Brady or Belichick: who would you choose

[Drewwho]

There are plenty of HOF QB's

Really??? "plenty" ...and for that the Patriots have had ONE HOF QB. It's Brady for me. I cannot help but remember BB below .500 record w/o Tom Brady. He was 5-11 his first year with the Pats and started 0-2 until Bledsoe was hurt in game 3. These are not opinions, these are facts. Brady has the most wins of any QB in the Superbowl era. People will use the 11-5 Matt Cassel season as a reason to say Belichick, but the Pats also has a very weak, I believe 3rd weakest, schedule in 2008 w/a team coming off of a 16-0 season. If Brady was healthy in 2008, who knows, but I do know they would have made the playoffs!

 

[WhiZa]

I can't gather up enough strength to vote on this poll

 

[ScottieC]

Belichick and his team all the way. Brady is good, but with Belichick eventually you will get a smart good QB whom you can groom and program to fit your agenda.
I think if you give Cassel the education Brady got from Charley and BB, he can be close to what Brady is right now.

"Brady is Good" - Ya think?

Or did you mean to say, "Brady is God". I'm sure that's it.

 

[ScottieC]

Really??? "plenty" ...and for that the Patriots have had ONE HOF QB. It's Brady for me. I cannot help but remember BB below .500 record w/o Tom Brady. He was 5-11 his first year with the Pats and started 0-2 until Bledsoe was hurt in game 3. These are not opinions, these are facts. Brady has the most wins of any QB in the Superbowl era. People will use the 11-5 Matt Cassel season as a reason to say Belichick, but the Pats also has a very weak, I believe 3rd weakest, schedule in 2008 w/a team coming off of a 16-0 season. If Brady was healthy in 2008, who knows, but I do know they would have made the playoffs!

Well, He's right - there are plenty of HOF QB's................enshrined in Canton, OH.

 

[ahmed]

I think if you give Cassel the education Brady got from Charley and BB, he can be close to what Brady is right now.

I am not into insulting people but this is easily the dumbest thing I have ever read on this site, probably on any football site :nono::wha:igsfly:

 

[DarrylS]

Really??? "plenty" ...and for that the Patriots have had ONE HOF QB. It's Brady for me. I cannot help but remember BB below .500 record w/o Tom Brady. He was 5-11 his first year with the Pats and started 0-2 until Bledsoe was hurt in game 3. These are not opinions, these are facts. Brady has the most wins of any QB in the Superbowl era. People will use the 11-5 Matt Cassel season as a reason to say Belichick, but the Pats also has a very weak, I believe 3rd weakest, schedule in 2008 w/a team coming off of a 16-0 season. If Brady was healthy in 2008, who knows, but I do know they would have made the playoffs!

In a team sport it is folly to say that the QB is more important than the coach, this coach has figured out how to find a lot of mix and match parts to create a very good team... he has also created an environment where he gets the players to play to their strengths, time and time again we have seen one of our "stars" move on to mediocrity for other teams.. there are a couple of exceptions, but for the most part they are often not heard of again.. Deion Branch is an excellent example.

Brady is one of the best, if not the best QB's of all time, but there have been other great QB's without ever getting a ring, never mind 3. Realistically BB recognized the talent of TB and took a calculated chance, when that happened NE was awash is naysayers about not putting Bledsoe back in. BB also built a team that plays to Brady's strengths and brought in components to accentuate those strengths..

Because one chooses BB, does not denigrate the accomplishments of Tom Brady..

 

[Bertil]

I will not even entertain the thought. This thread is dead to me...

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Because one chooses BB, does not denigrate the accomplishments of Tom Brady..

I agree. I would also say that choosing Brady is in no way an insult on the coaching accomplishments of Belichick.

 

[4quarters]

without Belichick, there would likely be no Brady. They need each other, but Belichick has built a Dynasty here. Without him the franchise would be much like the Colts. I'll take the 3 in 4 years over the 1 ring Peyton has.

