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If these LB were projected future starters, everyone would agree. But then, if that were so, they would have been Day One draft picks.

We haven't seen what in a VERY long time? Young binkie UDFA's? Where do you think Woods and Alexander came from? And all the rest that have made the various squads? As I recall Mays was going to be a starter by now. I agree that we haven't seen two top young LB prospects on the patriots for a very long time, and this year we have them: Mayo and Crable. It is NOT Redd and Guyton who are any different that any other year. No one is going to keep them from our Practice Squad.

what we havnt seen in a VERY long time is exactly what u said..." agree that we haven't seen two top young LB prospects on the patriots for a very long time"

so we have crable and mayo...we play a 3-4, we need 4 LB STARTERS...why should we keep only 2, when we have a chance to get 3, or even 4?

who knows how long until we see a rookie with this much promise in camp and preseason? 3, 4, 5 years?

i say make the best of it now, even if it requires to slightly weaken special teams
 
You don't think that Belichick can bring a rookie into camp that's as good a prospect as Guyton and Redd for 3, 4 or 5 years. Are you a relative?

what we havnt seen in a VERY long time is exactly what u said..." agree that we haven't seen two top young LB prospects on the patriots for a very long time"

so we have crable and mayo...we play a 3-4, we need 4 LB STARTERS...why should we keep only 2, when we have a chance to get 3, or even 4?

who knows how long until we see a rookie with this much promise in camp and preseason? 3, 4, 5 years?

i say make the best of it now, even if it requires to slightly weaken special teams
 
You don't think that Belichick can bring a rookie into camp that's as good a prospect as Guyton and Redd for 3, 4 or 5 years. Are you a relative?

Why worry about that when you have two good young prospects?? We got lucky and picked up two kids who should have been drafted, they're cheap and they could be solid players for us down the road, so why let them get away simply because they went undrafted?? It's really irrelevant if BB and Pioli can bring in a "good prospect" 3, 4, 5 yrs from now, we have some good ones right now.
 
...two good young prospects??
mg translation: UDFA binkies.

Though I need to throw a "Redd" flag on people singing his praises. Redd showed well in very limited play Thursday - unlike Guyton who played about 3 quarters, starting in the first quarter against the Ravens starters.
 
mg translation: UDFA binkies.

Though I need to throw a "Redd" flag on people singing his praises. Redd showed well in very limited play Thursday - unlike Guyton who played about 3 quarters, starting in the first quarter against the Ravens starters.

Very true but he still won't clear wavers and is a size/size prospect with tons of speed who could help on special teams or maybe learn the game as an inactive every week. He can learn to be a pro that way.
 
Very true but he still won't clear wavers and is a size/size prospect with tons of speed who could help on special teams or maybe learn the game as an inactive every week. He can learn to be a pro that way.
At this point my roster has the Pats risking him clearing waivers because he's not yet ready to contribute. Such is life.
 
Though I need to throw a "Redd" flag on people singing his praises. Redd showed well in very limited play Thursday - unlike Guyton who played about 3 quarters, starting in the first quarter against the Ravens starters.

Well he passes the eye-ball test. And was out of practice for about a week before the game. Right now I have in contention based on rumour and inneundo. But certainly give Izzo, Hobson, or Alexander can out outplay him and push him out. But hey, I like guys with measurables for game day inactives.

You don't think that Belichick can bring a rookie into camp that's as good a prospect as Guyton and Redd for 3, 4 or 5 years. Are you a relative?

No. I think that Rookie Free Agents are extremely hit or miss.
 
Very true but he still won't clear wavers and is a size/size prospect with tons of speed who could help on special teams or maybe learn the game as an inactive every week. He can learn to be a pro that way.

Of course he would clear waivers. This comes up almost every year, and every year almost no rookie player cut at final cutdown gets cut without making through to the ps. (some jump to other ps though) I think the last time I looked it was like 2 guys a year in the entire NFL that are rookies who are cut and picked up off waivers.
Teams just dont do that because they have 53 players that made it through camp, and it isnt worth cutting one to bring in a rookie someone else cut who hasnt even seen their playbook 5 days before the season opener.
 
Of course he would clear waivers. This comes up almost every year, and every year almost no rookie player cut at final cutdown gets cut without making through to the ps. (some jump to other ps though) I think the last time I looked it was like 2 guys a year in the entire NFL that are rookies who are cut and picked up off waivers.
Teams just dont do that because they have 53 players that made it through camp, and it isnt worth cutting one to bring in a rookie someone else cut who hasnt even seen their playbook 5 days before the season opener.


