My Bizzarro World Patriots Mock

[VrabelMayeWin]

Trade Mankins for 2nd round pick
Trade Welker for high 3rd round pick
Trade 1a, 2b to Washington for #10 overall
1a (#10) - Patriots Draft Julio Jones
1b (#28) - Patriots Draft Danny Watkins
2a (Carolina pick) - Patriots Draft Kyle Rudolph
2b (Mankins pick) - Patriots draft Stefan Wisniewski
3a (Moss pick) - Patriots Draft OLB of choice (Sheard, Acho, there's some viable choices at this spot)
3b (Welker pick) Patriots Draft Stephen Schilling
3c (Patriots own #3) Patriots Draft Greg Romeus or Front Seven Player of choice
4 - Patriots Draft Bilal Powell (or RB of your choice)

I know, it's the least likely scenario in the world and we can't even trade players right now. But if we could this would be my dream scenario.

Brand new interior line of ready to play guys. Watkins can start now, Wisniewski and Schilling can compete at one G and Wisniewski can replace Koppen in 2012 with Schilling being the other guard.

Juilio Jones and Branch are our starters this year, in 2012 Jones and Price are the starting WR with Edelman in the slot.

Rudolph and Gronk give us the 2 TE offense from heaven and Hernandez is a pain in the ass to defenses in a variety of ways.

And I threw a couple of OLB shots in there along with a RB that we need with Taylor aging out.

I could EASILY be talked into a DE over one of the OLB. I just wanted to add a little to the defense while re-doing the offense in large part.

Bottom line we now have a real future at WR, crazy awesome TE, great competition in the middle of the OL. This is bizzarro world but while I know most here will hate it this is my dream scenario.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Trade Mankins for 2nd round pick
Trade Welker for high 3rd round pick
Trade 1a, 2b to Washington for #10 overall
1a (#10) - Patriots Draft Julio Jones
1b (#28) - Patriots Draft Danny Watkins
2a (Carolina pick) - Patriots Draft Kyle Rudolph
2b (Mankins pick) - Patriots draft Stefan Wisniewski
3a (Moss pick) - Patriots Draft OLB of choice (Sheard, Acho, there's some viable choices at this spot)
3b (Welker pick) Patriots Draft Stephen Schilling
3c (Patriots own #3) Patriots Draft Greg Romeus or Front Seven Player of choice
4 - Patriots Draft Bilal Powell (or RB of your choice)

I know, it's the least likely scenario in the world and we can't even trade players right now. But if we could this would be my dream scenario.

Brand new interior line of ready to play guys. Watkins can start now, Wisniewski and Schilling can compete at one G and Wisniewski can replace Koppen in 2012 with Schilling being the other guard.

Juilio Jones and Branch are our starters this year, in 2012 Jones and Price are the starting WR with Edelman in the slot.

Rudolph and Gronk give us the 2 TE offense from heaven and Hernandez is a pain in the ass to defenses in a variety of ways.

And I threw a couple of OLB shots in there along with a RB that we need with Taylor aging out.

I could EASILY be talked into a DE over one of the OLB. I just wanted to add a little to the defense while re-doing the offense in large part.

Bottom line we now have a real future at WR, crazy awesome TE, great competition in the middle of the OL. This is bizzarro world but while I know most here will hate it this is my dream scenario.

I would have no problem with drafting Rudolph if we can stash him in IR for a year. Once Crumpler's contract is over, he Rudolph would make an excellent blocking/receiving TE and when combined with Gronkowski, it would be difficult for defenses to know which TE was staying in and which was going out in the pattern.

I like the three interior O Line guys, especially if Boling replaces Schilling.

Acho could be decent value in the third round.

I like Jones a lot in our offense. I worry about the drops, but his blocking is amazing.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

I would have no problem with drafting Rudolph if we can stash him in IR for a year.

I would only take Rudolph there if his health checks out. I'd have no problem keeping 4 TE and would love Rudolph to get a year of Crumpler's leadership and knowledge.

I like Jones a lot in our offense. I worry about the drops, but his blocking is amazing.

