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  1. ctpatsfan77

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    I nominate Connor Barwin. :)

    Not that I wouldn't take Aaron Curry, but I want Barwin, too.
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    Aaron Curry is a freak of nature and Belichick will make him the next Lawrence Taylor if we get him
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    Hopefully we can get both.
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    I want Barwin too! Then again he was my classmate at UC so I am a bit biased! ;)
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    Is he a humble guy?
    Did he actually go to class?
    And BBs fav question... is football IMPORTANT in his life?
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    As a 3-4 ILB, I am not sold on Curry because we have Mayo in that spot.

    As a 3-4 OLB I don't even have Curry on the board.

    For the next Vrabel as a pass rusher, Mathews and/or Barwin can fit the bill.

    As a 3-4 OLB that can run support or cover, Mathews and Barwin scare me.

    Although having Mathews, Thomas, May and Barwin at LB in 2009 does not sound all that bad if BB could work his magic on the youngsters as far an run support and coverage is concerned.

    The beauty is that Mathews and Barwin can play ST as well.
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    The one class I had with him he was there almost every day. Never really got to talk to him too much but seemed very humble and very hardworking. I like his versatility on the field too.
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    Give me Larry English if we don't pull anything via trade or FA.
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    Wow Ochmed, you don't like the idea of Curry at SILB? Very curious to hear more of your thoughts.
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    Maybe without considering any other moves,,

    BB convinced himself between Barwin, Mathews, Cushing, etc, he can get what he wants at 23???, BB considers all to be very similar grade

    And it was a postional upgrade he was aiming for, and the numbers all fell into place.

    All pure speculation,,
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    I don't see the three as being equivalent. Cushing and Matthews are similar, though I'd rate them as better 4-3 prospects then 3-4. Barwin is head and shoulders above the other two. Other 3-4 prospects I'd consider pretty good fallback options if Barwin gets tabbed by someone else: Everette Brown, Clint Sintim, Cody Brown in the first three rounds, and of course Aaron Curry if BB does accept a Top 5 draft pick for Cassel.
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    Based on his play in the ACC, I see him as a pure 4-3 OLB. Really hard to project him inside in our defense taking on OG, C and FB's after watching him run around blockers for 2 years in college.
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    All things being equal with whatever happens with Cassel, I could see BB sitting there at #23 with 4 or 5 legitimate 3-4 OLB options and deciding to trade down 4 to 6 spots and still getting a player like Sintim or Cushings.
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    I don't see him playing the Mike either, and Mayo's too good in the Jack to move him. I actually project Curry as a 3-4 Sam. I think he would have to start out as the Will though, as he's highly unlikely to be better than Adalius for a while.
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    Adalius would be the Mike though, if we did draft Curry. Then Woods/Crable/Redd/Robertson vying for Will.

    That would be freakin awesome. Plus the 4-3 sets could have Thomas at DE and Curry-Mayo-Guyton as LB's that could really cover the field.
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    I like Curry a whole lot. I project him to be a high impact player with starting potential right away. Kid could be super special imo.

    After him I like Connor Barwin, his workouts were pretty incredible with wr like 3 cone and vertical jumps. How can we not gamble on this guy if he passes all of Belichicks tests?

    Sintim I like, English not so much.

    I don't know why I hold a grudge against USC LB's but I do. I don't hate their school or their program. It's one of the best in the country. If anything Keith Rivers should of proved me wrong last season being right behind Mayo in the ROY voting. I was vehemently against going after Rivers last draft. I guess it's the fact that they have so much talent that you just have a hard time determining who is benefiting from who? Maybe they are all good for all I know. But for those reasons I don't like Melagua,Cushing or Mathews in the first round.
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    Hmm do the Pats wait to take Barwin with pick 34 now? Or do they preemptively take him with pick 23 and take the best available DB at pick 34?
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    It seems many people on the board have the same idea. They seem to forget that our defense got a lot better in 2007 after we moved Adalius to OLB and put Seau at every down ILB. He was our best pass rusher in the second half of the season. I'd rather leave him there. Especially with Vrabel gone. It's a moot point now, given that the trade was for the 2nd rounder, but our best lineup would have been Thomas, Bruschi, Mayo, Woods...with Guyton backing up the ILBs and Curry backing up the OLBs.
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    I was just thinking the same thing. One thing is for sure in my mind, as deep as this draft is there isn't one guy not named Curry that I would trade up for. I hope we hold on to all our picks.

    As po'd as many people are about the compensation for Cassel {I'm a little dissapointed we didn't get a 2 next year as well} we now have the ability to get a Linebacker, a safety and a Cb. All three picks could equate to 1st rounders if BB does a masterful job.
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    Or did the defense improve because Seymour got healthier and Thomas was smart enough to play off him outside shoulder?
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    Barwin will be there at #58.

    At #34 think UNGER!!!!!!!!
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    If BB were high on Delmas and Barwin, whom would you take at 23 and whom would you chance being available at 34?
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    I have doubts that Barwin will last to 34, no less 58.
    What is the love affair with Unger?
    There are a lot of good G/C prospects that are slated to be available in round 2.
    Unger's hardly the only option.

    I'd draft OLB and Safety ahead of G/C. And with 3 2nd round picks, the Pats can still take a good G/C in the 2nd round if they feel the need to do so.
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    The thing with Unger is versatility. BB loves versatility. He can play all five positions on the OL. He was all PAC 10 TACKLE as a sophomore before moving inside. He is really good at pulling and leading.

    Unger, Delmas and Barwin would make a good 2nd round. Although I still think BB tries to turn one of the second rounders into a 2010 first.
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    Could you explain why?
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    I think we trade one of the 2's and swap our 1 to move up....I think Bill wants one of those DE who project to be OLB[that kid from Texas]
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    I think... Max Unger with the first. Need to protect Brady and that knee.

    Top 2nd I would take Barwin

    Followed by a TE (*just kidding*) CB Smith from Utah
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