a fool of yourself and I'm sure many here will find much amusement in it.

 

[BSR]

So since 06 the SB winner has been
06 - 23th
07 - 17th
08 - 1st
09 - 18th
10 - 2nd

So it seems to me whatever teams defense is playing the best at the end of the year has a good shot at winning the SB.
This team just needs to work on getting better every week and hopefully by Dec-Jan they're playing well and find their stride.

Yeah...I don't know if I necessarily buy that. You typically don't flip a switch at the end of the year and become good. There are exceptions like 06 and 07 but I still think that in today's NFL winning comes down to two things, throwing the ball and stopping the pass. We have throwing the ball covered but our problem the last few years has been without a doubt pass defense.

Even looking over the list there, the last three Superbowl winners were top three in defensive passer rating the year they won their respective championships. The Giants weren't top three in their superbowl year but nobody has to remind us about how good their pass rush was and that talent was their the entire year. I think the only anomaly was the 06 colts which was an aberration. The Bears and Patriots that year (the two teams that should have met in the superbowl) were #2 and #3 respectively.

In the end, we can't expect anything from this team if they can't fix their pass defense problems. And if they can't, BB is really going to need to do some very critical self evaluation as to what went wrong and how to fix it. There is obviously plenty of time to turn it around this year but I think its fair to be reasonably concerned. I say reasonably because I think much of the criticism goes over the top.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Hmmm...add in the fact that the defense is being judged based upon 3 games...

No, it's based upon a pattern that's been occurring for years: when the defense crumbles when it matters most, the 3 games this season just bring to light how bad its become.

 

[Clonamery]

No, the post is as stupid as ever. If you think facts are distorted then feel free to point them out and refute his argument, otherwise just continue to make a fool of yourself and I'm sure many here will find much amusement in it.

You sound irrational.

And now you are using the circular reasoning that you condemned Tunescribe of using.

 

[Clonamery]

There is obviously plenty of time to turn it around this year but I think its fair to be reasonably concerned. I say reasonably because I think much of the criticism goes over the top.

Thank you.....

 

[Fencer]

The Patriots' elite starters are Brady, Mankins, Welker, Gronkowski, Wilfork, Mayo, and McCourty. The article was a little off when it denigrated Wilfork and Mayo. Of those, the two youngest are struggling a bit after a screwed up offseason, although in Gronk's case the symptom is just an excess of penalties. That's all fine, and 6 elite players -- at a broad mix in terms of value-of-the-position -- is fine.

The middle class has been more disappointing. Of the low end Pro Bowlers, All-Pros, and Super Bowl MVPs, Meriweather was cut, Koppen was IRed, Vollmer has been hurt, Ochocinco has been a slow study, and Haynesworth hasn't been on the field much; only Light and Branch have lived up to hopes.

Of the other players with flashy ability (STs aside), Bodden isn't wholly back yet, Dowling is injury-prone, Wright is predictably hurt, Pryor got IRed, Spikes hasn't fit into the new offensive scheme yet, Chung keeps getting nicked up, Hernandez keeps getting nicked up, the veteran pass rusher additions haven't done much, and Cunningham hasn't even proved he belongs on this list. Only Solder and the returning RBs have lived up to expectations, and they haven't been all that great.

 

[Snake Eyes]

You sound irrational.

And now you are using the circular reasoning that you condemned Tunescribe of using.

Interesting, please explain EXACTLY how I'm using circular reasoning, if not feel free to apologize and admit your mistake.

 

[Clonamery]

Interesting, please explain EXACTLY how I'm using circular reasoning, if not feel free to apologize and admit your mistake.

Okaaayyy. I was wrong and I admit my mistake. I hope you feel better and have a good day.

 

[robbomango]

it's BBs new goal line D, give up the pass and run until they hit the redzone and pray for 3 n out and a blocked field goal. it'll work one of these days.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

A few pipe dreamers see the defense as one that will 'gel' as time goes on

I don't see how a defense with such a horrid start will be anything but mediocre all season.

Sure,most likely there will be several games where the D looks pretty decent only to fall back into reality the next week when it gives up 35 points.

I don't trust the defense as far as I can throw it and really find it hard to think it will be playoff caliber if we get in the tournament.

There is going to have to be tons of scoring and little defense come playoff time for the Pats to bring home a Trophy this year.....and I think that might be unprecedented as a team with a mediocre defense rarely if ever wins a SB.

 

[FalconHeavy]

A few pipe dreamers see the defense as one that will 'gel' as time goes on

I don't see how a defense with such a horrid start will be anything but mediocre all season.

Sure,most likely there will be several games where the D looks pretty decent only to fall back into reality the next week when it gives up 35 points.

I don't trust the defense as far as I can throw it and really find it hard to think it will be playoff caliber if we get in the tournament.

There is going to have to be tons of scoring and little defense come playoff time for the Pats to bring home a Trophy this year.....and I think that might be unprecedented as a team with a mediocre defense rarely if ever wins a SB.

