Patriots Player Departure Hobbs traded to Philadelphia [mergedx2]

[Sean Pa Patriot]

I do love it when Borges and others say we have not won a super bowl since 2004 with out ty law.. Well guess what , ty law was out for the season Ronnie..

 

[Cramden]

Haven't read the whole thread but was anyone aware Hobbs was unhappy with his contract? I must have missed that. If true it could also explain him being dealt.

Press of Atlantic City, - pressofatlanticcity.com

Eagles trade with New England for another unhappy cornerback

"I'm not happy with my contract at all," said Hobbs, who is scheduled to become a free agent after this season. "You see guys getting lots of money. ... I played through a shoulder injury, a torn groin. I took some blows from the community for it and I know guys who wouldn't have (played with injuries). But I also know that I'm getting paid a lot more money than most people."

 

[Dagg]

I think this is a couple things:

1. Nice Cap room relief for a mid level player certainly not a 1 CB and with ample replacements in place.
2. Maybe Hobbs was a lil pissed since we added Springs, Bodden in FA,then Butler and his nose was all bent out of shape.
3. Over inflated sense of self worth going into a contract year.

 

[DaBruinz]

I’m amazed at the conspicuous absence of our resident blowhard, who never misses an opportunity to call out others as idiots. Here are some of gems:

Originally Posted by TommyBrady12, “…when you have ellis hobbs as your best corner, you have to address that…”

DaBruinz response, “…Just because you and others like you underestimate Hobbs ability it doesn't mean that I do. Hobbs has proven he is a legitimate starter in the league….”

Originally posted by condon84, “…All year long, Hobbs got picked on by opposing teams and I feared that something like that was going to happen in the biggest moment, and when it did, it freaking sucked. That TD pass wasn't even competitive. How this guy still gets defended on this board for the past 4 years of mediocre play is mind boggling…”

DaBruinz response, “…People who know the game and who deal with all the facts defend Hobbs to people like you who ignore facts. Like Hobbs being injured (sports hernia, separated shoulder), but still playing….”

By themselves, these posts are harmless. But taken in the context of his constant demeaning of other posters, well let’s just say - you reap what you sow. Who can forget how he defended the status quo, ridiculing those who were desperate for an overhaul just prior to the WR revolution. His chastising including this ridiculousness:

Originally posted by dhamz, “…I'm assuming we will need to play that same defense or a team with the same type of defense again next year. It would be nice to have a better offense to combat it.”

DaBruinz response, “…The Pats don't need more talent on offense to have a better offense. That is what you are missing. If the Patriots work on their execution of plays, and then execute them during the game, they will be better….”

Well Belichick, obviously, agreed with us peons and not our resident blowhard.

WOW. Talk about cherry picking. I bet you've been waiting all year to post this ignorant stuff.

Hell, the last one doesn't even support what happened here. Hell, none of them do. But you keep telling yourself that it does.

I have never defended the "status quo" as you put it. Otherwise, I would have said that the Pats should just give away their draft picks. Yet, I've never done that.

People like yourself, who cherry pick sentences so they are purposely taken out of context, are worthless posters who bring nothing to the board.

 

[DaBruinz]

This isn't about the "doofusses" on this board, unless you consider Belichick a doofuss. He had enough of Hobbs. What's with the name calling? Should someone call you a doofuss for implicity defending Hobbs in the face of Belichick's rebuke?

Its amazing how you ignore things that other posters point out just so you can sit there and ignorantly slap yourself on the back as if Belichick finally agreed with you.

People have pointed out several things that factor in to the decision to trade Hobbs. Things that aren't MINOR and, in fact, have a greater bearing on the decision to trade Hobbs than anything you've suggested.

The first and biggest item is Hobbs pending status following the 2009 season. Hobbs was to be a free agent (RFA or UFA depending on the CBA status). And would have been one of 12 free agents who were starters on this team. That's a LOT of potential turnover. BB got something for Hobbs instead of potentially nothing as there is no guarantee that a new CBA would include compensatory picks for teams.

By trading Hobbs, he lessens a stacked position to allow 2 of his youngsters to gain more experience and get more playing time. And now, with Butler, it will be 3 youngsters who can get more playing time.

