Reiss: Moss played with separated shoulder

[Satchboogie3]

The Ratio wasn't even the BEST receiver on his own team, and it wasn't even close. But at least I now know why he never caught the ball at its highest point.

Are you seriously saying what I think you're saying? Moss isn't even close to being better than Welker? Really? Are you joking? Put the bong down.

 

[Satchboogie3]

Then why did he suddenly get better after the Carolina game? He didnt take any time off or anything like that, so the injury just isnt going to magically disappear. In the NO game he barely played in the 4th quarter so his stats are a bit off, and he showed no signs of being injured. The Miami game, when he caught the 45 yard TD pass did it look like he was hurting? In those games was effort ever questioned? No because it wasnt warranted. 1 catch 16 yards, and a turnover and numerous plays/actions to raise into question his effort...the Carolina game was much different from any other game from the 2009 season.

You still can't follow logic. I'm not say he was magically healed. I'm saying that perhaps he was REALLY hurting those 3 weeks, more so than before/after those games. You know, when you get an injury like that, it doesn't feel the exact same for months, some days it feels worse than others and sometimes you might have a rough couple weeks. Perhaps he aggravated it sometime during those 3 games, the fact is he was playing hurt.

You have to use common sense. A player had 3 straight 'bad' games while playing with a separated shoulder. What do you think is more likely, he was hurting or he was being lazy. It isn't a tough idea...

 

[The Dynasty]

You still can't follow logic. I'm not say he was magically healed. I'm saying that perhaps he was REALLY hurting those 3 weeks, more so than before/after those games. You know, when you get an injury like that, it doesn't feel the exact same for months, some days it feels worse than others and sometimes you might have a rough couple weeks. Perhaps he aggravated it sometime during those 3 games, the fact is he was playing hurt.

You have to use common sense. A player had 3 straight 'bad' games while playing with a separated shoulder. What do you think is more likely, he was hurting or he was being lazy. It isn't a tough idea...

Your logic is terrible. A separated shoulder is a separated shoulder, it doesnt all of a sudden feel better without any rest or anything like that (which is what you are saying took place after the Carolina game). And you might want to consider what you call a "bad game". 3 catches 67 yards, 2 catches 66 yards 1 TD arent really bad games. 1 catch 16 yards 1 turnover, that would be a bad game.

 

[stavros27]

"3 catches 67 yards, 2 catches 66 yards 1 TD arent really bad games. 1 catch 16 yards 1 turnover, that would be a bad game."

Funny you mentioned that, because I remember seeing people talk about how he disappeared and quit in those games after getting his catches early on. Anytime Moss doesn't go over 100 yards with at least a TD, people will claim he wasn't trying. Heck, Mike freeman claimed he wasn't trying when he caught 10 for over 100 yards against the Falcons earlier this year so scratch that.

No matter what he does, people will always claim he quits when he doesn't perform like Superman, and talk about how he even said himself that he "plays when he wants to play" so it's nothing out of the ordinary.

Anyone notice how 99% of the media has failed to use that comment in the proper context, and constantly brings it up as proof that he 'quits' when talking about him?

 

[ausbacker]

Guys, unless you have links and articles that adhere to Ian's terms of use, stop offering opinions as fact. We've already established you cannot measure effort tangibly.

 

[captain stone]

Are you seriously saying what I think you're saying? Moss isn't even close to being better than Welker? Really? Are you joking? Put the bong down.

Maybe you should pick up the Holy Bong of Truth and have a toke, so that you may see the Light through the Sacred Smoke. And in the Light will be standing...Saint Wes.

 

[Sweet Chin Music33]

I think Moss had a good season. He is a one trick pony, but he makes Welker better, and makes Brady more dangerous. Just being on the field alone draws 2/3 players to cover him.....it them becomes a 10 on 9/ 10 on 8 matchup. He cant run routes, but opposing teams HAVE to gameplan him, if they dont....he will burn them.

The problem is that if Moss is neutralized, and Welker is running the in-between routes....we have nobody else available for 2nd and long, 3rd and long situations.

If we has a third receiver (like Stallworth, why cant we get guys like him) who is route runner, it spreads out the defense......they have to cover the long (Moss) the short (Welker) and the in between (which we dont have). Another thing that could offset all of the receiver options would be a good running back that opposing defenses have to honor, but even that....would require a o-line good enough to block for him.

The major holes the pats have to shore up are: at least 1 lineman to replace an incumbent, a RB that makes the defense have thoughts in their mind other than pass (I miss you Corey Dillon), and another WR capable of running routes and having the mentality capacity of being on the same page as Brady and Bellichick.

 

[Satchboogie3]

Moss lead the league in TDs, was 5th in yards, and 12 in receptions. That's a fantastic year. He did that while playing much of the season with a separated shoulder. That is AMAZING.

