Why the hate for Randy Moss?

[BradyFTW!]

He's a disappearing act this year and Brady is killing this team with costly picks trying to force the ball to his binky.

Through last week, Moss leads the league in yards in TDs. How the hell is he pulling a disappearing act? And how is Brady making bad reads Moss's fault? That falls squarely on Brady.

One of the dumbest trends that I've seen on this forum is blaming Moss for the bad passes that Brady's thrown his way. Nobody's forcing Brady to make those throws.

 

[stavros27]

Rhody, you need to work harder to hide your blatant, borderline embarrassing bias against Randy Moss.

 

[Jangles]

Satch, pull your head out of Randy's a** and watch the actual games dink. Running up scores on inferior teams week in and week out (2007) to pull stats doesn't quite qualify as becoming a better QB with Randy Moss around. Teams eventually figured the Patriots offense out in '07 and Moss did jack crap in the playoffs that year. He's a disappearing act this year and Brady is killing this team with costly picks trying to force the ball to his binky. Try watching the actual games and then analyze what you see. This offense can't score in the 2nd half, they can't beat good teams anywhere and they can't win on the road.
In their 5 losses this is the Patriots offense in the 2nd half
0 points - Jets
0 points - Broncos
10 points w/ 2 red zone TO's including a pick to Moss - Colts
7 points w/ mo changing drive stopping pick to Moss - Saints
WHO was covering his Greatness that Saints game?? Embarrassing!!
7 points w/ 4th qtr red zone pick to Moss - Dolphins
WHO was covering his Greatness that Dolphins game?? Embarrassing!!

LOL

You mad brah?

Seriously though, you fail hard

 

[Satchboogie3]

Satch, pull your head out of Randy's a** and watch the actual games dink. Running up scores on inferior teams week in and week out (2007) to pull stats doesn't quite qualify as becoming a better QB with Randy Moss around. Teams eventually figured the Patriots offense out in '07 and Moss did jack crap in the playoffs that year. He's a disappearing act this year and Brady is killing this team with costly picks trying to force the ball to his binky. Try watching the actual games and then analyze what you see. This offense can't score in the 2nd half, they can't beat good teams anywhere and they can't win on the road.
In their 5 losses this is the Patriots offense in the 2nd half
0 points - Jets
0 points - Broncos
10 points w/ 2 red zone TO's including a pick to Moss - Colts
7 points w/ mo changing drive stopping pick to Moss - Saints
WHO was covering his Greatness that Saints game?? Embarrassing!!
7 points w/ 4th qtr red zone pick to Moss - Dolphins
WHO was covering his Greatness that Dolphins game?? Embarrassing!!

Again, my point is that Brady had his struggles pre-Moss too. Are you seriously going to tell me that Brady never threw a pick trying to get the ball to Branch? When Brady is lights out in the first half (and Moss scored a 50+ yard TD) then absolutely sucks in the 2nd half, that is all Randy's fault? You don't think any of it had to do with the fact that Brady had an injured finger and broken Ribs, the O-line collapsing again, or the play calling? No, it's just all Moss?

You are blaming the entire offense's problems on a WR... that's ridiculous. Is Moss supposed to have 2000 yards receiving and score a TD everytime he catches the ball? Get real.

As for the playoffs last year, perhaps teams saw what Moss did during the season and said "No matter what, Moss will not beat us." Guess what, that's exactly what the teams did. Half of the defense was on Moss and they would all react to him, leaving everyone else wide open. Here's Brady's line from the Jax game: 26 of 28 (92.9%), 262 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 141.4 QB Rating. Everyone not named Moss was wide open the entire game... because they were focusing on Moss.

Come back when you are willing to use logic.

