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The "good for a rebuilding year" talk does not fly with me...

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So if we don't go 15-1 and make it at least to the championship game next year, will next season be considered a disappointment.
 
How much better does anyone really think we will be next year? I do think we will be good but it doesn't matter if you lose like this with a 14-2 season.

(A) McCourty, GRONK, and all the other rookies will have an extra offseason of experience under their belts. BB has said numerous times that the biggest jump usually comes between the first full season and the second.

(B) The Pats go from playing the AFC North to the AFC West, and from the NFC North to the NFC East. I don't see next year's schedule being any harder than this one's.

(C) If the team didn't have so many injuries concentrated in one key position (DL), I think their chances of winning it all would have been much higher. But as it was, they were holding the DL together with duct tape and chicken wire, and it's amazing it didn't completely collapse; the lack of pressure late in the season was a direct consequence (since Wright and Pryor were two of the Pats' best pass-rushing DLs).

(D) The Pats should get a healthy Gostkowski back next season (so said a Globe article shortly after his surgery). If so, that'll provide an immediate boost to special teams that was definitely missing yesterday.
 
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We beat all good teams, #1 seed, and best record in the NFL. no matter what the schedule is next year... You don't get chances like this every year.
 
I don't like the thought of a rebuilding year either, but by all accounts I feel better about the pats now than I did after '07. At that point the defense was old and on a rapid decline with a lot of holes to fill. At this point, they did over-achieve and went 14-2 with a very tough schedule. Their loaded with "uber" draft picks and still have #12 in his prime. The Pats are on the upswing and will only get better as long as they protect the franchise that is Brady.
 
My biggest concern last night was Brady. Not that I would pin the entire loss on him--there were plenty of errors made on offense, defense, and with coaching, as well--but he looked out of it all night.

I went to the game. I was in section 108, right behind the Pats bench, in a low row, so I got a good look. The last game I could afford to attend was the Pats Chargers game in 2007. The difference between the Brady of the two games really stood out to me. Last night I saw him barking at a couple of offensive players on the bench for about 5 seconds. That was it. The rest of the time he sat or meandered around the bench without talking. There was no fire in him.

I'm not trying to bash. Just giving my honest observation. If there's anyone on that team who must know you can't come out flat during the playoffs, it's Brady. It's almost as if that interception in their first drive just sucked the air out of him.

I agree with the OP. I'm not a season ticket holder, so I spent a small fortune on the two tickets for last night's game. I ended up feeling worse for Brady than myself, though. I thought he might get his fourth ring this year, and now I'm unsure that it will happen for him down the road. If they can't get it done after two weeks of preparation, with an MVP quarterback and the greatest coach of his generation, I don't know if they will again.

I just hope to God there's no shutout next season so Brady doesn't lose another year of his career and the team can continue to mature together.
 
Agree for most part Pete...when season first started with new young D and moss gone...figured 10-6, 9-7 because our schedule so tough...but then everything came together and they rattled off 8 wins in row etc. Now expectations increased....The biggest thing that bothers me is losing to the fu(king jests...esp after they and their coach call u every name in the book....that is most painful part...
At the beginning of the year did anyone see the Patriots as a 14-2 team? No.

But that does not *****-ing matter. They DID go 14-2 (#1) and were two home games (against a team they had just beat 45-3 and the historically owned Steelers) from going to the SUPER BOWL. Pre-season expectations are irrelevant, this team has proved they're a SB team since the Steelers game.

Do you know how rare an opportunity like that is? How can you just assume the Patriots will be right back next year? The NFL rarely works like that. Brady had an MVP season, the Patriots set a historical mark of excellence for turnover ratio and our offense was scoring 30+ points a game.

We blew an amazing opportunity to win a Super Bowl. I am not chalking it up as a "good rebuilding season" but rather "this is the third time we clearly should of won the SB and did not". Saying "oh well, good rebuilding seasons" assumes that the team will perform even better next year.

An amazing regular season completely down the drain, all for nothing. We won big, we blew out the elites, we won some tight ones and put together the 2nd most impressive regular season resume of the Belichick era. Hell, we even went into the playoffs EXACTLY how you want, playing your BEST football, off a huge winning streak and clicking on all cylinders, off a bye and against an inferior opponent.

I can't believe it.
 
Good post.....Brady did not look like he had any fire from the TV viewpoint either...same way he looked in 2007...I think ALL confidence was gone after interception


My biggest concern last night was Brady. Not that I would pin the entire loss on him--there were plenty of errors made on offense, defense, and with coaching, as well--but he looked out of it all night.

I went to the game. I was in section 108, right behind the Pats bench, in a low row, so I got a good look. The last game I could afford to attend was the Pats Chargers game in 2007. The difference between the Brady of the two games really stood out to me. Last night I saw him barking at a couple of offensive players on the bench for about 5 seconds. That was it. The rest of the time he sat or meandered around the bench without talking. There was no fire in him.