 

[DaBruinz]

To all you Hobbs' apologists, this excuse will not fly. They paid Samuel a bazillion dollars and agreed not to franchise him just for one year of quality cornerbacking. If Belichick thought Hobbs was a bonifide starter, no way he lets him go this cheaply.

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*ROFLMAO* This is clearly spoken by someone who doesn't understand all the different potential things that could happen next off-season.

Prior to the trade, the Pats stood to have 12 of 24 starters being UFA or RFA. They also will have 26 players who will be free agents. So, lessening that by one and getting something for him prior is good management. Not to mention that there was no guarantee that the Patriots would get any compensation for Hobbs if he was a UFA.

 

[Warren94]

I tell ya... Hobbs is a better prospect than Butler. Butler can't tackle his way out of wet paper bag. Thanks Sanders for that.

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

Well, without reading the whole thread, my impression is that I hope the Patriots don't see a huge drop off in kickoff returns with Hobbs being shipped out and the new rules about wedge blocking.


Glad to see this on the other hand because it shows us that Belichick must be feeling pretty solid about the secondary's depth right now, because the 2.25M cap space save and two 5th rounders isn't an offer you can't refuse if you need the player (and want to resign him when he becomes an UFA).

 

[mb6592]

Jesus, you are unbelievable. Do you mean cherry picking like this:

Originally posted by condon84…”The Hobbs apologists need to face the fact that Belichick sent this guy away for two 5th round picks. That says enough about what our coaches thought of his value. The guy was awful….”

DaBruinz response, “coming from someone who doesn't understand the game, I am not surprised that you blame Hobbs for everything. He wasn't awful and its complete folly on your part to say so. It shows you don't know anything about this game called football or what the job of a CB is supposed to be and how it relates to the other members of the defense.”

Hobbs was a solid #2 CB who was also one of the best in the league at KRs, as others have stated. The other team ALWAYS had to be weary of him breaking one.

You completely ignored condon84’s bigger point about Belichick having the final say regarding Hobbs’ worth. Before this trade, I struggled with Hobbs. I also liked his toughness and his willingness to take on any assignment. I was also hesitant to blame him for lapses as it was hard to distinguish between his deficiencies and the overall deficiencies of the defense. But let’s not kid ourselves. Springs, Bodden, Wheatley, Wilhite and Butler do not, at this point, represent a higher echelon backfield and 2.5mm is not a lot of money for a “solid #2 CB who was also one of the best in the league at KRs.” So, regardless of your penchant for belittling all who dare have their own opinions, it is obvious that Belichick does not share your appraisal. And you can bash all you want but the facts speak for themselves. Bottom line is this, even taking all things into account, Hobbs would still be here (if only for a year) if he was a “solid #2 CB.” 2.5 mm is a pittance for a “solid #2 CB.” I would also point out that the signings of Bodden and Springs answered the question of whether or not Belichick thought Hobbs was a “solid #2 CB.”

It’s amazing how you ignore things that other posters point out just so you can sit there and ignorantly slap yourself on the back as if Belichick finally agreed with you.

I take no credit for being on the same side as Belichick. I liked Hobbs. I hate the way you belittle others who have a different opinion than you.

People have pointed out several things that factor in to the decision to trade Hobbs. Things that aren't MINOR and, in fact, have a greater bearing on the decision to trade Hobbs than anything you've suggested. The first and biggest item is Hobbs pending status following the 2009 season. Hobbs was to be a free agent (RFA or UFA depending on the CBA status), and would have been one of 12 free agents who were starters on this team. That's a LOT of potential turnover. BB got something for Hobbs instead of potentially nothing as there is no guarantee that a new CBA would include compensatory picks for teams.

Just because you say it, doesn’t make it so. Do you understand this point? While I agree that everything is factored when one makes a decision, the bottom line is this - if Belichick thought that Hobbs was a “solid #2 CB,” he would (for 2.5 mm??? even if only for 1 year???) still be on this team and some personnel moves would probably not have been necessary.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Jesus, you are unbelievable. Do you mean cherry picking like this:

Originally posted by condon84…”The Hobbs apologists need to face the fact that Belichick sent this guy away for two 5th round picks. That says enough about what our coaches thought of his value. The guy was awful….”

DaBruinz response, “coming from someone who doesn't understand the game, I am not surprised that you blame Hobbs for everything. He wasn't awful and its complete folly on your part to say so. It shows you don't know anything about this game called football or what the job of a CB is supposed to be and how it relates to the other members of the defense.”



