Brady and Moss names mentioned in rap lyrics

[nashvillepatsfan]

"Like Minds" is probably one of his best straight jazz albums. Amazing lineup including Gary Burton, Chick Corea, Roy Haynes, and Dave Holland.

now THATS a cool one

Im assuming you're a guitarist. Aside from fusion, do you ever listen to old jazz, like Dave Brubeck?

 

[glm]

Give me the equipment, and I just might.

What kind of challenge is this, anyway? I've put together a piece or two in my day. Count on that. Didn't have to steal or sample anything from anybody.

The challenge is that sampling is much harder than what you perceive it to be, if you can get your hands on some equipment then I want you to make a piece and post it on here.

And I expect it to be above average.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

The challenge is that sampling is much harder than what you perceive it to be, if you can get your hands on some equipment then I want you to make a piece and post it on here.

And I expect it to be above average.

You first

 

[glm]

You first

If you looked at the argument then you would see how he was saying how easy sampling is. So I'm telling him that if he can get hi hands on any equipment, then he makes a piece and posts it on here, and it better to be above average.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

If you looked at the argument then you would see how he was saying how easy sampling is. So I'm telling him that if he can get hi hands on any equipment, then he makes a piece and posts it on here, and it better to be above average.

Well, being that you threw the challenge out there, I thought it only wise that you give us an example of your work

 

[glm]

Well, being that you threw the challenge out there, I thought it only wise that you give us an example of your work

I only threw it out there because he said it was easy.

 

[feldspar]

I only threw it out there because he said it was easy.

I said it was a hell of a lot easier than creating your own music from scratch.

I said this:

It's rapping over someone else's music or a machine's music. That GIGANTIC shortcut alone should give rap a LOT less credence than a group of people that make every sound themselves from scratch. Makes it easier, right? Not all rappers do that, but tons of them do. Rapping over a completely contrived backdrop...that's the worse kind.

I said this:

Why exactly isn't there a band (behind the rapper) that can create their own song? The whole process is way beneath the processes of other genres, which is the exact point. Chop this from somebody, chop that from somebody else...put it all together and call it your own. That almost borders on dishonesty. All musicians take this or that from other musicians, but not so directly or pathetically

I wouldn't know how to go about sampling, and I'm sure it takes some expensive equipment to do. It wouldn't take intruments to do, though...think about that for a second. I'm going to make music without a single instrument.

How about YOU do some sampling, and then create an original song of your own from scratch...post both songs here, and then report back on which one was easier to do. Then you'll see my point. My point was never that it was just plain easy; I wouldn't say that because I don't know how to do it...besides it wouldn't be an interesting thing to do at all.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Debbie Boone didn't exactly light up my life either...but yeah, it's strange what you find yourself liking. There are actually quite a few TV theme songs that I love to death. Welcome Back, Kotter comes to mind. Never had thunk it, but I really like the Dukes of Hazzard theme song. I even like the theme song to "Alice," if you can remember that. It's probably really terrible, but it's part of who I am. Brings back memories of a good place in time.

Three's Company of "come and knock on our door" fame. Crazy little jingles.

Barney Miller
Chico and the Man
Different Strokes
Fat Albert
Mary Tyler Moore
M*A*S*H (Suicide is Painless)
The Love Boat
One Day at a Time
Hawaii-Five-O
The Rockford Files
Taxi

The list is endless. These stupid little songs mean something to me.

We all know that the best theme song in history was Doogie Howser, M.D.

Doogie Howser - Theme Song

Also the most bulletproof premise for a TV show. Genius.

 

[Deus Irae]

If you looked at the argument then you would see how he was saying how easy sampling is. So I'm telling him that if he can get hi hands on any equipment, then he makes a piece and posts it on here, and it better to be above average.

Riding a bike is easy. That doesn't mean that you can hop on it and ride it "above average" without a little practice.

 

[apple strudel]

You haven't been consistent and clear, other than when you've attacked others for pointing out the folly of your arguments. When that's happened, you've been consistently ridiculous.



This is, once again, where your subjective/objective argument has gotten you all in a twist. It's been pointed out to you repeatedly.



You haven't disproved anything other than your own argument.

Using your own statements.

Due to your internal inconsistencies.

However, it's clear that you're going to continue with the silliness of your inconsistent point, so I leave the thread to you. Go imply that more people are racist just because they don't like rap music. That was a truly brilliant argument.

:ugh: I've been perfectly consistent. You can't dismiss an entire genre. It's a fool's game. Like it or not I'm right and it's a true statement for pretty much every genre, and I suspect you've known that I've been right from the beginning.

Unless you're saying it makes sense to dismiss an entire genre as inferior in spite of all the counter examples provided? :ugh:

Unless you're also saying it's not a slippery slope, and it's a sound, rigorous, and acceptable course of reasoning in spite of what music critics and academics say on the subject? :ugh:

Unless you're saying that Stanford and Harvard were wrong to begin a hip hop archive? :ugh:

Unless you're saying that the 300 college courses taught on hip hop shouldn't be taught. :ugh:

Unless you're saying that hip hop doesn't have a literary and folkloric origin traced to the myth of the signifying monkey. :ugh:

Unless you're saying that people like Henry Louis Gates are completely wrong on the subject. :ugh:

This is really embarrassing for you, Deus.

I guess I should just listen to the wise words of Jay-Z.

A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

:ugh: I've been perfectly consistent. You can't dismiss an entire genre. It's a fool's game. Like it or not I'm right and it's a true statement for pretty much every genre, and I suspect you've known that I've been right from the beginning.