Personally, I don't see how any who sticks it out on the field with a separated shoulder and performers extremely well lacks effort.

I also never said he magically felt better without rest and healed. I simply stated that he could have been in a ton of pain during some games (that 3-game stretch) and it might have seemed like he wasn't trying. A lot of people thought he looked disinterested and upset all season and thought it was because of the game plan, effort, etc. It turns out the guy was in a ton of pain. If you were trying to play through a separated shoulder, I'm sure you wouldn't look like you were having fun.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

Then why did he suddenly get better after the Carolina game? He didnt take any time off or anything like that, so the injury just isnt going to magically disappear. In the NO game he barely played in the 4th quarter so his stats are a bit off, and he showed no signs of being injured. The Miami game, when he caught the 45 yard TD pass did it look like he was hurting? In those games was effort ever questioned? No because it wasnt warranted. 1 catch 16 yards, and a turnover and numerous plays/actions to raise into question his effort...the Carolina game was much different from any other game from the 2009 season.

maybe after all the bs he heard from the dinks in the media(espn), he took a needle. maybe the pain subsided on it's own. who knows. the fact remains, i trust bb and brady and moss more than i trust those lying "dog fakers" in the media. talk about lack of effort. bunch of hypocrits.

where's cris carter's apology ? yeah, right. never happen. i thought they were boys. i guess with espn on his check he's turned to the dark side. didn't take him long.

 

[The Dynasty]

Moss lead the league in TDs, was 5th in yards, and 12 in receptions. That's a fantastic year. He did that while playing much of the season with a separated shoulder. That is AMAZING.

Personally, I don't see how any who sticks it out on the field with a separated shoulder and performers extremely well lacks effort.

I also never said he magically felt better without rest and healed. I simply stated that he could have been in a ton of pain during some games (that 3-game stretch) and it might have seemed like he wasn't trying. A lot of people thought he looked disinterested and upset all season and thought it was because of the game plan, effort, etc. It turns out the guy was in a ton of pain. If you were trying to play through a separated shoulder, I'm sure you wouldn't look like you were having fun.

For the record I have said that Moss had an outstanding season and should be commended for playing most of which with a separated shoulder. The only game that I questioned his effort in was the Carolina, just that one particular game. I am not jumping all over the guy because hes just one of the best WR's in the game. All I am saying is in that one particular game I think he lacked effort.

For the whole 3 game stretch thing, Moss' effort was never questioned in the NO game or the Miami game, just the Carolina game. I just dont see how an injury can happen in week 5, then be manageable for a long period of time, then for 3 weeks be a serious issue, and then after those 3 weeks be manageable again. It was the same injury and it wasnt like he missed any games in that 3 week stretch. He didnt look upset the entire season, he was just frustrated the week of the Carolina game, after being sent home and criticized by the media.

I think you are another Moss lover and are failing to look at the situation objectively.

 

[The Dynasty]

maybe after all the bs he heard from the dinks in the media(espn), he took a needle. maybe the pain subsided on it's own. who knows. the fact remains, i trust bb and brady and moss more than i trust those lying "dog fakers" in the media. talk about lack of effort. bunch of hypocrits.

where's cris carter's apology ? yeah, right. never happen. i thought they were boys. i guess with espn on his check he's turned to the dark side. didn't take him long.

Probably not, about the whole needle thing and the whole pain subsiding thing...

Cris Carter doesnt have to apologize to anyone, nor does anyone else that questioned Moss' effort in the Carolina game. People saw what they saw and have a right to question it.

 

[Satchboogie3]

For the record I have said that Moss had an outstanding season and should be commended for playing most of which with a separated shoulder. The only game that I questioned his effort in was the Carolina, just that one particular game. I am not jumping all over the guy because hes just one of the best WR's in the game. All I am saying is in that one particular game I think he lacked effort.

For the whole 3 game stretch thing, Moss' effort was never questioned in the NO game or the Miami game, just the Carolina game. I just dont see how an injury can happen in week 5, then be manageable for a long period of time, then for 3 weeks be a serious issue, and then after those 3 weeks be manageable again. It was the same injury and it wasnt like he missed any games in that 3 week stretch. He didnt look upset the entire season, he was just frustrated the week of the Carolina game, after being sent home and criticized by the media.

I think you are another Moss lover and are failing to look at the situation objectively.

My point is, if he was in a ton of pain and couldn't move his should much, it may look like he isn't trying. Perhaps he didn't give 100% that game because he couldn't handle the pair or maybe he was having trouble catching the ball in warm ups so he dialed it down a little. Who knows. However, when someone goes out with an injury like that, I give them the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not just after you, there were a ton of people criticizing Moss during the season and want to continue to criticize him knowing he was playing injured. It's ridiculous.