I'm confused. Last year didn't we alone have a TE prospect and an OLB prospect get picked up w/o clearing waivers on their way to the PS???

Opposing GMs pay special attention to the Pats because we're known to have good talent scouts and a team that's hard to crack even for talented rookies.
 
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Interesting read from Lombardi's blog, Bill Parcells on how he filled out his roster:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/08/the-national-football-post-morning-diner-news-2/


“I already pretty much had my team cut before the final preseason game. Maybe one or two things could change on the roster after the last preseason game — based on somebody else’s cuts, an injury to one of my current players or some other unforeseen circumstance. Basically I would operate all during camp with trying to get the best 20 offensive players and the best 20 defensive players, which gave me 40 spots. I would think about that early in camp. Every time I determined that a player was one of those 40, I would put that name on the list; I would try to fill that 20 offense and 20 defense out as we went through the first two or three weeks of training camp. I also had to be concerned with my specialists. Who was going to be the punter, kicker and, if in fact I didn’t have someone who played a regular position that could be a long snapper, who was going to be the snapper? I was always looking for a guy who played a regular position who could be my first-team snapper. When I was coaching in New England, we had Mike Bartrum, who was also our third tight end. With the Giants, I had Steve DeOssie, who was also one of our linebackers. That gave me an extra roster spot. So I had my 20 and 20 plus 3, which was the punter, kicker and long snapper. With my roster at 43, I still had 10 spots to fill, but you could only take three more players to the game each week because you could dress 45 and a third quarterback. That nucleus of players was going to do most of the playing. The remaining 10 guys were comprised of players who I felt could make a significant contribution in the special-teams area or were young developing players that weren’t quite ready as training camp ended, but I felt could make a contribution by the time the season was in full swing. If we had a position on the team that was shaky because of inexperience or by virtue of the health of the players playing it, maybe I would keep someone at that position as insurance”.
 
I'm confused. Last year didn't we alone have a TE prospect and an OLB prospect get picked up w/o clearing waivers on their way to the PS???

Opposing GMs pay special attention to the Pats because we're known to have good talent scouts and a team that's hard to crack even for talented rookies.

Rogers was picked up by someone, but I dont remember if he went directly to a roster or a practice squad. I think the TE you are talking about is Mills who was not a rookie, which is a diferent thing altogether. Its just a fact that rookies cut in camp almost never get picked up without going through waivers, and the logic in it that I see is that any team that completes its 53 man roster through camp would have to cut a guy who knows their system and had a good enough camp to make the team, in order to bring in a rookie who couldnt make someone elses team, and knows nothing about their system, or has never done anything in the NFL. Many of the rookies cut in camp are cut because they haven't adapted to the NFL, so it a huge longshot to cut a guy you feel is NFL-ready, just to bring a guy in on a hope.
You can try to sign him to your practice squad or you can poach him off someone elses if you end up with an open roster spot due to injury.
The idea that every team is scouring the waiver wire hoping to solve their problems by scooping up rookies who other teams cut just isnt backed by the evidence.
 
Rogers was picked up by someone, but I dont remember if he went directly to a roster or a practice squad. I think the TE you are talking about is Mills who was not a rookie, which is a diferent thing altogether. Its just a fact that rookies cut in camp almost never get picked up without going through waivers, and the logic in it that I see is that any team that completes its 53 man roster through camp would have to cut a guy who knows their system and had a good enough camp to make the team, in order to bring in a rookie who couldnt make someone elses team, and knows nothing about their system, or has never done anything in the NFL. Many of the rookies cut in camp are cut because they haven't adapted to the NFL, so it a huge longshot to cut a guy you feel is NFL-ready, just to bring a guy in on a hope.
You can try to sign him to your practice squad or you can poach him off someone elses if you end up with an open roster spot due to injury.
The idea that every team is scouring the waiver wire hoping to solve their problems by scooping up rookies who other teams cut just isnt backed by the evidence.
Rogers spent the season playing Special Teams for Dallas.

Mills was essentially a rookie after losing him to IR his rookie year.
 