Unless you're saying it makes sense to dismiss an entire genre as inferior in spite of all the counter examples provided? :ugh:

Unless you're also saying it's not a slippery slope, and it's a sound, rigorous, and acceptable course of reasoning in spite of what music critics and academics say on the subject? :ugh:

Unless you're saying that Stanford and Harvard were wrong to begin a hip hop archive? :ugh:

Unless you're saying that the 300 college courses taught on hip hop shouldn't be taught. :ugh:

Unless you're saying that hip hop doesn't have a literary and folkloric origin traced to the myth of the signifying monkey. :ugh:

Unless you're saying that people like Henry Louis Gates are completely wrong on the subject. :ugh:

This is really embarrassing for you, Deus.

I guess I should just listen to the wise words of Jay-Z.

I honestly didnt know this emoticon existed till this thread.......:ugh:

 

[apple strudel]

I said it was a hell of a lot easier than creating your own music from scratch.

All art is based on other art. All of it. It's not a matter of where you get some idea from, it's a matter of what you do with it.

 

[apple strudel]

I honestly didnt know this emoticon existed till this thread.......:ugh:

lol (10 chars)

 

[BradyFTW!]

It's funnier when you think about how jazz used to be denigrated as an inferior form of music because it wasn't as technically precise as 'real' music, and didn't require as much formal training and knowledge as 'real' music. Funny how these arguments come full circle, and are always based on the fundamental ignorance and bias of the people who are attempting to claim objective, genre-wide disparities in artistic worth.

It'll be the day when some elitist, arrogant rap purist looks down his nose at whatever the hell form of music comes next, claiming that that music isn't real because it doesn't demand the lyrical precision and talent in creating/mixing beats that 'real' music does.

 

[feldspar]

You can't dismiss an entire genre.

What do you mean I can't? I just did.

 

[atomdomb]

How is this bullsh!t thread still in here. Can't it be moved somewhere else?

 

[feldspar]

All art is based on other art. All of it. It's not a matter of where you get some idea from, it's a matter of what you do with it.

You're right, it's a matter of what you do with it. A lot of rap doesn't borrow, it steals. I could build a foundation for a house, a rapper could happen along, push me out of the way, and tell everybody "yep, I built this foundation. It's mine."

 

[Deus Irae]

:ugh: I've been perfectly consistent. You can't dismiss an entire genre. It's a fool's game. Like it or not I'm right and it's a true statement for pretty much every genre, and I suspect you've known that I've been right from the beginning.

Unless you're saying it makes sense to dismiss an entire genre as inferior in spite of all the counter examples provided? :ugh:

Unless you're also saying it's not a slippery slope, and it's a sound, rigorous, and acceptable course of reasoning in spite of what music critics and academics say on the subject? :ugh:

Unless you're saying that Stanford and Harvard were wrong to begin a hip hop archive? :ugh:

Unless you're saying that the 300 college courses taught on hip hop shouldn't be taught. :ugh:

Unless you're saying that hip hop doesn't have a literary and folkloric origin traced to the myth of the signifying monkey. :ugh:

Unless you're saying that people like Henry Louis Gates are completely wrong on the subject. :ugh:

This is really embarrassing for you, Deus.

I guess I should just listen to the wise words of Jay-Z.

For crying out loud...

Your argument was that it's subjective and that you cannot rate it objectively.

If that's the case, OF COURSE people can dismiss an entire genre as inferior.

Within the bounds of my subjectivity, furthermore, I can lay out perfectly objective criteria for analysis.

If it's not subjective, there are testable things to determine superiority/inferiority. You have not been able to come up with some. In fact, you've insisted that such things don't exist even though it's clear to even someone blind from birth that you could lay out objective standards.

So, your argument is that it's all subjective, but rap can't be dismissed because you say so. That's the bottom line of your argument, and it's ridiculous. From talking instead of singing, to stealing someone else's music instead of making your own, there are ways to evaluate this objectively, both within a genre and cross-genre. You may not like the standards chosen, but that doesn't make them inherently wrong. The SAT is used as an objective test of knowledge despite the cries of some that it's racist/inaccurate/etc....

As for what colleges are teaching, who gives a rat's ass? They teach a lot of idiotic courses, so nothing they add to it will surprise me. I don't say this to denigrate the rap classes, because I'm not posting to put down the genre. I say this to point out the uselessness of that particular argument:

The 15 Strangest College Courses In America | Online Colleges

 

[Kontradiction]

lol I know he isn't saying Frank Reich but it's fun for obscurity

Aye. I figured that you wouldn't mess up the lyrics to the single greatest diss of all time. For those hip hop fans out there that still haven't heard it, YouTube - Tupac - Hit Em Up(Uncensored) is the link. WARNING: It is uncensored and NSFW.

Basically, after 2Pac was shot five times and mugged at Puff Daddy's studio in New York, he blamed the shooting on Biggie and Puffy then claimed that they hid their firearms in his hotel room and got him in trouble with the law. His response was this song. He disses Biggie's entire group including Biggie himself, Lil Kim, Puff Daddy, Mobb Deep (at the end), Lil Caesar, and the rest of the Junior Mafia clique. This diss essentially started both Biggie and Tupac on the road to their deaths.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I said it was a hell of a lot easier than creating your own music from scratch.

I said this:



I said this:


I wouldn't know how to go about sampling, and I'm sure it takes some expensive equipment to do. It wouldn't take intruments to do, though...think about that for a second. I'm going to make music without a single instrument.

How about YOU do some sampling, and then create an original song of your own from scratch...post both songs here, and then report back on which one was easier to do. Then you'll see my point. My point was never that it was just plain easy; I wouldn't say that because I don't know how to do it...besides it wouldn't be an interesting thing to do at all.

I have some friends who went to Berklee and got degrees in music theory and are now successful performers whose work pretty much exclusively consists of mixing drum and bass beats and sampling artists. It's way above my head, but to say that the level of training and intricacy that goes into the process is intense is a pretty profound understatement. Are they real musicians?