Vince Wilfork...on WEEI...

[tobias funke]

I can already see tanked as usual's attitude improving. Glad I could help dude!

 

[mgcolby]

let me know when you produce a fact........buddy boy

I did you just ignored it. Look back at posts 83 and 107. Those are facts. Not just statements based on my opinion.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bullcrap. You can't just show up at Thanksgiving and pretend to be even remotely up to speed with all the rest of the league. Belichick would be stupid to just throw him in like nothing happened. It would be bad for the team and bad for the locker room. He would have very limited duty for the remainder of the season.

Apparently you consider a coach acting in his team's best interest as being a "petulant child." But in your world, I guess it isn't acting like a "petulant child" by holding out for the absolute maximum amount of time allowed by the CBA.

You must be very new to following football.

The irony of this combination makes all these posts worthwhile. Thanks.

You're the one who thinks Wilfork can just show up in late November and have a dominating 6 weeks. It falls on you to support that statement, which you obviously cannot do because you are trying to turn it around and have me prove a negative (which cannot be done).
Gee, silly me. You said (direct quote, your words, post #199) "If Vince comes in for 6 weeks and is his old, dominant self by the end of the year, the offers will still be there." Now you're desperately trying to backtrack away from that quote, trying to say you "made it pretty clear" you were not being specific.

Do you even, like, actually understand your own posts?

I do. You just quoted them and still screwed it up, both by merging items and by failing reading comprehension. Thanks for the laughs.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Wilfork took his case and his grievances to the WEEI airwaves yesterday in a very pronounced, public manner. If that ain't trying to "negotiate in public" then I don't know what is. But like many athletes, he doesn't know how to do it intelligently. He was stupid to call $7 million a slap in the face. You lose sympathy with the public by saying those sorts of things.
Maybe, maybe not. I am not sure there is much leverage when you are under contract, cannot talk with any other team, and can get fined for missing practices.

wilfork is no longer under contract.......well after a month or so anyway......he is not employed by the patriots until he actually signs the impending franchise tender and will be able to talk to whoever he wants.......I doubt he cares about sympathy from the public.......to a 28 year old NFL player, there is a huge difference between a single guaranteed year and what comes with a long term extension......who cares if he does it in a very pronounced public manner? I see it as no more or less telling than the secrecy with which the pats function.......

 

[tanked_as_usual]

I can already see tanked as usual's attitude improving. Glad I could help dude!

you're confused

 

[tanked_as_usual]

I did you just ignored it. Look back at posts 83 and 107. Those are facts. Not just statements based on my opinion.

actually, I missed them.....can you point them out to me?

you're just as baseless as the next person

 

[Wolfpack]

The irony of this combination makes all these posts worthwhile. Thanks.

No problem. It's clear you don't really have a solid grasp of how these things work and I am glad to help.

I do. You just quoted them and still screwed it up, both by merging items and by failing reading comprehension. Thanks for the laughs.

I am just using your own silly statements against you.

 

[Wolfpack]

wilfork is no longer under contract.......well after a month or so anyway......he is not employed by the patriots until he actually signs the impending franchise tender and will be able to talk to whoever he wants.......

That's absolutely true. But if the Pats franchise him, he is not free to just go anywhere he wants or sign any deal (assuming no team is willing to give up 2 first rounders, which is a very safe bet). Like Ty Law, he is in the position where he is going to be forced to take a high salary for 1 year instead of the open market big money, long term contract he really wants. And like Ty Law, he is going to whine and moan during the early offseason before reporting to the team with his tail between his legs come late summer.

Yes, even if the Patriots apply the tag to Wilfork, he can still go out and talk to anyone he wants to. But nobody is going to make any serious offers without working out a deal with New England first.

I doubt he cares about sympathy from the public.......

Of course he does, as evidenced by his loud statements made on WEEI yesterday. If he really didn't care about what the public thought, he would not have done a radio interview.

to a 28 year old NFL player, there is a huge difference between a single guaranteed year and what comes with a long term extension......who cares if he does it in a very pronounced public manner? I see it as no more or less telling than the secrecy with which the pats function.......

I am just responding to your statement that he "wasn't negotiating in public" when that is, in fact, exactly what he is doing.