 

[patsfan-1982]

dose any one realy think brady would be better with out moss ?

brady only passed for 4000 yerd once befor moss and never had more then 28 TD and averaged 12 INT's


the pats never had a top 5 offense and only had a top 10 offense twice corey Dillon, first 2 years here


take moss off this team and you will see welkers numbers cut in half and they wont score more then 15 points

 

[BillBelichickFan79]

I don't get the hate for Moss, he's been nothing but a good soldier for us. And don't give me that he hasn't won anything crap. If a few freak occurrences in the last 2 minutes of the Super Bowl don't occur, we aren't even having this discussion. He did, after all, catch what should have been the game winning TD didn't he?

If anything I'd like to see Moss more involved in the offense getting 8 to 10 catches per game. I don't like how he's consistently being used as a deep threat only. I want to see him used more on slants, crossing routes, and even screens. The guy still has some of the best wheels in the NFL, so just get the ball in his hands.

Yes he had trouble with Revis, but Revis is the best CB in the league. The pick by Brady in the end zone was a terrible play by BRADY. He panicked when he saw the clock at 1 and quick snapped it and just threw it up. Moss didn't have any chance at the ball. He was behind Davis and the ball was basically thrown right to Davis, it wasn't high enough for Randy to even have a chance. And the 4th down they went for vs the Saints was not his fault either. McKenzie made a nice play on a predictable route that was being run by Moss because Brady had his eyes locked on him the whole play.

Moss is the least of this team's problems. He was leading the league in receiving after last week. Without him, Welker is not nearly as effective and Brady would be struggling even more.

 

[farn]

No hate for RFM here... he's changed the team since 07. Certainly not his fault things aren't panning out. When you lead the league in yards, I don't care how much you dominate teams with losing records. Those teams have good players too and they can't stop Randy.

To those who suggest he doesn't deliver in the clutch - who caught the go ahead TD in the last game of 07 on 3rd down ? Or the winning TD in game #16 after having sprinted down the field on the previous play ? Or caught an unbelievable TD vs the Jets last year to force OT ? Not his fault they lost the flip or that Favre converted on 3rd and 17...

Moss haters can have 11 all-out-hussle Eckels on the field if you want, I'll take my chances with arguably the greatest player of all-time at his position (though the argument would be easier if I said top 5).

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Through last week, Moss leads the league in yards in TDs. How the hell is he pulling a disappearing act? And how is Brady making bad reads Moss's fault? That falls squarely on Brady.

One of the dumbest trends that I've seen on this forum is blaming Moss for the bad passes that Brady's thrown his way. Nobody's forcing Brady to make those throws.

Tell us about Randy's "numbers" last week against the Dolphins. That game is a great indication of how are very misleading stats can be.
You guys are hilarious when you roll out these stats for a 7 - 5 football team that everyone (except in Mossland) realizes is 7 - 5 because of their greatly underachieving offense.
Of course Brady is forcing throws to Moss. It's right in front of your eyes. You lose all credibility by denying what the rest of the world is seeing.
You Moss sychophants on this board are hilarious.....and blind. Now get those stats from last weeks game and tell us how great Randy was. After all the stats don't lie right??

Moss is what he is and always has been, a very talented and equally lazy player who's never won anything in the NFL and sooner or later becomes a malcontent and teams grow tired of him.
Moss isn't the problem, the Moss influence over Brady is the problem. Tom Brady led the Pats to 3 SB's by finding the open receiver. Brady is now literally costing his team games (see last week in Miami) by forcing the ball into double coverage trying to keep his binky happy.
It's a losing way to run an offense and that's what's happening, losing.

 

[makoute]

Tell us about Randy's "numbers" last week against the Dolphins. That game is a great indication of how are very misleading stats can be.
You guys are hilarious when you roll out these stats for a 7 - 5 football team that everyone (except in Mossland) realizes is 7 - 5 because of their greatly underachieving offense.
Of course Brady is forcing throws to Moss. It's right in front of your eyes. You lose all credibility by denying what the rest of the world is seeing.
You Moss sychophants on this board are hilarious.....and blind. Now get those stats from last weeks game and tell us how great Randy was. After all the stats don't lie right??

