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I missed the game (up all night with trauma, so I was sleeping), so I obviously can't comment on specifics. However, from what I can tell, the defense hasn't been the problem so far this season. They held the Jets to 254 yards total offense and 16 points, and held Buffalo to around 280 yards total offense and 17 points (the remaining 7 coming on a defensive TD). So much for the theory that our offense was going to have to carry us and win 38-35 shootouts. The secondary has been the strongest we've seen in a long while. The LBs corps was thin going in and Mayo's loss has been huge, but the LBs have performed reasonably given those constraints. The DL hasn't been up to par so far. Seymour's loss has definitely hurt. I don't see Jarvis Green as the answer. But again, the defense has not been the problem.

Perhaps people will give up the idea that this offense is going to be a 2007 juggernaut. Anytime you put 9 points on the board and get shut out in the 2nd half, you can't expect to win. With the exception of the last 5 minutes against Buffalo, the offense has so far put up 22 points and one TD in 7 and a half quarters of play - obviously not adequate. We led at the half today, but the Jets shut down our offense when it counted, so they deserved to win today.

Lots of adjustments to be made, and a lot of work to be done to make this team play up to its potential. But SBs are played in February, not September.


I agree. The defense has played better than expected. The offense far worse than expected. Brady has some serious rust and the o-line's pass protection has been poor.
 
Your analysis is pretty good your opening statement is off though.

I know we all thought the running game was going to be used to get Brady going again but apperently he feels the best way to get him going is to have him actually throw (not to crazy an idea.

call it soft or whatever but they went into a hostile environment and played there ass off today. if two of three field goal drives in the first half were TDs then we win if one was its tied and who knows. On one of those drives Brady missed a wide open Edelman and on another Edelman droped a wide open pass. Despite all the struggles today they could have won this game if a couple of plays were different.

we are one and one and Brady hasn't looked like himself except for 5 min at the end of the Bills game.

We didn't have two of our best players in Mayo and Welker and another one of best Defenders was out for half the game in Merriweather and this was still a winable game. STs, Penalties, and Shakey play by Brady lost this one today.
 
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Are you watching the game? Or do you not comprehend what you're watching and back up your facts with simple statistics?

It's pretty ridiculous to say because he wasn't sacked once today the OL did a good job protecting him. Did you not hear the analysts say time and time again "Brady hits the deck"

How long will he last with the protection being this bad? But forget about pass protection. What about run blocking? Everyone hear is begging why they went away from running. Well, when you're getting 2, at best 3-4 yards every other pop that's not going to work. The OL not only got Brady knocked up all day, the RBs had no holes to run through. You can't blame anyone but the ponies, not the horses, we have upfront.

I'm tired of watching them week in and out be weak up the middle. I'm tired of watching Brady get beat. They need to improve.


Oh, and one more thing. While I think the OL did a terrible job of pass protection, I think they did a good enough job of run blocking. When the team DID run, Fred Taylor managed 5.8 YPC and Maroney averaged nearly 4.0 (3.8 to be exact). That's pretty solid if you ask me. So that "poof" sound that you're hearing right now, that's your theory of the running game being cut out because of bad run blocking.
 
I thought you were 99% on in this post.

One quibble. The Patriots' fans mentioning the chants of Brady sucks are not defending his performance today. That chant is the equivalent of Sox fans chanting "Jeter sucks" after Jeter strikes out two or three times in a game. In other words, it's lame. That doesn't stop Sox fans from chanting it though.
 
Note to mods: Ian told me to repost this.

I honestly can't remember the last time I saw the team as a whole look as pathetic as they did today. And, when you read this, keep in mind that I have a long history on this forum and those that know me don't generally know me to be a "Chicken Little". There just didn't seem to be any heart from top to bottom. Here are my thoughts:

1. Brady: If he keeps playing scared like he did today and last week, it's going to be a long season for us. I had actually made a thread in the preseason detailing my concerns about how he wasn't stepping into his throws all the way and looked skiddish in the pocket and had it dismissed by others who quickly reminded me that, "it's the preseason". Too true. It's just too bad those concerns translated into the regular season. Tommy came out last week and immediately pulled the same stunt. His mechanics bordered on horrible. Sure, he was pressured at times. But even at times which he wasn't pressured, he seemed to be hurring his throws and not stepping fully into a pass. For some reason, that stopped in the 4th quarter. Jaws was kind enough to point out to us that Brady began stepping into his throws and, when that happened, we were able to drive effortlessly down the field which Brady comfortably making throws within and outside of 15 yards. Today, he just didn't seem to carry that 4th quarter confidence over with him and again looked rusty. From beginning to the end he never seemed comfortable and, even during times when the pressure wasn't there, didn't fully step into throws and/or hurried them. It's very obvious that the mental hurdle for Brady is still a very tall one and our offensive line doesn't seem to be helping him out that much. Hopefully he can get his act together because the season doesn't appear to get any easier with match-ups against Atlanta and Baltimore coming up.

