Moss: "I don't think they going to extend my contract here"

[captain stone]

Brady has won without a monster WR. He couldn't win with one because of what feeding the monster entails and resulted in...a revelation that wasn't lost on the DC's of the league. The monster isn't driven and this OL wasn't built to accommodate the fact that his mere existence mandates an unhealthy mindset that undermines adaptability, which was the cornerstone of this system on both sides of the ball during the first half of the decade we were the team of...

We have 4 picks in the top 53 of the upcoming draft. We can sign any FA we choose to without restriction. If we don't retain star players we free money up and add draft picks. It's not like we're going to return this team to the field in 2010 minus players consuming 15% of the cap and we simply neglect to replace them. Brady got this team to within 30 minutes of a SB in 2006 with Reche Caldwell as his #1WR, and it was a defensive meltdown and one dropped pass from not being enough. He got them 1 game further with Randy Moss as his #1. For all his cumulative stats Moss has been all but a non factor here since December 2007... He had to force himself to go through the motions for freakin' Matt Cassel in 2008...and when the 2009 season with Brady didn't just unfold as a return to pre December 2007 he again reverted to just forcing himself through the motions. I know he was injured, they all were. In his case it was hard to miss, and lots of guys who matched up against him didn't...

Talent is seductive and Brady and Belichick were certainly seduced by Randy Moss in 2007. I hope reflecting back on late 2007 and 2008 and 2009 they both realize that... They both have more than enough to do without having to babysit an insecure, inconsistent, aging talent. That time is better spent grooming coachable youngsters and driven FA who are willing to run through a wall to win a ring and still want to win more...People here are lauding Indy and NO for doing just that. Guess what, been there...done that...time to do it again.

QFT.

The Ratio knows that he won't be here in 2011 (unless he's willing to sign for the vet minimum+), so he's greasing the skids of his departure by blaming someone other than himself - as usual.

 

[Kontradiction]

Players wearing the uniform has never shielded them from my disapprobation when I've felt it warranted. I just don't have a problem with Moss stating something as obvious as this.

The problem is that he said it to the media. Are we now the 2008 Dallas Cowboys?

 

[captain stone]

Re: Moss:"I don't think they going to extend my contract here"

The Patriots pay elite players only if they are also all in leaders. This just proves they made a mistake in extending Randy. He isn't that player, despite his freakish talent which frankly is crusing down the back nine as it always does... The really scary part is he really thinks he's earned his money here and proven to be a wise investment...Honestly, the egos of most of these guys just floor me. The only double digit cap hit we've ever had on this team who gets it is the 6th round QB...who has outproduced each of his contracts substantially even after missing an entire season... Randy is trying to claim that productive durability was their only concern in extending him...no, what happened down the stretch AGAIN last season and what he just said was...This team doesn't lack talent, it lacks leadership and accountability and maybe lately even brains ...the red flag was that this guy was ever elected/allowed to be named a captain. Makes me hope Wes can avoid PUP because beyond Brady that title should have been his from the get go....

...or Kevin Faulk's, too. Naming the Ratio as one of the captains is akin to - but not quite as insulting - as naming Michael Vick one of the nominees for the Ed Block Courage Award.

 

[carolinatony]

Brady has won without a monster WR. He couldn't win with one because of what feeding the monster entails and resulted in...a revelation that wasn't lost on the DC's of the league. The monster isn't driven and this OL wasn't built to accommodate the fact that his mere existence mandates an unhealthy mindset that undermines adaptability, which was the cornerstone of this system on both sides of the ball during the first half of the decade we were the team of...

We have 4 picks in the top 53 of the upcoming draft. We can sign any FA we choose to without restriction. If we don't retain star players we free money up and add draft picks. It's not like we're going to return this team to the field in 2010 minus players consuming 15% of the cap and we simply neglect to replace them. Brady got this team to within 30 minutes of a SB in 2006 with Reche Caldwell as his #1WR, and it was a defensive meltdown and one dropped pass from not being enough. He got them 1 game further with Randy Moss as his #1. For all his cumulative stats Moss has been all but a non factor here since December 2007... He had to force himself to go through the motions for freakin' Matt Cassel in 2008...and when the 2009 season with Brady didn't just unfold as a return to pre December 2007 he again reverted to just forcing himself through the motions. I know he was injured, they all were. In his case it was hard to miss, and lots of guys who matched up against him didn't...