Moss is what he is and always has been, a very talented and equally lazy player who's never won anything in the NFL and sooner or later becomes a malcontent and teams grow tired of him.
Moss isn't the problem, the Moss influence over Brady is the problem. Tom Brady led the Pats to 3 SB's by finding the open receiver. Brady is now literally costing his team games (see last week in Miami) by forcing the ball into double coverage trying to keep his binky happy.
It's a losing way to run an offense and that's what's happening, losing.

When you say never win anything, are you strictly referring to super bowl wins?

 

[captain stone]

Why the hate for Moss? Today is why the hate for Moss.

RhodyPatriot has now been proven 100%, dead-on correct, and the blind, stat-loving homers dead wrong, as usual.

The Ratio on offense is the same as Adalius on defense: Cancer.

 

[Satchboogie3]

Why the hate for Moss? Today is why the hate for Moss.

RhodyPatriot has now been proven 100%, dead-on correct, and the blind, stat-loving homers dead wrong, as usual.

The Ratio on offense is the same as Adalius on defense: Cancer.

Jerry Rice had his fair share of bad games, whats your point?

Since joining NE:
45 games: 235 Receptions, 3559 yards, 15.1 Y/C, 43 TD, 80.9 Y/G. He has had 18 100+ yard games and 26 games with at least 1 TD.

Just to give you some perspective, no WR has gained more yards, scored more TDs, or had more 100+ yard games than Moss since 2007.

People talk about Branch and Troy Brown as the type of receivers we need yet they don't hold a candle to Moss. In his 4 years in NE (53 games) Branch didn't once reach 1000 yards, averaged just over 50 yards a game, and he scored less TDs in those 4 years than Moss scored in 1 season. (14 TD, to be exact, or just 3.5 TD per season). 16 games he had 2 receptions or less (once every 3 1/3 games). Moss only has had 6 such games (once every 7.5 games). He only had 8 games with 100+ yards receiving (10 less than Moss ). He NEVER had a game with more than 1 TD (including playoffs) while Moss has had 13 games with 2+ TDs.

Troy Brown only once eclipsed the 1,000 yard mark in 12 season. He scored less TDs in 12+ seasons than Moss has in 2+ seasons. He had less 100+ yard games than Moss (14 in 12+ years). Only once did he score 2 TDs in a single game. He had 46 games with 2 or fewer receptions. However, even when he did catch 5 or 6 passes it still only equated to 57-68 yards because his Y/C isn't too great (11.4).

Heck even Stanley Morgan, the best WR this team had before Moss and Welker arrived, was nothing in comparison to what Moss has done with the Pats.

The teams scoring has skyrocketed since Moss joined the team, Brady has played on another level (This year he is still outperforming his pre-Moss career averages), and the team has won over 77% of the time (even with Brady missing a full season). The team won 73% of the time in the Branch era.

Stop being stupid.

 

[Sangreal95]

When this team straightens out in time for the playoffs and Randy Moss abuses some teams they will commence the ball washing.

This dude loves Tom Brady and is simply an emotional type of guy who is frustrated.

He will not quit on this team. I guaranty that he will go OFF before 2009 is over.

Jodee

 

[WelshPat]

Jerry Rice had his fair share of bad games, whats your point?

Since joining NE:
45 games: 235 Receptions, 3559 yards, 15.1 Y/C, 43 TD, 80.9 Y/G. He has had 18 100+ yard games and 26 games with at least 1 TD.

Just to give you some perspective, no WR has gained more yards, scored more TDs, or had more 100+ yard games than Moss since 2007.

People talk about Branch and Troy Brown as the type of receivers we need yet they don't hold a candle to Moss. In his 4 years in NE (53 games) Branch didn't once reach 1000 yards, averaged just over 50 yards a game, and he scored less TDs in those 4 years than Moss scored in 1 season. (14 TD, to be exact, or just 3.5 TD per season). 16 games he had 2 receptions or less (once every 3 1/3 games). Moss only has had 6 such games (once every 7.5 games). He only had 8 games with 100+ yards receiving (10 less than Moss ). He NEVER had a game with more than 1 TD (including playoffs) while Moss has had 13 games with 2+ TDs.