Coaching: I was absolutely bewildered today at our near complete abandonment of the run... again. When we first brought in Freddy Taylor to run with Maroney, Faulk, and Morris, my original thoughts were that we were going to lean heavily on the running game in the beginning of the year until Tommy gets his bearings again. Well, again today, it turned out I was wrong. Simply put, Brady cannot attempt 47 passes in a game against a Rex Ryan defense with the way he was playing today and still expect to win. During the times when we DID go with the running game, I thought Taylor and LoMo looked great... especially coming out of draw plays. However, there were just too many series where the ball was put into Brady's hands, and he just simply wasn't ready to lead us for the whole game. At the end of the first half, we were beginning to break off good chunks of yardage for every running play we called. Why we didn't go with that formula in the second half is beyond me. Just bad coaching there.

Offensive Line: The OL did a good job of not allowing Brady to get sacked, but you can probably contribute that to Brady getting rid of the ball quickly when it looked like the sack was coming instead of the O-Line. In all, Brady was pressured pretty much all day despite under 20 blitzes being called by the Jets defense. He was hit time and time again and was hit hard. If he continues taking that kind of abuse, he will be injured by season's end. Those of us that called for the team to draft Ryan Clady in the wake of the 2007 season and Oher in the wake of the 2008 season are wondering why not. The pass protection has GOT to improve because this Jets team isn't going to be the only team we see this season that is going to bring the heat on Brady. The one thing the OL did good today was run block. However, like I said, the running game just wasn't used effectively enough to take advantage of that.

WRs: This unit was clearly hurting by the loss of Welker. I know I'm not alone, but I wish him a speedy recovery. Lord knows that we're going to need his services in the next two weeks. Edelman did look great today and, despite the *****ing and moaning of those on the Galloway hate train, Joey caught 5 balls for 53 yards. Not all that bad. However, neither of them can do what Wes does. Because of Wes, the defense is forced to commit to coverage underneath which takes the heat off of Moss. With Welker out, the Jets' defense keyed in on Moss and all but completely took him out of the game. By the way, Galloway shouldn't take flak for that would-be touchdown. He was open but Brady threw the ball too late. Edelman also would have had a touchdown as well had the ball not been thrown away from him. All in all, I wasn't terribly impressed by the play of the WRs today, but they are getting way too much flak thrown their way for the loss. When Welker gets back, I think we'll see the passing game that we're all accustomed to. I would also love to see Edelman become the other slot receiver on the other side of Welker. That would be one very dangerous passing game with those two operating underneath along with Watson and Baker.

Defense: Clearly we are missing the presence that Seymour brought to this team. The push that used to come off of his side of the line has been non-existant in the first two games so far. With that said, I thought that the defense did a good enough job with what they were asked to do today. They contained the Jesters running game and kept Washington and Jones within check. However, the coaching staff needs to realize that more pressure has to come from the linebackers at times. We cannot simply rely on that four man rush coming from the line against a good OL like the one the Jets have. Today, that four man rush simply wasn't getting to Sanchez and he ate us for lunch. When BB finally decided to mess around with some blitzes, we got pressure and hit Sanchez (the one by TBC stands out). I know that if you live by the blitz, you die by the blitz. I understand that. However, if we don't blitz against a good OL, we don't get to the QB. It's as simple as that.

Special Teams: Do I even have to say anything here. Just wow. I know Leon Washington is dangerous but wow...

Penalties: We shot outselves in the foot time and time again with needless penalties. Since BB has been coaching this team, I cannot remember the last time we got two delay of game penalties... IN A ROW. The holding and false start penalties were costly. We just didn't play smart, Bill Belichick football today and we payed for it.

Final thoughts: I know it's against the law around here to go against Tommy and agree with Jets fans, but those of you whining and complaining about the Jet fans chanting "Brady sucks" need to take a step back. They were right. Brady did suck today. However, he will get better. All athletes have a mental hurdle they need to climb after a serious injury and Brady's is going to be bigger because he was considered Iron Man before his injury and the injury didn't occur until later in his career. But, rest assured, he will start stepping into this throws down the line. When he gets back to his old self, Welker gets back, and Mayo gets back, this team will be very VERY dangerous. Hopefully Tommy and Wes can take steps into those directions quickly because we have a tough test coming up in Atlanta.

How about giving some credit to the other team? What is with all this rubbish about heart and how he looked on the final drive. Seriously you must be joking with this. The ball to Edelman on the 10 that was a 2nd and 2 was a drop, drop got it. He should have scored easily but he started to run before he caught it. Your obviously especially upset with this loss, because you've been running your Rex Ryan Slimfast ad campaign in your sig.