We can't even get in to playoffs with this kind of D, forget bringing home another Lombardy. Lets take a quick check

NO PASS RUSH - check
NO SAFETIES - check
CAN'T STOP PASS CATCING RBs - CHECK
CAN'T DO DIDDLY SQUAT WITH TALL WRs - CHECK

did I miss anything ? unless all this is a genius plan not show anything in the early season and BB has something magic in store for later in the season

Don't think TFB and Welker can do this alone..

 

[robbomango]

A few pipe dreamers see the defense as one that will 'gel' as time goes on

I don't see how a defense with such a horrid start will be anything but mediocre all season.

Sure,most likely there will be several games where the D looks pretty decent only to fall back into reality the next week when it gives up 35 points.

I don't trust the defense as far as I can throw it and really find it hard to think it will be playoff caliber if we get in the tournament.

There is going to have to be tons of scoring and little defense come playoff time for the Pats to bring home a Trophy this year.....and I think that might be unprecedented as a team with a mediocre defense rarely if ever wins a SB.

If we can establish a dynamic running game with ridley mid to late season would that help our defense out by keeping them off the field? it seems to stop us when other teams are grinding us down w the run.

 

[Haley]

It baffles me. I don't understand how a defense with Mayo, Wilfork and Haynesworth on the line at the same time doesn't absolutely maul. They should be able to be flanked with grandmothers and still be effective. How is this not working? It is just so frustrating to envision so much potential but see only mediocrity.

 

[FalconHeavy]

If we can establish a dynamic running game with ridley mid to late season would that help our defense out by keeping them off the field? it seems to stop us when other teams are grinding us down w the run.

Looks like this is the only viable option until we figure out how to tinker this rag tag group to a half decent defense.

This is what a lot of folks are screaming here. Look I understand that we have a GOAT QB, GRONK and Welker but at this time the best D we can play is to keep the O on the field and kill the clock

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

If we can establish a dynamic running game with ridley mid to late season would that help our defense out by keeping them off the field? it seems to stop us when other teams are grinding us down w the run.

I have been screaming that here for weeks now that we need more run,less pass.

It's great having one of the best QBs to ever play the game,but sometimes coaches put way too much burden on him and don't give the RBs a chance to show their stuff.

On offense we are the Indianapolis Colts of the mid decade,We are the Rams of the early decade and we are the Chargers of the 80s.......that needs to change to more clock usage.

Dan Marino never won a SB despite having two fantastic WRs and a great offense but too much importance by the Dolphins front office was used to put great players around Marino but little on defense and that was a reason why they never got a Championship....the same thing is going on here.....enough great talent around Brady but not enough on D

 

[BSR]

If we can establish a dynamic running game with ridley mid to late season would that help our defense out by keeping them off the field? it seems to stop us when other teams are grinding us down w the run.

The offense has run the second most plays and has the most first downs in the league. How much more efficient can they be? At some point the D needs to do its job as well.

 

[JackBauer]

We can't even get in to playoffs with this kind of D, forget bringing home another Lombardy. Lets take a quick check

NO PASS RUSH - check
NO SAFETIES - check
CAN'T STOP PASS CATCING RBs - CHECK
CAN'T DO DIDDLY SQUAT WITH TALL WRs - CHECK

did I miss anything ? unless all this is a genius plan not show anything in the early season and BB has something magic in store for later in the season

Don't think TFB and Welker can do this alone..

Well, damn, why even bother playing the remaining regular season games? Might as well throw in the towel now and try again next year.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

It baffles me. I don't understand how a defense with Mayo, Wilfork and Haynesworth on the line at the same time doesn't absolutely maul. They should be able to be flanked with grandmothers and still be effective. How is this not working? It is just so frustrating to envision so much potential but see only mediocrity.

Mayo is a good player and a tackling machine but only a rare occasion does he get sent to get to the QB

Maybe the team doesn't see him much as a Pass Rusher and uses him differently,but for Mayo to be at his best he needs to get to the QB regularly.

Teams with ILBs who pressure up the middle consistently are those teams with great defense.

 

[BSR]

A few pipe dreamers see the defense as one that will 'gel' as time goes on

I don't see how a defense with such a horrid start will be anything but mediocre all season.

This isn't a hard one to answer at all. Most of the pieces are there, it is just that they are new and learning a new system. There are still plenty of good players and they should be playing better. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they turned into a good defense by the end of the year. It wouldn't shock me if they didn't either. At this point I think it is silly to do anything but reserve judgement. I think this team and especially this coach as earned that much.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Well, damn, why even bother playing the remaining regular season games? Might as well throw in the towel now and try again next year.

I wouldn't say the season is over by any means and we will get to the playoffs as long as Brady puts 30 on the scoreboard weekly....we will lose all or most games where the score doesn't leave the 20s

There won't be 17-14 games that win with this team....they must be 35-24 scores weekly.,Its how this years team is constructed as it has been the past few years.