 

[Yfz01]

My point is, if he was in a ton of pain and couldn't move his should much, it may look like he isn't trying. Perhaps he didn't give 100% that game because he couldn't handle the pair or maybe he was having trouble catching the ball in warm ups so he dialed it down a little. Who knows. However, when someone goes out with an injury like that, I give them the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not just after you, there were a ton of people criticizing Moss during the season and want to continue to criticize him knowing he was playing injured. It's ridiculous.

But because he isn't getting his salad tossed going over the middle, he isn't a true Patriot. I don't think anyone other then Brady, Welker, and a few of the young guys are gauranteed to be back next year!

I don't know how many times I heard that.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

But because he isn't getting his salad tossed going over the middle, he isn't a true Patriot. I don't think anyone other then Brady, Welker, and a few of the young guys are gauranteed to be back next year!

I don't know how many times I heard that.

i'm not quite sure what this means.


maybe moss felt like he was putting himself and career in jeopardy and when bb sent him home he was bummed and couldn't get past the dual pain of a shoulder separation and humiliation of being sent home. probably was wondering why he was putting everything on the line like that.

as far as the needle or the pain subsiding, i don't discount those possibilities either.

 

[emoney_33]

I want to point out that if Welker played with a separated shoulder there would probably be a 1,000 page thread about how much of a warrior and true Patriot he is.

Now let's get this back on topic. In a year that saw Brady come back from a year off due to ACL, a shaky OL, inexperienced OC, a decent but not great running game, and only 2 WR worthy of being NFL starters. Randy Moss trotted himself out on the field with a separated shoulder, and with nothing less than incredible courage put the team far ahead of himself to help catapult the offense to:

Lead the league in TOP,
3rd in Yards,
6th in Points.

Randy Moss should be celebrated, not dragged through the mud like he is so frequently around here!

(PS: Do the putting the world on his shoulders comment have a deeper meaning now that we have the news of the shoulder?)

Randy Moss is still the best receiver in the NFL.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Thought you guys might be tired by now.

Isn't it enough to say that Randy Moss is one of the best to ever play the position. He played the position artfully but he's never been known as a brawler. He may have played better in his youth if his head was screwed on tighter. He would still be playing at the highest level if his body was more forgiving.

I'd like to see him on the field at least 75% less next year ... I think we get more out of him that way. At his age he should not be receiving and playing decoy ... a bit less decoy would be better for his body and season.

He has given us our moneys worth ... he's not the reason we have not won the Super bowl since 2004.

 

[ausbacker]

My point is, if he was in a ton of pain and couldn't move his should much, it may look like he isn't trying. Perhaps he didn't give 100% that game because he couldn't handle the pair or maybe he was having trouble catching the ball in warm ups so he dialed it down a little. Who knows. However, when someone goes out with an injury like that, I give them the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not just after you, there were a ton of people criticizing Moss during the season and want to continue to criticize him knowing he was playing injured. It's ridiculous.

And Matt Light for that matter....

 

[RayClay]

Moss should publish photos of his shouldern back, legs, ankles and any other bruised areas like a true hero!!

 

[Brady_2_Moss]

i want to point out that if welker played with a separated shoulder there would probably be a 1,000 page thread about how much of a warrior and true patriot he is.

Now let's get this back on topic. In a year that saw brady come back from a year off due to acl, a shaky ol, inexperienced oc, a decent but not great running game, and only 2 wr worthy of being nfl starters. Randy moss trotted himself out on the field with a separated shoulder, and with nothing less than incredible courage put the team far ahead of himself to help catapult the offense to:

Lead the league in top,
3rd in yards,
6th in points.

Randy moss should be celebrated, not dragged through the mud like he is so frequently around here!

(ps: Do the putting the world on his shoulders comment have a deeper meaning now that we have the news of the shoulder?)

randy moss is still the best receiver in the nfl.

well said!!!!

 

[BradyFTW!]

Thought you guys might be tired by now.

Isn't it enough to say that Randy Moss is one of the best to ever play the position. He played the position artfully but he's never been known as a brawler. He may have played better in his youth if his head was screwed on tighter. He would still be playing at the highest level if his body was more forgiving.

I'd like to see him on the field at least 75% less next year ... I think we get more out of him that way. At his age he should not be receiving and playing decoy ... a bit less decoy would be better for his body and season.

He has given us our moneys worth ... he's not the reason we have not won the Super bowl since 2004.

75% less? He was on the field for 85% of plays this year, so you're essentially saying that you don't want him on the field for more than 20% of the team's offensive plays? I'm grasping at straws to find a response to this that doesn't come off as condescending, but that's just a dumb idea all around.