I'm not trying to bash. Just giving my honest observation. If there's anyone on that team who must know you can't come out flat during the playoffs, it's Brady. It's almost as if that interception in their first drive just sucked the air out of him.

I agree with the OP. I'm not a season ticket holder, so I spent a small fortune on the two tickets for last night's game. I ended up feeling worse for Brady than myself, though. I thought he might get his fourth ring this year, and now I'm unsure that it will happen for him down the road. If they can't get it done after two weeks of preparation, with an MVP quarterback and the greatest coach of his generation, I don't know if they will again.

I just hope to God there's no shutout next season so Brady doesn't lose another year of his career and the team can continue to mature together.
 
I'm not happy the way it ended, but I am still satisfied with the season. This team has a lot to build on to be a contender for the next 3-5 years. Joe Montana Super Bowls were spread out over 9 year and he didn't get his first Super Bowl win until his third year into his career. There was 12 years between Elway's first Super Bowl appearance and his last and he didn't go to his first one until his fourth year. There is still time left with Brady barring injuries.

It sucks that the Pats were in position to go all the way this year and were totally outplayed and outcoached yesterday. But expectations that the Pats will win Super Bowls year after year is just not realistic. There is a reason why in the 49 years of Super Bowls already played only two QBs have more rings than Brady and only one other who has as many as Brady.

I hate to tell you guys, but even if the Pats rebuild this team into quality of the 2004 team, there is no guarantees the Pats ever win another Super Bowl. I'm happy with the direction this team is moving with a great opportunity to improve this offseason by a lot. Yesterday stings, but the future is bright.
 
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At the beginning of the year did anyone see the Patriots as a 14-2 team? No.

But that does not *****-ing matter. They DID go 14-2 (#1) and were two home games (against a team they had just beat 45-3 and the historically owned Steelers) from going to the SUPER BOWL. Pre-season expectations are irrelevant, this team has proved they're a SB team since the Steelers game.

Do you know how rare an opportunity like that is? How can you just assume the Patriots will be right back next year? The NFL rarely works like that. Brady had an MVP season, the Patriots set a historical mark of excellence for turnover ratio and our offense was scoring 30+ points a game.

We blew an amazing opportunity to win a Super Bowl. I am not chalking it up as a "good rebuilding season" but rather "this is the third time we clearly should of won the SB and did not". Saying "oh well, good rebuilding seasons" assumes that the team will perform even better next year.

An amazing regular season completely down the drain, all for nothing. We won big, we blew out the elites, we won some tight ones and put together the 2nd most impressive regular season resume of the Belichick era. Hell, we even went into the playoffs EXACTLY how you want, playing your BEST football, off a huge winning streak and clicking on all cylinders, off a bye and against an inferior opponent.

I can't believe it.

Given that the season evolved the way it did, we all have every right to stand in disbelief that it ended the way it did yesterday for our MVP and his team. Personally, I found myself, a grown adult, being remonstrated by my young children that "Daddy, there isn't a microphone in the TV. They can't hear you screaming in Foxboro."

And, yes, indeed, I agree with those who observe that we lost another great opportunity in 2006 and, well, there's no need even to mention how we all felt when we realized that we were going to be "18--1."

If the glass is half empty, we are rooting for a team that has forgotten how to close and that now leaves its fans in perpetual "disbelief."

But if you look back at the Patriots' SB wins, each one of them left one or more teams and their fans in similar disbelief.

In 2001/02, we beat an arrogant Steelers team on their home turf in the AFCCG without our starting QB. Then in the SB we beat a 14 point favorite that was being touted at the time as "the next dynasty." That's without even mentioning how the Raiders and their fans feel until this day about "the tuck." In one year, we left three good teams in disbelief.

In 2004/05, again, we thwarted the Steelers at home in a Championship game, leaving them with the disbelieving feeling that they were supposed to be the real dynasty. In 2003/04, we stole the dream of MVP Peyton Manning and the Colts on a memorable, snowy day in Foxboro.

That's football. That's the NFL.

A series of three or four single game "seasons" that determine who hoists the Lombardi and who stands "in disbelief," certain that they would have prevailed were it "best of five or seven."

Not convinced? Look back to the 1970's and 1980's when Landry and Staubach had the misfortune to lose two SB's in four years at the hands of Noll and Bradshaw. Look at a very good, Elway-led, Broncos team that fell in two of three SB's to Joe Gibbs and the Redskins and Joe Montana and the niners. Look at Bud Grant and Fran Tarkenton who lost three of four SB's to teams led by Shula, Noll and Madden.

We don't yet know where Ryan and Sanchez will end up in comparison to those other teams. A flash in the pan? Maybe. But they'll have been to the Conference Championship twice in a row, so we might have to recalibrate that assessment.

There's a reason that, across 44 years and their 88 contestants, only two franchises have been to more SB's than the Patriots six (Cowboys at eight and Steelers at seven) and that only three teams have won more titles than the Pats three (Steelers at six, Cowboys and niners at five) and that many other teams have ended their seasons "in disbelief."

