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  1. mgcolby

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    no idea. It's ridiculous. But they won't win.
     
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    they're also discussing a trade for John Abraham....madness
     
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    Wow, Archuleta at 5 mil per year while Rodney is making about 3, there's no justice there (I hope Rodney doesn't agree).
     
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    Guys why do u ask this question every offseason, they always seem to go 60 million over the cap??? Personally I think that since they are such a big market team, they eat a lot of bad contracts just to rid themselves of the contract all together. But anyways, has it ever worked for them???!!!
     
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    I'm sure there will be lots of cuts from the Redskins camp soon in order for them to get under the cap. If there are any good ones there (like Patten as has been pointed out in earlier threads) that's when BB/Pioli will likely make their move.
     
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    The Redskins are under the cap TODAY, and tomorrow and the next day.

    They may need to cut some in camp to pay for the newly sign rookies, but for now they are under the cap every day.

     
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    Yup, that's why I said soon. I didn't say TODAY, or tomorrow or the next day.
     
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    hwc In the Starting Line-Up

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    Washington does it by using a cap management model that assumes signficant "dead money" for departed players as an on-going policy.

    They sign a player with a big prorated bonus and backloaded salaries. Two or three years into the deal, they release the player because the cap hits from escalating salaries are too high. They take a "dead" money hit and the old over-priced player is replaced by this year's flashy over-priced player.

    That approach is sustainable over the long-haul as long as you are willing to budget a high level of dead money each and every year. As soon as one year's dead money comes of the book, you replace it with this year's cuts.

    There are three disadvantages to this system:

    a) The percentage of dead money prevents having adequate depth on a 53 man roster. You are stuck with some real dogs in the bottom half of the roster.

    b) This system ensures constant churning of the roster that prevents any kind of continuity of program. Every guy they release for cap purposes is just replaced with essentially the same guy, who in turn, will only be there for two years. Where are team leaders?

    c) This system tends to attract players who are more concerned with the rides in Snyder's jet and the bling than with being a part of a team effort.

    These three disadvantages go a long way towards explaining why the Redskins haven't won diddly.
     
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    Regardless if they eat them or not they still count against the cap as dead money. The Titans, Ravens and I'm sure others have gone down the crapper quick because guys got old and they had to dump guys salary endure a bad cap year and then start fresh the following. Hell we did it when BB first got here but somehow the redskins have managed to avoid the inevitable year after year. I just don't get it.
     
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    Good points. I still think they face a year of cap hell, or they're cheating.
     
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    Great explanation! Thank you! But you would think eventually the dead money would get to big and you would have to do a massive house cleaning one of these years.
     
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    They solve that problem by trading most of their picks.
     
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    The Redskins avoid that by taking a significant dead money hit every year. They don't put off the inevitable and then get hit with a huge one-time dead money hit when they blow up the team. They blow up the team a little bit every year, on an on-going basis.

    The Skins are only looking at the cap numbers for a player's first two years and the resulting dead money number. They already know that every player they sign this year will be cut within three years.

    They are locked into this cycle, because they don't have the cap room to keep any of these free agents past three years when the salaries start escalating. They have to cut them, whether they want to or not and move on to the next guy. My guess is that their cap spreadsheet already shows the year that Randle El and Archuleta will be released for cap purposes. Basically, they are just renting all these players with no thought of building long-term continuity.

    Oh...and the CBA extension gave them a get out of jail free card. The Redskins approach only works as long as the cap number is rapidly escalating. It's kind of like the Donald Trump approach to highly leveraged real estate development. More and more debt. As long as the economy grows at a rate fast enough to cover the debt load, it works.
     
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    The skins should hire Bobby Bowden and have him run the team like a 4 year college program. :D
     
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    Once again very well said and I think I actually understand it, er.. well most of it I am not an economist so the Donald Trump thing went over my head. :D
     

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