Troy Brown only once eclipsed the 1,000 yard mark in 12 season. He scored less TDs in 12+ seasons than Moss has in 2+ seasons. He had less 100+ yard games than Moss (14 in 12+ years). Only once did he score 2 TDs in a single game. He had 46 games with 2 or fewer receptions. However, even when he did catch 5 or 6 passes it still only equated to 57-68 yards because his Y/C isn't too great (11.4).

Heck even Stanley Morgan, the best WR this team had before Moss and Welker arrived, was nothing in comparison to what Moss has done with the Pats.

The teams scoring has skyrocketed since Moss joined the team, Brady has played on another level (This year he is still outperforming his pre-Moss career averages), and the team has won over 77% of the time (even with Brady missing a full season). The team won 73% of the time in the Branch era.

Stop being stupid.

Amen brother. I don't think that dude will stop being stupid though.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

I sincerely hope it's just injury that's distracting him.

If it is, then his apparent lack of effort to break up INTs is completely understandable. He just can't. And that's fine, I don't expect him to destroy his body.

But at the same time...if he IS fine, I hope it's just age.

If it's age then hopefully (if need be, salary cap notwithstanding) they'll agree to a reduced salary. 9 million (I think... I remember it was 3/27) is a bit much for a guy who could potentially fall off a cliff productivity-wise due to age.

If it's injury, next year's opponents better watch out when he's at 100 percent.

 

[mb6592]

Satch, pull your head out of Randy's a** and watch the actual games dink. Running up scores on inferior teams week in and week out (2007) to pull stats doesn't quite qualify as becoming a better QB with Randy Moss around. Teams eventually figured the Patriots offense out in '07 and Moss did jack crap in the playoffs that year. He's a disappearing act this year and Brady is killing this team with costly picks trying to force the ball to his binky. Try watching the actual games and then analyze what you see. This offense can't score in the 2nd half, they can't beat good teams anywhere and they can't win on the road.
In their 5 losses this is the Patriots offense in the 2nd half
0 points - Jets
0 points - Broncos
10 points w/ 2 red zone TO's including a pick to Moss - Colts
7 points w/ mo changing drive stopping pick to Moss - Saints
WHO was covering his Greatness that Saints game?? Embarrassing!!
7 points w/ 4th qtr red zone pick to Moss - Dolphins
WHO was covering his Greatness that Dolphins game?? Embarrassing!!

Don't bother. There are way too many fantsy footballers on this site to bring nuance to this debate. Would any of the following quotes have been made in reference to Welker or Brown? True champions don't mope and don't let adversity affect there play. As I previously stated, I don't care about the drops or the fumble. But when the going gets tough, the tough get going. Can any of you Moss apologists say that about him?

“He didn’t play as hard as he could,” ex-Pats safety and NBC analyst Rodney Harrison said on “Football Night in America.”

"He was frustrated in himself and the situation, and it's something you've got to fight through," Brady said. "He keeps fighting through it. You have those days where it's not all great, but you keep lining up and you've got to keep fighting."

"we knew he'd shut it down." "He'd just give up a lot; slow down; he's not going deep; not trying to run a route. You can tell (by) his body language," the paper quoted Panthers cornerback Chris Gamble as saying. "I know everyone who plays against him, they can sense that. Once you get into him in the beginning of the game, he shuts it down a little bit."

"If you're a quarterback, you throw picks, you throw bad balls. If you're a receiver, you drop balls. If you're a running back, you fumble balls. You know, it's just part of the process," Brady said. "It's about making the next one a good one and not making the next one a bad one because you're a little bit down in the dumps."

Sounds like Brady is imploring him to rise up to the challenge. That shouldn't be necessary at this point. Here's hoping he gets it at age 32.

Please don't point out anecdotal evidence (2007 catch). Character doesn't come and go - you either have it or you don't.