Talent is seductive and Brady and Belichick were certainly seduced by Randy Moss in 2007. I hope reflecting back on late 2007 and 2008 and 2009 they both realize that... They both have more than enough to do without having to babysit an insecure, inconsistent, aging talent. That time is better spent grooming coachable youngsters and driven FA who are willing to run through a wall to win a ring and still want to win more...People here are lauding Indy and NO for doing just that. Guess what, been there...done that...time to do it again.

This is what I believe as well. Moss will play this year and lets worry about next year, next year.
We need a more balanced attach on offense and maybe RUN the ball once in awhile and we will be fine.

 

[larryo]

Felger is going to be on NFL Sirius at 1pm. "Patriot expert" was his billing. This should be funny.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

One thing that is clear in reading this thread is if some of you had a shot at running this team we'd be at 51 years and counting...

Moss is doing what he's always done once the contract is down to salary and his critics have started to re-emerge. A leopard never changes it's spots. Moss signed here because no one else, including GB, was interested in rehabbing his image. Philly only nibbled because we had. But when he chose to come here it wasn't a matter of discounting his deal it was to avoid McNabb and stick with Brady. Then adversity struck. Not quite to the level it struck him in Oakland, for sure... But Randy doesn't do adversity very well...never has and never will. His statement is full of so many I's and me's there was no room for any we's...because despite all the lip service to loving football he's never really been a we kind of guy although he gave talking the talk his best shot for a while here. If DC's continue to shut him down deep and he's getting smacked in the chops fighting for intermediate scraps while Brady has to increasingly focus on assimilating new weapons into this offense if it's going to succeed any better than it did last year with Moss and Welker on the field, he is going to go into his funk even earlier in 2010 and it's not going to be pretty.

 

[Raymond]

I'm not sure where the Pat's are this year in regards to the cap. However, historically, they are right near it. But just once, one time, I'd like to see a player, make a public announcement in the locker room ( or such) while the media is around, asking for volunteers from their fellow players to take pay cuts so they can "get paid".

 

[MoLewisrocks]

This is what I believe as well. Moss will play this year and lets worry about next year, next year.
We need a more balanced attach on offense and maybe RUN the ball once in awhile and we will be fine.

No, it isn't because you didn't even comprehend what it said...which is time to move on a year - which I don't believe it is - early rather than a year late...which is the least 2011 will be.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm not sure where the Pat's are this year in regards to the cap. However, historically, they are right near it. But just once, one time, I'd like to see a player, make a public announcement in the locker room ( or such) while the media is around, asking for volunteers from their fellow players to take pay cuts so they can "get paid".

Thought I read 3m under somewhere....?

 

[patsfan-1982]

they asked him if he will be back and he said i don't think so. moss. came here to win a SB and if BB put out a team in 2010. that looks anything like the 2009 team then he will be gone. he is not going to take less money to play for a team were he is #2 to wes welker, and is just a one and done. playoff team.


if he is not going to win a ring then he wants to play were he will get paid big money and brake rice's TD record.



but even with that said moss is just a guy with a big mouth. and he did not like the way he got sent home last year. but with welker. out i look for brady to throw him the ball a lot over 100 rec over 1500 yerds and over 15 TD's

 

[BradyFTW!]

One thing that is clear in reading this thread is if some of you had a shot at running this team we'd be at 51 years and counting...

Whereas if you were in charge, the pats would have won probably a dozen SBs by now, right?

BTW, it'll be interesting to see what those who are claiming that Randy's talent has faded will say after 2010...

 

[RobertWeathers]

Whereas if you were in charge, the pats would have won probably a dozen SBs by now, right?

BTW, it'll be interesting to see what those who are claiming that Randy's talent has faded will say after 2010...

His production is still there no question. Physically I don't think hes capable of the same things he was in say 2004. Hes 33. Its natural.

 

[Jangles]

Re: Moss:"I don't think they going to extend my contract here"

Good. There isn't much lower than a bandwagon fan. I'd almost welcome a losing season so they'd all go away and buy Tony Romo jerseys or something, except that they'd be right back as soon as we started winning again, pulling that Brady jersey off the closet floor.