You completely ignored condon84’s bigger point about Belichick having the final say regarding Hobbs’ worth. Before this trade, I struggled with Hobbs. I also liked his toughness and his willingness to take on any assignment. I was also hesitant to blame him for lapses as it was hard to distinguish between his deficiencies and the overall deficiencies of the defense. But let’s not kid ourselves. Springs, Bodden, Wheatley, Wilhite and Butler do not, at this point, represent a higher echelon backfield and 2.5mm is not a lot of money for a “solid #2 CB who was also one of the best in the league at KRs.” So, regardless of your penchant for belittling all who dare have their own opinions, it is obvious that Belichick does not share your appraisal. And you can bash all you want but the facts speak for themselves. Bottom line is this, even taking all things into account, Hobbs would still be here (if only for a year) if he was a “solid #2 CB.” 2.5 mm is a pittance for a “solid #2 CB.” I would also point out that the signings of Bodden and Springs answered the question of whether or not Belichick thought Hobbs was a “solid #2 CB.”



I take no credit for being on the same side as Belichick. I liked Hobbs. I hate the way you belittled others who had a different opinion than you.



Just because you say it, doesn’t make it so. Do you understand this point? While I agree that everything is factored when one makes a decision, the bottom line is this - if Belichick thought that Hobbs was a “solid #2 CB,” he would (for 2.5 mm??? even if only for 1 year???) still be on this team and some personnel moves would probably not have been necessary.

You're really a piece of work. DB can be ascerbic, particularly when engaged with kneejerk fanboys making sweeping assessments that belie the facts. But you're just someone who's been lying in the weeds waiting for what you perceived as your shot at telling him off. Ian should send you to detention for deliberately baiting. Not to mention namecalling.

Hobbs was a starter here for 4 years. That alone underscores the fact that he was not the worthless piece of crap his most ardent detractors persist in painting him. BB wouldn't start someone that devoid of talent and production for 4 years. He got rid of Starks after half a season...by inserting a rookie named Hobbs into the lineup and stabilizing what had been a horrendous secondary absent Harrison. Then he got rid of $3.5M Starks and 1st rounder Eugene Wilson. He did tag Asante, but he wasn't willing to pay him top 5 long term. Knowing what we know now, maybe he intended to tag and trade only Asante wouldn't cooperate as Cassel did. So he played out that hand post draft. The following year he attempted to replace him via the draft and FA but struck out as his veteran FA du jour again turned out to be crap and his top draftee at the position landed on IR. Through it all, the last man standing in that backfireld was Hobbs.

Bill said yesterday that he had no plans to trade Hobbs entering draft day. In fact he had no plans to do much of anything afer drafting in the third because he had no more picks until the end of the 5th. Then his phone rang and someone locked in a contract dispute with his RCB who saw BB sitting on 5-6 roster corners made him an offer that when taken in context of all the factors (numbers, contract status, impending FA, landing Butler at 41 which was apparently not a given) made sense from a value standpoint for a team fairly tight against the cap and fielding a lot of players who are scheduled to be FA next year if a new CBA is completed. He got as much if not more for Hobbs in present day draft value (two 5ths he then flipped into a mid 4th and a 6th) as he'd have gotten in 2011 draft compensation for him as a 2010 UFA (best case scenario end of the 3rd and more likely end of the 4th). And that allowed him to draft a player he otherwise wouldn't have had any means of drafting as developmental depth for an OL unit that also has three starters who will potentially be UFA in 2010.

Now you, just like those with whom you previously didn't agree but apparently live to defend against criticism, decide that what transpired constitutes vindication for their long held belief that Hobbs has always been worthless because BB traded him for nothing... The problem you all share is you jump to kneejerk conclusions and then bristle when that is pointed out to you. Christ, the scathing examples you post of DB being our resident blowhard don't even include the word idiot or remotely represent his best work...LOL

Often times here it's the namecallers like yourself who take offense at being perceived as idiots because the kneejerk nature of their post is being pointed out. :cry2:

The fact remains that Hobbs has been the most consistent starting corner on this roster for the last 4 years. Hopefully Belichick has upgraded the position and the entire secondary sufficiently to warrant his trade. But that remains to be seen. Just like whether we have an improved pass rush in the absence of any established or touted OLB additions to the 2009 roster or whether we yet plan to do so.