 

[bigcountry75]

I am one that wants moss to do well and think he has made our team better but from what I saw yesterday I am just disgusted at his effort.....That pick brady threw (yeah it was thrown a little wide) but moss just jogged his route and when he broke to the sideline he didn't break hard......The fumble ehhhh was questionable but I don't attribute that to effort just ball security......That slant that he dropped was just PITIFUL.....He just stuck his hands out and it went right throw and he just jogged back to the huddle.....No emotion for dropping the ball, no disgust with himself, it just seems to me like he is going through the motions and that is not good.....I don't think I have ever seen moss drop some balls like he is this year and that is frustrating to watch.....Injured or not his effort to break up INT's is non-existent.....I don't even care if he tackles the defender in the endzone and gets a penalty but in the redzone especially we can't take points off the board.....I really hope he gets on track because I am not a moss hater......

TBH we have half a team that is playing extremely hard and some that seem to be going through the motions and it is really pissing me off.....I definitely see a full house cleaning next season and we need to bring in a guy like a Ray Lewis on defense for leadership.....I live in baltimore and have hated on Ray because I get sick of hearing about him but that mediocre play and effort would not be tolerated with a guy like him on the team.....we need leadership and we can right the ship quick....

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Don't bother. There are way too many fantsy footballers on this site to bring nuance to this debate. Would any of the following quotes have been made in reference to Welker or Brown? True champions don't mope and don't let adversity affect there play. As I previously stated, I don't care about the drops or the fumble. But when the going gets tough, the tough get going. Can any of you Moss apologists say that about him? ...................Sounds like Brady is imploring him to rise up to the challenge. That shouldn't be necessary at this point. Here's hoping he gets it at age 32. Please don't point out anecdotal evidence (2007 catch). Character doesn't come and go - you either have it or you don't.

Isn't it embarrassing how so many Patriot fans continue to make excuses for a lazy malcontent like Randy Moss?? What the hell has this guy ever won in a Patriot uni to merit such loyalty?? It's obvious lots of pinkhats reside in Gillette stadium too. It's not just Fenway where you'll find fans who just lap it up no matter what. I miss the days when sports fans around here would never tolerate a malcontent like Moss. As you say, character doesn't come and go and that's a word that NOBODY has ever attached to Randy Moss.

 

[Halifax_Pats_Fan]

Put me in the wait and see category.

That was one game, bad yes, could it have cost us the game/season, it could have but it didn't. We are battling with the jets and dolphins right now. There is little room for lack of effort. 81, it was a sub-par performance and no-one knows the frusteration like yourself when you are constantly getting doubled.

The thing is, Moss helps the team by running his routes hard, and getting the coverages. Other guys can step up. We need 100 % on Sundays for the next three weeks. May have been a public embarassment on Wednesday but guess what, that is over and done with. Who gives a rip about Wednesday? Lessons learned....moving on...

Personally I am rooting for Moss. He is human for crying out loud. He needs to know that the team is there to support him and each other. You have to play for one another.

Moss, tear it up these last three games. Yes you are getting older as we all are, but you are an elite NFL receiver still. As prime said last night, if that dude thinks Moss has lost a step or shuts it down maybe he should go up one on one with him. After that game he may change his tone.

There is lots of important football left to be played....

 

[rareduck09]

Moss has played poorly in the last few games. He has allowed interceptions of balls he should have caught. Randy just is not aggressive. The Patriots only have one good WR, and that is Wess Walker! A bigger problem than Moss is Belichick has had years to get a good pass rusher. the Patriots have not had a good pass rusher since Tippet!

 

[Satchboogie3]

You idiots who keep complaining about Moss don't understand that there isn't anything to replace such production.

Even if Moss didn't put forth full effort (which I don't think is the case), there is still NO ONE who could replace his production. You take Moss off the team and the offense is in deep ****.

Do you people seriously want this team to regress offensively when we don't have a defense like we did during the championship years?