Here's what I see in less words.

This team has allot of new moving parts that have'nt come together yet. OFF. Cord., New backs and recievers. Young guys in bigger roles on Def. A star quarterback who hasn't played in a year. Atlanta gets beat. Doubt is powerfull fuel for championship teams, keep up the good work.
 
i would consider welker to be brady's safety blanket....do u believe maybe tom was even more uneasy b/c wes wasnt in the game?
 
Oh, and one more thing. While I think the OL did a terrible job of pass protection, I think they did a good enough job of run blocking. When the team DID run, Fred Taylor managed 5.8 YPC and Maroney averaged nearly 4.0 (3.8 to be exact). That's pretty solid if you ask me. So that "poof" sound that you're hearing right now, that's your theory of the running game being cut out because of bad run blocking.

The amount of overloads they got today!!!! The line played well. The Offensive staff did nothing to help them out, but they are still finging their way. Seriously, the line stunk.. I thought they were out manned and held up real well with few protection breakdowns......
 
The problem I see with this team goes back to the 07 Superbowl. The offensive scheme that they use can't stand up to the type of defense the Giants threw at us and both the Bills and the Jets definitely learned from that game. Ever since Charlie Wiess left the coaching on the offensive side of the ball has gone down hill. Despite the undefeated season in 07, they lost the Superbowl, so the rest is meaningless. This years game planning on the offensive side has SUCKED!!!! There is no excuse going into play the Jets and having no answer for a defense that the coaches KNEW was coming. Belichek over the years has been a master at building and managing the player personnel side. But he has FAILED completely on the development of new coaching on the offensive side of the ball. The truth is they should be 0-2 against middle of the road teams who will not contend for playoff spots and there seems to be no answer from the coaching staff. My question is has Belichek gotten too full of himself, too complacent in game planning and preparation and not adjusting to the fact that the NFL knows how to beat the Patriots. Could be a very long year.
 
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Well Gentlemen, heres one positive to take out of this weekends action. Both the jaguars and titans lost (both 0 and 2). We got there 2nd round picks next year..
 
How about giving some credit to the other team?

Either look around in other threads or just ask Gunnails how much credit I gave to the other team. The Jets earned it, but the Pats had multiple chances to win this game and the offense blew it. Sorry, but I didn't see any heart on that side of the ball and saw even less of it at the end of the game. If you thought the team played with heart, then I'm terrified to see what they would look like if they DIDN'T play with any.

Seriously you must be joking with this. The ball to Edelman on the 10 that was a 2nd and 2 was a drop, drop got it. He should have scored easily but he started to run before he caught it.

What? That ball was clearly overthrown. Edelman didn't even come close to catching it, much less "started running before he caught it".

Your obviously especially upset with this loss, because you've been running your Rex Ryan Slimfast ad campaign in your sig.

Try that I'm upset with the loss because I love the Pats, love Brady as a player, and hate the Jets. I wasn't exactly thinking, "damn, my sig on Patsfans.com slash messageboard is going to make me look bad when they lose! Great Scott! What am I to do?". :rolleyes:

This team has allot of new moving parts that have'nt come together yet. OFF. Cord., New backs and recievers. Young guys in bigger roles on Def. A star quarterback who hasn't played in a year. Atlanta gets beat.

Uh, alvin, I'm not sure if you noticed this or not (but I am talking to the same guy that is blaming the missed Edelman opportunity on Edelman instead of Brady, so I'm not surpised), but the defense has a helluva lot more moving parts than the offense does, and they clearly outplayed their counterparts on the other side of the ball. You're making excuses for a crappy performance. Luckily for us, Belichick is not.

Doubt is powerfull fuel for championship teams, keep up the good work.

Cool! So I can look forward to Brady saying, "We won this because KontradictioN said we looked awful in Week 2!" when he hoists the Lombardi trophy after Super Bowl 44. Oh, and one more thing... make not mistake about it: I still believe that this team is going to finish their season in Miami this year.
 
I am not using this as an excuse for losing today but can someone find me 1 passing play where a jets player was not hanging all over our wr's before the ball got there. It seemed like every pass play they were getting there early or hitting our arms or pulling jersey's and nothing was being called. To me that was total BS. I feel that the offense is too predictable as it showed when edelman got blown up on that quick pass to the right. We have to come out and go double tight and run power and mix in the spread. We can't just go spread all day and throw on good defenses. I do think when welker comes back that will be huge with 4 wides of moss, galloway, welker and edelman. 1 loss doesn't make a season but I think we need to improve quickly as that will turn into 4,5,6 losses before we know it.
 