 

[DaBruinz]

Jesus, you are unbelievable. Do you mean cherry picking like this:

Originally posted by condon84…”The Hobbs apologists need to face the fact that Belichick sent this guy away for two 5th round picks. That says enough about what our coaches thought of his value. The guy was awful…."

DaBruinz response, “coming from someone who doesn't understand the game, I am not surprised that you blame Hobbs for everything. He wasn't awful and its complete folly on your part to say so. It shows you don't know anything about this game called football or what the job of a CB is supposed to be and how it relates to the other members of the defense.”

Cherry picking is taking select sentences and removing the rest of the context that they were in with the posts. Including what they were in reply to.

You completely ignored condon84’s bigger point about Belichick having the final say regarding Hobbs’ worth. Before this trade, I struggled with Hobbs. I also liked his toughness and his willingness to take on any assignment. I was also hesitant to blame him for lapses as it was hard to distinguish between his deficiencies and the overall deficiencies of the defense. But let’s not kid ourselves. Springs, Bodden, Wheatley, Wilhite and Butler do not, at this point, represent a higher echelon backfield and 2.5mm is not a lot of money for a “solid #2 CB who was also one of the best in the league at KRs.” So, regardless of your penchant for belittling all who dare have their own opinions, it is obvious that Belichick does not share your appraisal. And you can bash all you want but the facts speak for themselves. Bottom line is this, even taking all things into account, Hobbs would still be here (if only for a year) if he was a “solid #2 CB.” 2.5 mm is a pittance for a “solid #2 CB.” I would also point out that the signings of Bodden and Springs answered the question of whether or not Belichick thought Hobbs was a “solid #2 CB.”

Condon's "point" was that Hobbs was the reason the Pats lost the SB against the Giants. Forget the other facts that were pointed out on NUMEROUS occasions.

Its not "obvious" as you put it because there are a helluva lot more issues than what posters like yourself care to acknowledge. And that is the friggin issue with you. You purposely ignore facts. And, You are the one who attacked me in this thread when I wasn't even a part of hit. So shove your holier than though garbage up your arse.

I take no credit for being on the same side as Belichick. I liked Hobbs. I hate the way you belittle others who have a different opinion than you.

I don't belittle people for having a differing opinion. That is the problem with people like yourself. You don't bother to listen to facts and you b!tch and moan when people consider you foolish, dumb or moronic because of it. The problem is people like YOURSELF who think that you are the only ones entitled to your opinion. Guess what. It works both ways. And I have the right to voice my opinion on what you say.

Just because you say it, doesn’t make it so. Do you understand this point? While I agree that everything is factored when one makes a decision, the bottom line is this - if Belichick thought that Hobbs was a “solid #2 CB,” he would (for 2.5 mm??? even if only for 1 year???) still be on this team and some personnel moves would probably not have been necessary.

Let me get this straight. You think its much more likely that Belichick thinks that Hobbs, all of a sudden, sucks after being a 4 year starter and one of the best kick returners in the league and would rather keep him on the team and potentially lose out on ANY compensation for Hobbs than to trade him and help to improve this team over the long run?

Its FAR more likely that BB is looking both short term and long term at the situation and that getting 2 picks for Hobbs now and getting players into the system is much better than having a player on the team who you will most likely lose and could end up with no compensation for depending on how the new CBA goes.

How about you go and read Patriots Reign and Management Secrets of the New England Patriots V1 and V2.

 

[Kontradiction]

Hobbs does not suck. He was a MORE than capable #2 corner. However, with the arrivals of Shawn Springs and Leigh Bodden, Hobbs salary (not him as a person) became expendable. He was sent to the Eagles to clear room. There's a vast difference between BB thinking he was a ****ty cornerback and BB thinking that he had capable replacements so he could dump Hobbs' salary to (possibly) be a little more active should something or someone come up that catches his eye before the season.

 

[condon84]

Coming from someone who doesn't understand the game, I am not surprised that you blame Hobbs for everything. He wasn't awful and its complete folly on your part to say so. It shows you don't know anything about this game called football or what the job of a CB is supposed to be and how it relates to the other members of the defense.

LOL. Everytime you get into an argument with people, you always come back to "you don't understand the game." Like your some kind of expert on these boards and people take you seriously. LMAO. Whenever I read your arguments with other posters, and it's quite common because you act like a douche, there's so many illogical points that you make.