 

[patriotsdynasty12189]

Belichick, I love Tom Brady and all but Belichick is the brains behind the operation. Plus if he has 3 or 4 more drafts like he has had his last 2 with Floyd Reese the Patriots wouldnt need an HOF QB.

 

[Snake Eyes]

I am not into insulting people but this is easily the dumbest thing I have ever read on this site, probably on any football site :nono::wha:igsfly:

Why is it dumb? His comment is nothing more than speculation but so is your assertion to the contrary. That being said I go with BB, he’s proven that he can find and groom QBs who can play within his system and win with those guys.

 

[DaedalusX]

Neither of these two would be as successful without the other. Without Belichick, the Patriots are an 11-5 team, because Tom can't coach the defense, but he can run the offense and the offense is what makes sure this team wins 90% of these games. Without Brady _and a Brady coached offense_ (as we've found out this year, he runs the O a lot more than anyone ever thought), they're an 8-8 team because Belichick wouldn't have room to grow the defensive players over the season without a QB running an offense that can put up enough points to let a defense grow into its own.

Sometimes the answer really is "neither."

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I believe the NFL is a QB driven league.

There are two types of teams in the NFL, those with a franchise QB and those without.

Except for Baltimore has any team ever won a SB without a franchise QB?

 

[DarrylS]

I believe the NFL is a QB driven league.

There are two types of teams in the NFL, those with a franchise QB and those without.

Except for Baltimore has any team ever won a SB without a franchise QB?

Doug Williams comes to mind..

 

[the taildragger]

Most on this board will be offended by the question and avoid a definitive answer.

the Fisher Young case was a very unique case I think. Young had developmental issues both as a player in the NFL from a skills perspective and also from a maturity and leadership perspective. That's obviously not a problem in New England.

In general history suggests it's probably harder to win Championships with average QBs.

I think Bill is most responsible for the team consistently contending each year despite the overall level of talent on the team.

So without a superior coach we would have some god awful miserable years where we probably finish last or near last in the division.

Having said that, I wouldn't be nearly as confident in winning another championship without TB.

I'm pretty sure with a Gruden or a Cowher we could still win championships with TB.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

I believe the NFL is a QB driven league.

There are two types of teams in the NFL, those with a franchise QB and those without.

I think it could also be said that there are two types of teams in the NFL, those with a franchise coach and those without.

Anyone voting BB is doing so with the idea that BB would find a suitable replacement. Not necessarily someone as great as Tom, but someone who is a franchise quality QB.

 

[condon84]

Brady is part of Belichick's system.

Belichick is the system.

 

[neuronet]

If something happens to either one of them, I will blame this thread.

 

[goheels22002]

In the Seymour, Maroney, Moss = 4 head coaches fired thread.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...maroney-moss-4-head-coaches-fired-season.html

the issue of the owner choosing Fisher over Young came up. And several people suggested it is better to keep the QB than the coach.

Now Fisher ain't BB and Young ain't Brady and I serioulsy doubt it would ever come to this.

But let's say you were Kraft, and BB and TB's relationship deteriorated to a point that you had to choose one. Who would you keep? The coach or the QB? And why?

Each one gets a bonus from the Pats for imploding a rival team. If Jeff Fisher gets the axe, Moss gets a double bonus. I'm wondering if getting the coach of your new team fired is boilerplate performance bonus language at this point.

 

[ahmed]

Why is it dumb? His comment is nothing more than speculation but so is your assertion to the contrary. That being said I go with BB, he’s proven that he can find and groom QBs who can play within his system and win with those guys.

He's essentially saying that any QB studying under Weis and BB can become one of the greatest QBs ever. If that is not dumb, I don't know what is.

Why not just draft a late round QB every few years, teach them to become HF material, trade them for a boatload of picks and draft the next HF QB in the late rounds and repeat cycle.