 

[mgcolby]

actually, I missed them.....can you point them out to me?

you're just as baseless as the next person

Can't help you, if you can't discern fact from opinion. And I am not going to rewrite them. The onus is on you to prove that anything I said was not factual (with the exception of what I clearly indicated to be my opinion of what I think would have happened if Brady played in 2008 and my opinion on the Wilfork situation), if you care to do that have at it. Otherwise, please continue talking out of your ass.

 

[Deus Irae]

No problem. It's clear you don't really have a solid grasp of how these things work and I am glad to help.

I'm quite sure that I know how these things work. You seem unable to grasp pretty much anything I've said. Perhaps there's a comprehension issue in your educational background?

I am just using your own silly statements against you.

Merging statements on different notions and pretending they go together, and misrepresenting those statements you don't outright mess up, is not using them against me. It's exposing yourself for being incapable of maintaining a clear line of thought.

 

[patman12]

Wilfork should be our priority, unless you want to consider a Brady extension the priority. I think the Pats will make a significant offer to him, but if he values himself as much as it sounds, then I doubt the Pats and him will come to an agreement. It takes two to negotiate and if they can't agree, well then the Pats should tag him and draft/develop his replacement.

I have to chuckle at the "Pats FO is dissapointing me" crowd. This front office has been able to bring in guys like Moss, Welker, AD (2007 version was pretty good) etc.. because they don't break their value system for any one player.

And their terrible drafting, signings etc... Over the past 4 years has only led to two AFC championship games, a SB appearance, a 16-0 season, being the first team under the current playoff system to go 11-5 and miss the playoffs after losing Brady, and then 10-6 division winner during a "rebuilding" year on defense (a unit that many of the same "we don't like the FO" crowd was calling to old just a year ago).

The Pats would have probably had a bye if Brady didn't miss 2008 given our sorry schedule (which is why we went 11-5 without him in the first place) and we would have had a great chance at playing in our 5th SB of the decade. But that is neither here nor there.

The bottom line is this. Teams that go shopping for big time FA's rarely succeed because the cap is the great equalizer, overspend on top tier talent and your depth is garbage. The same hold's true for their own big money FA's, if they over value themselves then let them go. Is it a coincidence that the teams that have dominated the decade are the teams that shy away from Tier 1 free agent's? How many big time FA's do the Steelers, Colts and Eagles sign? Most of our big splashes have come through trades (Moss, Dillon, Welker after RFA offer) the only big money FA's I can think of are Colvin and AD. Forgive me if I missed one. The successful team's develop talent and retain their talent at cap friendly prices for the greater good of the team.

Talking about facts? How can you make this statement with a straight face? How can you possibly make an assertive statement based on nothing more than your opinion of a man you don't know? And more importantly a situation in which you are not privy to a single fact, other than the two sides have yet to come to an agreement????

Actually, after re-reading your previous response to me, it appears you have a habit of making assumptions about situations to which you lack facts or any significant information at all.

Seems to be a good way to go through life.

Wasn't so tough to dig up posts # 83 and 107.

 

[Wolfpack]

I'm quite sure that I know how these things work. You seem unable to grasp pretty much anything I've said. Perhaps there's a comprehension issue in your educational background?

And now we have the personal attacks, the true sign of someone with nothing else to fall back on.

Merging statements on different notions and pretending they go together, and misrepresenting those statements you don't outright mess up, is not using them against me. It's exposing yourself for being incapable of maintaining a clear line of thought.

I didn't merge anything. I quoted your post in context and word for word. But instead of admitting you made a stupid statement, which would be the wise thing to do, you are desperately trying to reflect and redirect.

Fortunately you aren't fooling anyone - except perhaps yourself.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

That's absolutely true. But if the Pats franchise him, he is not free to just go anywhere he wants or sign any deal (assuming no team is willing to give up 2 first rounders, which is a very safe bet). Like Ty Law, he is in the position where he is going to be forced to take a high salary for 1 year instead of the open market big money, long term contract he really wants. And like Ty Law, he is going to whine and moan during the early offseason before reporting to the team with his tail between his legs come late summer.