And the fact that you accuse people of cherry picking their arguments? ROFL. That's AWESOME!

 

[mb6592]

Condon's "point" was that Hobbs was the reason the Pats lost the SB against the Giants.

No it wasn't. You might have your users mixed up. I read through his posts & they mention nothing about the SB.

I don't belittle people for having a differing opinion. That is the problem with people like yourself. You don't bother to listen to facts and you b!tch and moan when people consider you foolish, dumb or moronic because of it.

Care to take a poll? Are you suggesting that from any set of facts only one conclusion can be gleemed? No one is saying there weren't a lot of factors that went into this trade, but where we disagree is I (and others) feel Hobbs' play was the MAJOR factor in his departure, while you (and others) feel other issues were more MAJOR. Both opinions are legitimate. Only Belichick knows the absolute truth. The difference is no one has acted hostile toward your opinion. You, on the other hand, more often than not, label those with differing opinions as "foolish, dumb or moronic." You act as if by insulting other posters, it lends more weight to your opinions. You don't need to belittle other posters. Just state your case, and leave it at that.

Let me get this straight. You think its much more likely that Belichick thinks that Hobbs, all of a sudden, sucks after being a 4 year starter and one of the best kick returners in the league and would rather keep him on the team and potentially lose out on ANY compensation for Hobbs than to trade him and help to improve this team over the long run?

I told you what I thought, taking ALL things into account, Hobbs would still be here (if only for a year) if he was a “solid #2 CB.” You don't get rid of solid #2 cornerbacks making 2.5 million. I would also point out that the signings of Bodden and Springs (after drafting Wheatley & Wilhite) answered the question of whether or not Belichick thought Hobbs was a “solid #2 CB.”

 

[upstater1]

I tell ya... Hobbs is a better prospect than Butler. Butler can't tackle his way out of wet paper bag. Thanks Sanders for that.

Is this some kind of sarcasm?

Butler is an excellent tackler.

 

[upstater1]

About Hobbs' contract. I have no doubt that Hobbs will be making more than 2.25 million a year soon. The ridiculous contracts handed out to 3rd and 4th corners makes this evident.

But, Hobbs is rather lucky that the Patriots drafted him where they did, and that 4 years into his career as a non 1st rounder, he's making decent coin at 2.25 million. He can't complain about that. It's not being underpaid at all.

I know Watson has been a disappointment and hasn't accomplished much, but he's a 1st rounder on a six year contract. When all is said and done, Hobbs will probably make more money than him, and I'm not even sure that Hobbs is a better player.

 

[VJCPatriot]

About Hobbs' contract. I have no doubt that Hobbs will be making more than 2.25 million a year soon. The ridiculous contracts handed out to 3rd and 4th corners makes this evident.

But, Hobbs is rather lucky that the Patriots drafted him where they did, and that 4 years into his career as a non 1st rounder, he's making decent coin at 2.25 million. He can't complain about that. It's not being underpaid at all.

I know Watson has been a disappointment and hasn't accomplished much, but he's a 1st rounder on a six year contract. When all is said and done, Hobbs will probably make more money than him, and I'm not even sure that Hobbs is a better player.

Well you also have to take into account that the payscale for corners is a lot higher than tight ends. Even mediocre corners were getting contracts in the 4-5 per million range last year, and the elite ones get 8-10 million.

 

[condon84]

I don't belittle people for having a differing opinion. That is the problem with people like yourself. You don't bother to listen to facts and you b!tch and moan when people consider you foolish, dumb or moronic because of it. The problem is people like YOURSELF who think that you are the only ones entitled to your opinion. Guess what. It works both ways. And I have the right to voice my opinion on what you say.

:lol2:

Your lack of understanding in communicaiton is outstanding!

This post is awesome!!! Do you even see the irony of this post!!!!!!

 

[BradyFixesEverything]

Although I'll miss his kick returns, I couldn't be happier he's gone!!!!

 

[DaBruinz]

:lol2:

Your lack of understanding in communicaiton is outstanding!

This post is awesome!!! Do you even see the irony of this post!!!!!!

I don't lack understanding in communcation. You only chose to think that because you are the one who can't be bothered to listen to others.

You and MB proved that.