Edelman

[xmarkd400x]

I agree; using Tate to run Moss' old routes is about as bad an idea for this game as I can think of.

That said, using Tate on the routes that, say, GRONK and Hernandez run might be a great thing.

On the other hand, having Revis cover Tate wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Their best defensive player covering our worst offensive player. Then if/when Revis decides he's sick of chasing Tate around for nothing, throw one over his head.

 

[shmessy]

On the other hand, having Revis cover Tate wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Their best defensive player covering our worst offensive player. Then if/when Revis decides he's sick of chasing Tate around for nothing, throw one over his head.

Revis won't get sick of shutting down and shutting out an opposing wr. That's what he does.

That being said, I don't believe they will be gluing individuals to indivuals tonight. Look for alot of switching, etc. Especially for Revis. It'll be situational, probably.

Cro and Revis are built to stop Moss/Tate. Kyle Wilson was drafted to stop Welker/Edelman. The first two have proven to be able to do the job. The third - - not so much yet......and now he has no Leonhard for help/direction.

 

[RodThePat]

He is a faster, bigger Wes Welker with even greater YAC potential. Now, if he could only catch the ball consistently and find the soft spots in the defenses more often, he'd be fantastic.

I still don't think there's a lot of room for him on the field simply because his play style is too similar to that of our other receivers.

 

[ATippett56]

Julian Edelman

4 receptions for 14 yards

His production or lack of production in the passing game speaks for itself.

 

[tasmlab]

I always wonder when he is going to be dismembered. The way he wriggles out of tackles looks dangerous. I could see him trying to wriggle out of a defender holding his leg and then a safety hitting him high, and him snapping like a wishbone.

I would like to see him catch some passes too, but there's nothing wrong with him doing PR, doing well at that, and saving Welker a few hits.

 

[shmessy]

Julian Edelman

4 receptions for 14 yards

His production or lack of production in the passing game speaks for itself.

Of course the early season knee injury had nothing to do with it.........

Now, for some perspective, anyone who watched the Detroit game saw an Edelman who for the first time this year, had some 2009 lateral wiggle to him.

Add to that 10 days rest between games, a cb secondary that specializes in defending go routes, while missing a signal-calling SS who went down AFTER the gameplan is installed.

It's not just stats. There are factors. Read between the lines.

I'm not guaranteeing that Edelman has a big game or anything, I just think it is an intriguing possibility given the myriad factors that are in place.

 

[mgteich]

1) I like having Edelman on the team. He is a fine backup slot back and a reasonable punt returner.

2) There are various receiver roles on the team. Our top four receivers are Welker, Branch, Hernadez and Gronkowsi. Our running backs are also receivers, especially Woodhead on 3rd down. Even if we ran a 4 or 5 receiver set, these would be 9and should be) the receivers.

3) There is the need for an additional wide receiver to occasionaly run deep or intermediate routes (2-5 reps a game). Tate has that role.

4) I can't see sitting any of the above players for Edelman. While Edelman could battle Tate for his 2-5 reps a game, I don't see it happening. That is NOT because Tate is necessarily a better receiver. It is because of the role he has when he is in the gam

 

[shmessy]

1) I like having Edelman on the team. He is a fine backup slot back and a reasonable punt returner.

2) There are various receiver roles on the team. Our top four receivers are Welker, Branch, Hernadez and Gronkowsi. Our running backs are also receivers, especially Woodhead on 3rd down. Even if we ran a 4 or 5 receiver set, these would be 9and should be) the receivers.

3) There is the need for an additional wide receiver to occasionaly run deep or intermediate routes (2-5 reps a game). Tate has that role.

4) I can't see sitting any of the above players for Edelman. While Edelman could battle Tate for his 2-5 reps a game, I don't see it happening. That is NOT because Tate is necessarily a better receiver. It is because of the role he has when he is in the gam

Your above points are all Patriots-based. My point is Jets Defense-based.