My point is that everyone rides the bandwagon

It's the people who jump on new ones every season that you're referring to

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Moss:"I don't think they going to extend my contract here"

My point is that everyone rides the bandwagon

It's the people who jump on new ones every season that you're referring to

Yup- when my favorite teams suck, I don't follow them as closely. Feel no shame in admitting it. I still watch the games, but I definitely don't buy as much stuff, and I don't get as involved. Would never switch to another team, though, no matter how bad mine got. Case in point: I'm still a diehard Sox/Celtics/Pats fan after years of living in socal, and that'll never change. So in a sense I'm riding the bandwagon just like everyone else, and I figured that's what you were talking about.

 

[Jangles]

Re: Moss:"I don't think they going to extend my contract here"

Yup- when my favorite teams suck, I don't follow them as closely. Feel no shame in admitting it. I still watch the games, but I definitely don't buy as much stuff, and I don't get as involved. Would never switch to another team, though, no matter how bad mine got. Case in point: I'm still a diehard Sox/Celtics/Pats fan after years of living in socal, and that'll never change. So in a sense I'm riding the bandwagon just like everyone else, and I figured that's what you were talking about.

Pretty much

I was raised a die hard Vikings fan and when they let Randy Moss get away I was done. I knew then he had the ability to be the best WR to ever step onto a football field and they let him go. I couldn't and still can't rationalize that

I understand he's aged but he is still one of the best in the league. With 0 other options at WR he should be a top priority if this team wants to win at all.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Id like 2 vets and a couple of rookies. If I had a choice Id go and get Brandon Marshall and sign Hixon. Id also Draft a WR in the second round and then again in the middle rounds.

 

[emoney_33]

Re: Moss:"I don't think they going to extend my contract here"

Florio is clearly trying to use these quotes for all they're worth, but the quotes alone are sickening. Read just the quotes and not anything else and try to tell me it's all perfectly benign.

A couple of things. The quotes alone aren't good, it was stupid for Randy to say such things. At the same time you have to realize that the quote "I play when I want to play" alone sounds horrendous but it is severely lacking context.

It's not above the media to take a quote like "You know what everyone always says. The pats don't pay" and cut out the first part.

Now I'm not saying they surely cut out context, but the quotes alone don't warrant the type of backlash that we are seeing. You really have to understand that Randy Moss frequently just cannot articulate what he means. He's also emotional, so maybe he's just scared that this is his last year with Tommy. In the end Randy messed up with those quotes, but the media is going to try to spin it out of control.

 

[Deus Irae]

The problem is that he said it to the media. Are we now the 2008 Dallas Cowboys?

But, again I don't consider it a problem when a player tells the media something that the media, and pretty much everyone else, has been saying for more than half a decade. This wasn't "Yeah, we really did cheat in every game by punching guys in the nuts" type stuff, where it could bring the wrath of the Ommissioner down on the team. This was "As you all know, the Patriots don't generally pay top dollar for their players". Given that people here have been trumpeting that as a plus (See Brady, Bruschi, etc...), I find it hypocritical when people then complain that players are acknowledging it.

 

[emoney_33]

Re: Moss:"I don't think they going to extend my contract here"

Not to get into an agreement-fest with you, but I just do not see how anyone can not see the facts here: Moss made false claims about the Patriots that will do nothing but potentially hurt the team in the FA period. Ignore the Florio crap or don't, but there is no avoiding the crap that came out of Randy's mouth. It's inexcusable.

I don't see how it could possibly hurt the team in FA. No player signs a deal with a team because they believe they will get a 2nd contract from that team as well.

 

[Jangles]

But, again I don't consider it a problem when a player tells the media something that the media, and pretty much everyone else, has been saying for more than half a decade. This wasn't "Yeah, we really did cheat in every game by punching guys in the nuts" type stuff, where it could bring the wrath of the Ommissioner down on the team. This was "As you all know, the Patriots don't generally pay top dollar for their players". Given that people here have been trumpeting that as a plus (See Brady, Bruschi, etc...), I find it hypocritical when people then complain that players are acknowledging it.

I agree with all of this stuff

I don't care because everyone has been saying it already. It's not like he just came out and said "screw the Pats I'll never play another down for these cheap asses"

He just gave his thoughts when asked