I'm still furious at what happened yesterday and, yes, in a little disbelief. But, I don't see it as "completely down the drain, all for nothing." Franchises become "great" by competing in the trenches for a title, year after year. We may have come up short yesterday, but the Patriots have earned their place among the truly elite franchises of a very difficult league. We'll be back.
 
At the beginning of the year did anyone see the Patriots as a 14-2 team? No.

But that does not *****-ing matter. They DID go 14-2 (#1) and were two home games (against a team they had just beat 45-3 and the historically owned Steelers) from going to the SUPER BOWL. Pre-season expectations are irrelevant, this team has proved they're a SB team since the Steelers game.

Do you know how rare an opportunity like that is? How can you just assume the Patriots will be right back next year? The NFL rarely works like that. Brady had an MVP season, the Patriots set a historical mark of excellence for turnover ratio and our offense was scoring 30+ points a game.

We blew an amazing opportunity to win a Super Bowl. I am not chalking it up as a "good rebuilding season" but rather "this is the third time we clearly should of won the SB and did not". Saying "oh well, good rebuilding seasons" assumes that the team will perform even better next year.

An amazing regular season completely down the drain, all for nothing. We won big, we blew out the elites, we won some tight ones and put together the 2nd most impressive regular season resume of the Belichick era. Hell, we even went into the playoffs EXACTLY how you want, playing your BEST football, off a huge winning streak and clicking on all cylinders, off a bye and against an inferior opponent.

I can't believe it.

Your screen name and sig photo say it all.
 
I'm still furious at what happened yesterday and, yes, in a little disbelief. But, I don't see it as "completely down the drain, all for nothing." Franchises become "great" by competing in the trenches for a title, year after year. We may have come up short yesterday, but the Patriots have earned their place among the truly elite franchises of a very difficult league. We'll be back.

Great post.

One thing to add: isn't it telling that a lot of teams STILL consider a game against New England to be "their Super Bowl"?
 
I'm not happy the way it ended, but I am still satisfied with the season. This team has a lot to build on to be a contender for the next 3-5 years. Joe Montana Super Bowls were spread out over 9 year and he didn't get his first Super Bowl win until his third year into his career. There was 12 years between Elway's first Super Bowl appearance and his last and he didn't go to his first one until his fourth year. There is still time left with Brady barring injuries.

It sucks that the Pats were in position to go all the way this year and were totally outplayed and outcoached yesterday. But expectations that the Pats will win Super Bowls year after year is just not realistic. There is a reason why in the 49 years of Super Bowls already played only two QBs have more rings than Brady and only one other who has as many as Brady.

I hate to tell you guys, but even if the Pats rebuild this team into quality of the 2004 team, there is no guarantees the Pats ever win another Super Bowl. I'm happy with the direction this team is moving with a great opportunity to improve this offseason by a lot. Yesterday stings, but the future is bright.

well said - i agree with you
 
We beat ALL FOUR TEAMS who will be playing in the conference championship games next weekend.

How many times in NFL history has that even been done?

And in fact, we BLEW OUT three of them, two on the road.

Yeah, but you wouldn't have settled for a close win - it was a blowout or bust
 
So if we don't go 15-1 and make it at least to the championship game next year, will next season be considered a disappointment.

Losing to the fu--ing Jets made this a lost season (you know 6 vs 1, home field 27-0, Jets yapping the whole week....). A loss to the Steelers in a hard fought game & this is an excellent season.
 
we are rooting for a team that has forgotten how to close and that now leaves its fans in perpetual "disbelief."

You sound like a fan of another team we have had so much fun bashing over the years...
 
I really don't know how anyone come next summer other than the homiest of homers can proclaim a Super Bowl expectation...there have been no signs of anything but playoff letdowns for the past 5 years and I think its more appropriate to wish for a playoff berth AT BEST from now on.
 
I'm still furious at what happened yesterday and, yes, in a little disbelief. But, I don't see it as "completely down the drain, all for nothing." Franchises become "great" by competing in the trenches for a title, year after year. We may have come up short yesterday, but the Patriots have earned their place among the truly elite franchises of a very difficult league. We'll be back.

It has been a good run, no doubt..................but to lose to the fu--ing Jests
 
I really don't know how anyone come next summer other than the homiest of homers can proclaim a Super Bowl expectation...there have been no signs of anything but playoff letdowns for the past 5 years and I think its more appropriate to wish for a playoff berth AT BEST from now on.

"Expecting" a Super Bowl is never realistic before the season begins.
 
I really don't know how anyone come next summer other than the homiest of homers can proclaim a Super Bowl expectation...there have been no signs of anything but playoff letdowns for the past 5 years and I think its more appropriate to wish for a playoff berth AT BEST from now on.

I half agree.

The Playoff expectations will be murky seeing as the pats are 0-3 the last three games.

BUT:

You don't see us winning the division again with all the draft picks, all the Jets departures, and the maturation of the young guys? Hell, I think the pats should get the #1 or #2 seed. The question is what they'll do after it.
 
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