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    Hey all ... the Wonderlic scores from this year's draft class are starting to come out. We have a few of them here.
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    Interesting. I would kill for an online wonderlic here that Patsfans folks could take publicly. I think Miguel would do OK :)
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    I don't think Delmas or Harbin is going to be a Patriot.
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    or Rey Maualuga 15
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    I don't know how you can graduate college and not break 20 on the Wonderlic.

    I took a mock Wonderlic last year around the combine and got in the mid-40's.
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    Most D1 kids are athletes forced to go to school. See FSU's current troubles for an indication of that.

    True D1 football student athletes are becoming rarer. Too bad more are not like Rolle.
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    I would totally mock draft you.
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    And here is another Florida receiver I don't want:
    Percy Harvin of Florida scored 12
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    I'm a college professor, and when I look at the test the questions are not that difficult. However, I'm sure that the pressure of the situation and the stakes of the test as well as the short time limit can combine to lower many scores. It seems that thinking quickly and clear decision making are part of the measurables.
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    i think you have to be a bright guy to be a linebacker in BB's system. That's why I say no to Ray Mauluga and yes to Clay Matthews. Matthews appears to be much more physical too.
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    Don't need to see a UF receiver's wonderlic score to know that I don't want him.
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    Most big time football programs have "special" classes for the dumbasses parading as "student" athletes. They are athletes paid by the school, nothing less. Shame on the schools. Mens basketball programs are far worse than football for almost graduating male students. Compared to the womens graduation rates for all sports the men (boys) should be embarrassed but it's hard to embarrass someone when their too dumb to realize they are being made fools of.
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    Ben Watson got a 41 or something and still can't learn how to catch the ball. The wonderlic is overrated
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    Honestly, who cares? The guys going to the schools as athletes probably wouldn't be getting a degree any other way, and they're acting as entertainers for the American public without getting paid for it.
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    Nice post.....................Tell me something, if your an extraordinarily gifted athlete but not college material, but want to play professional football, what are you supposed to do?
    Then, you compare the men's programs to the girls, who do not go on to professional sports and some, are not even athletes, but are playing a "sport" to receive a free education (Title IV).
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    in all honesty, i think only the oline in BB's schemes need to have high wonderlic scores.
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    I agree 100%. Anxiety, and nerves will def. affect your thought patterns.

    IQ smarts and test scores do not always match up perfectly.
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    Not to Hijack the thread (or semi Hijack it) But Reiss is back and posting on Boston.com, so we'll probably getting more frequent and better info (on this topic and just in general) again, not that Gasper did all that bad. I'd post a new thread but I haven't posted enough yet to start one. Now...back on topic... :D
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    You fail to mention that college football coaches have the luxury of larger rosters and the ability to redshirt even the top recruits allowing them to go to class a full year without the pressures of playing. Yes they still practice and go to meetings but the carry a higher course load for that year than their non-redshirted teammates. Basketball rarely redshirts players since there are only 13 available scholarships and redshirts count against that limit. Coaches are forced to play their players right away and with the NBA's joke age limit, and the fact that many college basketball players spend a year doing post-grad work at a prep school, and you see why college basketball graduates a lower percentage of its players.
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    Football is a combination of brawn and brain--both are needed for best results. Having players on the field who are mentally quick and not shaken by pressure has many kinds of benefits. BB knows that and drafts and trades accordingly. The first to do that, so far as I know, was Paul Brown, who famously gave candidate players IQ tests.
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    OK...but are you arguing that BB places an emphasis on the Wonderlic in particular? Because he has spent top picks on players with astonishingly low Wonderlic scores on more than one occasion, and with fine results. It all depends on the position.
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    What do you expect? The NFL uses them as a free minor league, and the schools use the players as free talent in their revenue program.

    Not too much economic distortion there, is there?
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    Yes.. those 4 drops he had last year just were so devestating. Moss dropped as many as Watson did.

    So did Welker and Gaffney..

    The same people griping about Watson were the ones griping about Graham. There clearly is no pleasing you. You'd just find something else to complain about.
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    Go to a prep school or junior college so you can be college material. Or check out the CFL. Not sure what the requirements are there.
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    Talk to anybody from Europe and they're completely baffled by America's "big-time college athletics." And frankly, when you stop to think about it it's pretty nonsensical. Why did it end up the province of our universities to run our minor-league football and basketball operations? And why does a guy with a great vertical jump and no interest in academia get a free pass to the same school that a brilliant scholar has to pay a fortune to attend? I guess it's not really surprising that a lot of distorted, illogical framework gets built on that distorted, illogical foundation.

    Anyway, back to the old Wonderlic. I'm as fascinated in them as anybody, but draftnik self-interest aside, it's pretty outrageous that these scores are being leaked. When those players agreed to take the test, it was with the understanding that their scores would remain strictly confidential.
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    There are warning signs about Maualuga all over the place. Slow 40 time (for NFL standards) and a bad Wonderlic score. Doesn't really look like he's a good fit for a Bill Belichick defense.
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    No. A person who under no circumstances belongs in college (not that there is anything wrong with that) but wants an NFL career, their best option is college ball at a University in the U.S. Are you going to tell that kid that he should go play in the CFL because he has a low SAT score? You could have been great kid.
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    No, Patchick, I don't think BB relies solely on the Wonderlic, although I'm sure it's among the factors he looks at. I think he listens to the college coaches and that the interview is important too.

    I am trying to think back to remember what low Wonderlic players he's taken on. Could you remind us?
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    Lost in all this discussion is how this information became public. I thought these were going to be confidential, with big-time discipline for anybody leaking them to the public after the Vince Young embarrassment. With the way Pompei wrote this article it made me think he had a printout of every player's score from the entire Combine.
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    Two who come immediately to mind: Graham & Wilfork, both #21 overall picks, both scored a whopping 10. And I think Asante Samuel scored the same.

    I think I said this in another thread, but there are only a handful of positions where a low Wonderlic would really give me pause, headed by QB, C & ILB. I'd at least want to see some other sparkling evidence of excellent info processing, communication and leadership skills in those cases.
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