I am not using this as an excuse for losing today but can someone find me 1 passing play where a jets player was not hanging all over our wr's before the ball got there. It seemed like every pass play they were getting there early or hitting our arms or pulling jersey's and nothing was being called. To me that was total BS. I feel that the offense is too predictable as it showed when edelman got blown up on that quick pass to the right. We have to come out and go double tight and run power and mix in the spread. We can't just go spread all day and throw on good defenses. I do think when welker comes back that will be huge with 4 wides of moss, galloway, welker and edelman. 1 loss doesn't make a season but I think we need to improve quickly as that will turn into 4,5,6 losses before we know it.

We won a couple of Super Bowls by being physical with WRs. That said, there could have been a couple of more flags thrown on the Jets for pass interference today. However, that isn't what lost us the game.
 
The problem I see with this team goes back to the 07 Superbowl. The offensive scheme that they use can't stand up to the type of defense the Giants threw at us and both the Bills and the Jets definitely learned from that game. Ever since Charlie Wiess left the coaching on the offensive side of the ball has gone down hill. Despite the undefeated season in 07, they lost the Superbowl, so the rest is meaningless. This years game planning on the offensive side has SUCKED!!!! There is no excuse going into play the Jets and having no answer for a defense that the coaches KNEW was coming. Belichek over the years has been a master at building and managing the player personnel side. But he has FAILED completely on the development of new coaching on the offensive side of the ball. The truth is they should be 0-2 against middle of the road teams who will not contend for playoff spots and there seems to be no answer from the coaching staff. My question is has Belichek gotten too full of himself, too complacent in game planning and preparation and not adjusting to the fact that the NFL knows how to beat the Patriots. Could be a very long year.

Couldnt agree with your more about the play calling. Just got done watching
the charger against the ravens. Rivers was pressured just as much as Brady was today but the difference is Rivers was standing in the pocket and hitting go routes to receivers and tight ends. It reminded me of the Pats 07 season. I didnt see any of that out of the Pats today.
Whatever the problem is (I tend to lean to the OFF COOR) the pats better fix it real quick or this will be a long season.
 
Those of us that called for the team to draft Ryan Clady in the wake of the 2007 season and Oher in the wake of the 2008 season are wondering why not

Wow, what a stud O-line that would turn out to be. I like Mayo, but if you are "Mike Martz" insane enough to throw the football 50+ times a game, you better draft some studs on O-line. When Oher dropped to the Pats with their first pick, I thought for sure they were going to take him but they traded out and got Chung. After hearing Oher's story, I was shocked the Pats didn't pick this kid. Talk about beating adversity.
 
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Couldnt agree with your more about the play calling. Just got done watching
the charger against the ravens. Rivers was pressured just as much as Brady was today but the difference is Rivers was standing in the pocket and hitting go routes to receivers and tight ends. It reminded me of the Pats 07 season. I didnt see any of that out of the Pats today.
Whatever the problem is (I tend to lean to the OFF COOR) the pats better fix it real quick or this will be a long season.

The only difference between the Chargers and the Pats is that the Pats have more healthy RB's than the Chargers. Sproles is electric, but he isn't a guy you want to hand off to 15-20 times a game. The Pats have 4 RB's that can carry the load but rarely use them. It's really bizarre.
 
Wow, what a stud O-line that would turn out to be. I like Mayo, but if you are "Mike Martz" insane enough to throw the football 50+ times a game, you better draft some studs on O-line. When Oher dropped to the Pats with their first pick, I thought for sure they were going to take him but they traded out and got Chung. After hearing Oher's story, I was shocked the Pats didn't trade up for this kid. Talk about beating adversity.

Yeah. I love Mayo too. We really could have struck gold either way there. On top of that, we still don't know what we're going to have with SeaBass in a few years. However, it would have been really nice to have Clady or Oher today.
 
A drop by Edelman...........and a crucial drop by Thomas......with those 2,it's a different story.
 
Looking at the team, they are not any near as talented as 2007 (duh). But player by player the Jets stack up very well against the Patriots. Wilfork, Warren and Thomas (and Mayo) would be the only defensive players that might start for the Jets.

Coaches can coach and scheme but you need the horses to win the big games.

Maybe I am crazy but I think the team claws its way into the playoffs, after that anything can happen. Lets consider these games character builders.
 
The only difference between the Chargers and the Pats is that the Pats have more healthy RB's than the Chargers. Sproles is electric, but he isn't a guy you want to hand off to 15-20 times a game. The Pats have 4 RB's that can carry the load but rarely use them. It's really bizarre.

I agree with you a 100%. My point was more about the difference in play calling.
Primarily from a year ago. Matt Cassell and OFF COOR Mcdaniels looked better than what I have seen the last 2 weeks..
 
I agree with you a 100%. My point was more about the difference in play calling.
Primarily from a year ago. Matt Cassell and OFF COOR Mcdaniels looked better than what I have seen the last 2 weeks..

Do you think TB missing a year and then coming back to a brand new Cord. has anything to do with it?
 
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