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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.There's just so much depth at that position that it doesn't excite me - which is the same reason that - wait for it - Barwin at #23 is just so-so to me.
For them to take an OLB converting from DE before #34 they had better think he's the next Ware or Merriman because there will be good choices at #34 and later.
Bingo. I wouldn't take him at 23, not that he'll last that long, much less trade up for him. 4-3 end all the way as far as I'm concerned.
Nope with a 50% wash out rate in the top picks you get better odds of finding a player with 2 picks than 1.
Are we really asking whether we would trade up to get a starting OLB even if that would mean that we wouldn't draft our 2-year binky project?
If Belichick thinks that there is a great difference between Orakpo (or Brown) and the rest then a 47 is not too much to trade. One great advantage of having lots of picks is that there will be plenty of picks to meet our needs, even if trade a couple to move up.
No, what we're really asking is the following: Having dodged a bullet on an overmuscled bulky 4-3 DE with gaudy stats last year who showed none of the agility and skills necessary to convert to 3-4 OLB and who was the outstanding bomb of his rookie year, do we want to trade up in the first round this year to try and make up for it with another such guy?
There was nothing wrong with Gholston as a talent last year. He had some motor issues and wasn't the sharpest tack in the toolbox, but he had top 10 talent. So does Orapko. But neither one fits well as a 3-4 OLB.
If Andre Smith falls to 23, should the Pats draft him and convert him to 3-4 OLB? I think he would be awesome at the point of attack. Should we trade up for him if he falls to the mid teens?
No, what we're really asking is the following: Having dodged a bullet on an overmuscled bulky 4-3 DE with gaudy stats last year who showed none of the agility and skills necessary to convert to 3-4 OLB and who was the outstanding bomb of his rookie year, do we want to trade up in the first round this year to try and make up for it with another such guy?
There was nothing wrong with Gholston as a talent last year. He had some motor issues and wasn't the sharpest tack in the toolbox, but he had top 10 talent. So does Orapko. But neither one fits well as a 3-4 OLB.
If Andre Smith falls to 23, should the Pats draft him and convert him to 3-4 OLB? I think he would be awesome at the point of attack. Should we trade up for him if he falls to the mid teens?
If he's available in the 14 to 17 range would you move up for the guy?
I now understand. Because posters on this board might have drafted Gholston, THEREFORE Belichick should not consider Orapko.
I would suggest that Belichick does fine in evaluating what linebackers and defensive ends fit in our system. It is very tricky to evaluate which players will fit it well to our 3-4 two gap.
And BTW, I think it way too early too consider Gholston a bust. Obviously, Belichick judged well and met our need at ILB with Mayo.
What you really seem to be saying is that we should avoid players that posters consider to be 43 OLB's because they might not be worth the value of the draft pick.
No. Better to get two good ones than one. I don't think Orakpo is better more value than several other players on board. Alex Mack-Ziggy Hood-Rey Maualuga etc.
Only players I'm moving up for are E Brown and B Raji. And they'd have to fall to 12-17 range.
If he's available in the 14 to 17 range would you move up for the guy?
I can say the same about Barwin