Yes, even if the Patriots apply the tag to Wilfork, he can still go out and talk to anyone he wants to. But nobody is going to make any serious offers without working out a deal with New England first.
Of course he does, as evidenced by his loud statements made on WEEI yesterday. If he really didn't care about what the public thought, he would not have done a radio interview.
I am just responding to your statement that he "wasn't negotiating in public" when that is, in fact, exactly what he is doing.

doesn't mean he cares what the public thinks...........he could be doing it as a simple precursor in an attempt to shoot his way out of town......and I didn't sense any negotiation in his statement......sounded more like a warning

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Wasn't so tough to dig up posts # 83 and 107.

heh.....a fricking rocket scientist.......how the hell did you do that?

yes.....they are fact laden posts LMFAO

 

[Wolfpack]

doesn't mean he cares what the public thinks...........he could be doing it as a simple precursor in an attempt to shoot his way out of town......and I didn't sense any negotiation in his statement......sounded more like a warning

What exactly do you think the phrase "negotiating in public" means? Do you think he is going to post his contract online or something like that?

What Wilfork did yesterday is the textbook definition of what the rest of us consider "negotiating in public." He had some valid points, but was unwise to throw in his "slap in the face" line. He is not the first athlete to try and manipulate public opinion during a contract dispute.

 

[Deus Irae]

And now we have the personal attacks, the true sign of someone with nothing else to fall back on.
I didn't merge anything. I quoted your post in context and word for word. But instead of admitting you made a stupid statement, which would be the wise thing to do, you are desperately trying to reflect and redirect.

Fortunately you aren't fooling anyone - except perhaps yourself.

Personal attacks? Umm.... your comment, which came prior to mine:

It's clear you don't really have a solid grasp of how these things work

If you don't want to dance, don't call the tune.

Now, as for the "quoted your post"...

Me:

If Vince comes in for 6 weeks and is his old, dominant self by the end of the year, the offers will still be there.

As for returning to form, veterans in their prime tend to return mostly to form quite quickly, as long as they weren't lazy in the offseason. That's part of why they hate training camp, since it becomes a grind rather than something needed to get back into shape....

You:

You're the one who thinks Wilfork can just show up in late November and have a dominating 6 weeks.

Reading is fundamental and you're not doing an exact quote there. You're misrepresenting what I wrote and merging my posts together, which is what I noted about your posting.

 

[pabst37]

I havent gone through all 300 posts so someone may have mentioned it but with the Jets drafting 29th this year it might make sense for them to go after Vince - they would be able to use him at end and nose tackle with jenkins and it would obviously hurt the Pats - they've shown that their willing to give up draft picks to get talented players and since they're in the bottom 4 they are limited in who they will be able to sign in free agency if there is an uncapped year. It's my understanding that the limitations do not apply to franchised players or RFA's.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

What exactly do you think the phrase "negotiating in public" means? Do you think he is going to post his contract online or something like that?

What Wilfork did yesterday is the textbook definition of what the rest of us consider "negotiating in public." He had some valid points, but was unwise to throw in his "slap in the face" line. He is not the first athlete to try and manipulate public opinion during a contract dispute.

no he isn't.....but in my opinion he has every right and reason to do so......especially with the way belichick runs things.........

 

[tanked_as_usual]

I havent gone through all 300 posts so someone may have mentioned it but with the Jets drafting 29th this year it might make sense for them to go after Vince - they would be able to use him at end and nose tackle with jenkins and it would obviously hurt the Pats - they've shown that their willing to give up draft picks to get talented players and since they're in the bottom 4 they are limited in who they will be able to sign in free agency if there is an uncapped year. It's my understanding that the limitations do not apply to franchised players or RFA's.

they would likely be looking to give up 2 number 1s......they are also relatively maxed out on big contracts....sure there is no cap, but it doesn't mean they will start behaving like the yankees...the jets have bigger needs and signing wilfork would create alot of redundancy

 

[Rob0729]

I havent gone through all 300 posts so someone may have mentioned it but with the Jets drafting 29th this year it might make sense for them to go after Vince - they would be able to use him at end and nose tackle with jenkins and it would obviously hurt the Pats - they've shown that their willing to give up draft picks to get talented players and since they're in the bottom 4 they are limited in who they will be able to sign in free agency if there is an uncapped year. It's my understanding that the limitations do not apply to franchised players or RFA's.

You don't trade a player like Wilfork to a division rival especially one who is possibly your biggest contender for the division unless they give away the farm for him and even then you gotta think four times.