Rogers was picked up by someone, but I dont remember if he went directly to a roster or a practice squad. I think the TE you are talking about is Mills who was not a rookie, which is a diferent thing altogether.
You can try to sign him to your practice squad or you can poach him off someone elses if you end up with an open roster spot due to injury.
The idea that every team is scouring the waiver wire hoping to solve their problems by scooping up rookies who other teams cut just isnt backed by the evidence.

Rodgers went to Cowboys, made 18 tackles, 16 solo.

Kyle Eckle was another rookie free agent who was cut to go to the PS and was claimed off of waivers.
 
Rogers was picked up by someone, but I dont remember if he went directly to a roster or a practice squad. I think the TE you are talking about is Mills who was not a rookie, which is a diferent thing altogether. Its just a fact that rookies cut in camp almost never get picked up without going through waivers, and the logic in it that I see is that any team that completes its 53 man roster through camp would have to cut a guy who knows their system and had a good enough camp to make the team, in order to bring in a rookie who couldnt make someone elses team, and knows nothing about their system, or has never done anything in the NFL. Many of the rookies cut in camp are cut because they haven't adapted to the NFL, so it a huge longshot to cut a guy you feel is NFL-ready, just to bring a guy in on a hope.
You can try to sign him to your practice squad or you can poach him off someone elses if you end up with an open roster spot due to injury.
The idea that every team is scouring the waiver wire hoping to solve their problems by scooping up rookies who other teams cut just isnt backed by the evidence.

I posted this earlier in the thread, http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story...0d5d805e2fdc&template=with-video&confirm=true, it's a good read. It really points to the huge role that undrafted players have in the league and that they shouldn't be dismissed. It's not about whether a player is drafted or where he is drafted but rather what that player does with his opportunity.

Check out these the offense and defense, could build a pretty good team with these guys.

Offense Defense

» QB: Tony Romo DE: Greg White
» DE: Ryan Grant DT: Cullen Jenkins
» RB: Willie Parker DT: Ed Johnson
» WR: Wes Welker DE: Paul Spicer
» WR: Ruvell Martin LB: Antonio Pierce
» TE: Antonio Gates LB: Gary Brackett
» C: Jeff Saturday * LB: James Harrison **
» G: Stephen Neal CB: Nick Harper
» G: Kris Dielman CB: Terry Cousin
» T: Ryan Lilja S: Atari Bigby
» T: Donald Penn S: Brian Russell
» K: Rob Bironas *

* = AP All-Pro selection
** = Second-team All-Pro
 
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Check out these the offense and defense, could build a pretty good team with these guys.

Offense Defense

» QB: Tony Romo DE: Greg White
» DE: Ryan Grant DT: Cullen Jenkins
» RB: Willie Parker DT: Ed Johnson
» WR: Wes Welker DE: Paul Spicer
» WR: Ruvell Martin LB: Antonio Pierce
» TE: Antonio Gates LB: Gary Brackett
» C: Jeff Saturday * LB: James Harrison **
» G: Stephen Neal CB: Nick Harper
» G: Kris Dielman CB: Terry Cousin
» T: Ryan Lilja S: Atari Bigby
» T: Donald Penn S: Brian Russell
» K: Rob Bironas *

* = AP All-Pro selection
** = Second-team All-Pro
Binkies all of them. ;)
 
I posted this earlier in the thread, http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story...0d5d805e2fdc&template=with-video&confirm=true, it's a good read. It really points to the huge role that undrafted players have in the league and that they shouldn't be dismissed. It's not about whether a player is drafted or where he is drafted but rather what that player does with his opportunity.

Check out these the offense and defense, could build a pretty good team with these guys.

Wow. That is impressive. Thanks for the link, interesting.
 
Tomase's former editor has a new gig in North Carolina...

http://www.delcotimes.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20018625&BRD=1675&PAG=461&dept_id=668032&rfi=6
Just two linebackers came off the board in the first round of the draft and both were top 10 picks.
The Patriots used the ninth selection on Keith Rivers (USC), an outside linebacker, and Jerod Mayo (Tennessee), who can play inside and outside, went next to the New Orleans Saints. Their stock soared all the way through draft day, the Saints trading up to grab Mayo.
:wha:
 
"Jerod Mayo (Tennessee), who can play inside and outside, went next to the New Orleans Saints. Their stock soared all the way through draft day, the Saints trading up to grab Mayo."

So a new cheating scandal starts about the Patriots playing Mayo without even having drafted him. BB is one clever evil bastid!
 
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