Jones has average hands, no doubt, but not bad ones. Like you I would hope he could spend an offseason on the jugs machine but his hands are workable though not a positive.

Imagine having Jones, Gronk and Rudolph as starters, the size/athleticism combination is startling to think of.

 

[supafly]

Belichick Fan--did you just say that your dream scenario would include trading Wes Welker for a 3rd rd pick?

 

[supafly]

Wait---not only are you trading Welker for a 3rd, you are trading him for the option of picking up.. Stephen Schilling?

While I can see the benefits of trading Welker prior to signing him long term, (although I do not agree..at all) I would certainly think that most teams would offer us a lot higher of a pick than a 3rd rder. I wouldn't trade him for a 2nd rder, as I would hold out for AT LEAST a 1st.

He is one of the NFL's elite at his position and skill set.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Oh dear me! It appears the OL gets less mobile (forcing some changes to the offense) and the DL is ignored (Cohen is a lucky guy). The trades alone bespeak some hubris, and once you've acquire Jones, you lose me with good players who are demonstrating the kind of athleticism Scar has seen fit to obtain in the draft in the later rounds. Bizzarro indeed my friend.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Belichick Fan--did you just say that your dream scenario would include trading Wes Welker for a 3rd rd pick?

The changes to the offense were the dream scenario, the trades were more just playing along with the rumors from earlier in the offseason in addition to Bill's tendency to trade players a little before we lose them for nothing.

 

[supafly]

The changes to the offense were the dream scenario, the trades were more just playing along with the rumors from earlier in the offseason in addition to Bill's tendency to trade players a little before we lose them for nothing.

Okay, gotcha. The eventual trade is of course, a possibility, but I'm certainly hoping not.

I like the 2nd rd OLB of choice, taking a shot on Romeus for sure, and maybe the Wiesnewski pick. Not sure about Julio Jones, but like the idea of the potential of a big name playmaker.

 

[supafly]

Also, as far as Price and Jones being the starting splits, w/ edleman in the slot, it sounds okay on paper, but--you have the obvious unknown in both Price and Jones, and potential for a dropoff in the slot too.

FWIW--I like your thinking towards the future though, as that is the main pt

 

[JoeSixPat]

Belichick Fan--did you just say that your dream scenario would include trading Wes Welker for a 3rd rd pick?

Yeah - that's where he lost me too...

But this is a fun little exercise on what could happen if we could trade players and not just draft picks this time around. That's part of my push for negotiations on the CBA rather than litigation. It'd be nice if we actually had that ability going into the draft.

 

[Off The Grid]

To get this out of the way, first...

Trading Wes Welker right now would be CELESTIAL Folly.

It is the ULTIMATE "Sell Low" mistake.

I'll say it again: Major injuries take 18-24 months to FULLY recover from.

If we trade Welker, now, we get a 3rd Rounder ~ or a 4th ~ for him.

If we trade him 12 MONTHS from now ~ after his 96/1200/8 ComeBack Player of The Year Because I've Had Enough Time to Take My Body Back Through The Gears As Is Almost Invariably Necessary As Illustrated By Tom Brady's Recent Performance Campaign ~ then we get consecutive 2nd Rounders at LEAST...IF we are foolish enough to TRADE him!! Just SAYIN'!!

***

All in all, though ~ seriously, having voiced my concerns, above!! ~ I LOVE the Creativity and Passion invested in this Thread!! Well DONE, sir!!

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Even for ME ~ a PSYCHOTIC advocate of hauling in TONS of Tight End ~ Wing Back ~ Wing End Talent ~ drafting Kyle Rudolph is more than I would want to do, considering our other needs and the other Opportunities...but my GOD, do I love that thought!!

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

To get this out of the way, first...

Trading Wes Welker right now would be CELESTIAL Folly.

I should have left that out, I just put it in due to the earlier rumors and to get as many picks as I could to make the point of what direction I'd like to go.

We could easily keep Welker, let him play out the contract, and take out one of the OL or OLB I drafted and the concept of what I was going for remains.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I should have left that out, I just put it in due to the earlier rumors and to get as many picks as I could to make the point of what direction I'd like to go.