Once again, I'm not saying he should start or even play half the game. I just see the possibility of him getting those 2-5 extra snaps from Tate (for route running style reasons, not a putdown of Tate) against this particular defense. I like him in this matchup versus this particular defense against which he has already done well.

Also, I could see some trickeration in this game if the RB's don't get traction tonight.

It's all good and it is fantastic to have not only "Plan-B's" but "Plan C's thru I's....."

 

[mgteich]

OK, Edelman was in the game for 8 plays against PITT, 4 against DET. When REISS indicates that Edelman is the #4 receiving option, he means the #4 wide receiver option.

From REISS
As the No. 4 receiving option, Julian Edelman continues to see limited opportunities. He was part of a four-receiver set and was used a few times in a two-receiver set.

BOTTOM LINE
If Edelman were getting open when he is in the game, he would be have more opportunities and more production. Tate has 18 catches for 301 yards and 16.7 yards per catch. He fills a role.
To be clear, if Tate weren't doing the job as a flanker, I would much rather have Hernandez in that role than Edelman.

Once again, I'm not saying he should start or even play half the game. I just see the possibility of him getting those 2-5 extra snaps from Tate (for route running style reasons, not a putdown of Tate) against this particular defense.

Also, I could see some trickeration in this game if the RB's don't get traction tonight.

 

[shmessy]

OK, Edelman was in the game for 8 plays against PITT, 4 against DET. When REISS indicates that Edelman is the #4 receiving option, he means the #4 wide receiver option.

From REISS
As the No. 4 receiving option, Julian Edelman continues to see limited opportunities. He was part of a four-receiver set and was used a few times in a two-receiver set.

BOTTOM LINE
If Edelman were getting open when he is in the game, he would be have more opportunities and more production. Tate has 18 catches for 301 yards and 16.7 yards per catch. He fills a role.
To be clear, if Tate weren't doing the job as a flanker, I would much rather have Hernandez in that role than Edelman.

Look, no offense, but this is my last response to you on this, because obviously, you still don't get (or are purposely ignoring) the main point I have emphasized several times. So, for the last time:

It has very LITTLE to do with the Patriots as much as it has to do with the Jets Defense and THEIR makeup. The Lions and Steelers have different D's than the Rex/Buddy Ryan flood blitz, combined with go-route stoppers like Revis and Cro, along with the late dropout (after the game-plan installation) of the brains of the secondary.

The reasoning is all about WHOM the Patriots are playing in this situation.

Will it happen? I have no idea. Could it happen? Definitely, and it's not far-fetched because anyone who has watched BB for a decade plus knows he doesn't game-plan in a straight line trajectory the entire season - - or even game-to-game.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

On Facebook Julian wrote..."Getting my head right for the game"

Good luck. Field those punts and whatever else is your job tonight.

 

[PatsFan2]

It has nothing to do with Hernandez, Gronk, Branch or Welker.

It has everything to do with Tate. Nothing against Tate, but his style of pass route is the Jets secondary's strength - - the Moss/Brandon Marshall- go route -shutdown corners.

They drafted Kyle Wilson expressly to be the slot shutdown, and he has failed. Leonhard is out now. That area looks to be a huge weakness. The Brandon Tate go route is ably covered by Revis/Cromartie - - why not hit them in their weak area?

Putting another jitterbug out there for an additional 5-8 snaps instead of Tate makes some good sense to me. Stubbornly keeping Tate out there all game against that secondary seems like stubbornly banging your head against the wall.

Sorry but Brandon Marshall is not a one trick pony...he's in Wes Welker's territory when it comes on to receptions check his last three years.

 

[RodThePat]

Sorry but Brandon Marshall is not a one trick pony...he's in Wes Welker's territory when it comes on to receptions check his last three years.

Brandon Marshall is a guy that runs the whole route-tree. With Moss it's pretty much "go", "post" or "deep out" in 90% of the snaps.