We could easily keep Welker, let him play out the contract, and take out one of the OL or OLB I drafted and the concept of what I was going for remains.

FWIW, I think the Patriots are more likely to give Welker an extension than to trade him.

 

[mcsully]

Wow.. You're actually making the team worse in 1 day.. Basically your giving up Mankins and a 1st rounder for a receiver with big questions.. WOW and then to boot, you trade our best WR.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

for a receiver with big questions

I think Jones is one of the safer players in the draft. I'm sure you can name a variety of players in the draft without questions though. My concept may be flawed but I don't buy what you're saying about Jones whose only question to me is that he has average hands.

 

[Off The Grid]

I think Jones is one of the safer players in the draft. I'm sure you can name a variety of players in the draft without questions though. My concept may be flawed but I don't buy what you're saying about Jones whose only question to me is that he has average hands.

Could not agree MORE.

As ARDENTLY as I oppose the idea of spending Top 64 money on "Skill" positions, if I had to draft ONE Wide Out in the 1st Round, over the last FOUR YEARS...it would be my boy Julio JONES!! :rocker:

 

[Patriot Missile]

I think Jones is one of the safer players in the draft. I'm sure you can name a variety of players in the draft without questions though. My concept may be flawed but I don't buy what you're saying about Jones whose only question to me is that he has average hands.

Jones would be hard to argue with. As much heat as Belichick took from a lot of fans last year, including myself for passing on Dez Bryant, he would get quite a fanfare if he pulled this off from a lot of us. Evidently BB knew what he was doing when he passed on Bryant and grabbed McCourty. I'd probably be ok if they got Jones and Wilkerson though. Who am I kidding? I'd be ecstatic. That would be a gift to both sides of the ball.

 

[borg]

To get this out of the way, first...

Trading Wes Welker right now would be CELESTIAL Folly.

It is the ULTIMATE "Sell Low" mistake.

I'll say it again: Major injuries take 18-24 months to FULLY recover from.

If we trade Welker, now, we get a 3rd Rounder ~ or a 4th ~ for him.

If we trade him 12 MONTHS from now ~ after his 96/1200/8 ComeBack Player of The Year Because I've Had Enough Time to Take My Body Back Through The Gears As Is Almost Invariably Necessary As Illustrated By Tom Brady's Recent Performance Campaign ~ then we get consecutive 2nd Rounders at LEAST...IF we are foolish enough to TRADE him!! Just SAYIN'!!

***

All in all, though ~ seriously, having voiced my concerns, above!! ~ I LOVE the Creativity and Passion invested in this Thread!! Well DONE, sir!!

***

Even for ME ~ a PSYCHOTIC advocate of hauling in TONS of Tight End ~ Wing Back ~ Wing End Talent ~ drafting Kyle Rudolph is more than I would want to do, considering our other needs and the other Opportunities...but my GOD, do I love that thought!!

With Welker being a free agent after the '11 season, getting two #2s "12 months from now" would be quite incredible...let's do it")

 

[PatsFaninME]

My dream mock is for belichickfan to get no where near the real patriots draft. That mock would be a disaster for Patriots this year and for future.

I want to see Pats offer the #33 (along with #17) to move up to get Quinn. Then move down from #28 to top of 2nd round (plus a pick in 2012). I'd live to see Pouncey fall that far but if he's gone there is excellent value available.

Plenty of options at RB and WR in the 3rd and I do not believe they need a DE as I have not given up on the young (albeit inexperienced) talent they have on DL.

 

[Off The Grid]

With Welker being a free agent after the '11 season, getting two #2s "12 months from now" would be quite incredible...let's do it")

Is he up, next year?? If so, this would be a VERY smart time to re-up him, while his Market Value is down...And then we COULD trade him, next year, as I hypothesized, COULDN'T we??...Just as I've suggested re-upping Matt Light, and trading HIM, a year or two from now...But I'd still consider it a bad idea: Wes Welker has ALWAYS had "Patriot" stamped all over him.