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    There is a player who can fill this role?

    I read about Maualuga, a Sintim conversion project, J.Phillips...

    But I would like to know your tought about this role!
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    A pure run down guy could be Antonio Appleby of Virginia who could be had quite late. The only thing is, there's been a variety of slow bangers over the years and Belichick has passed so I'm not sure we'll go in this direction although I would like to see it.
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    the 2 down run stuffer was more important back in the beginning of the BB regime given weaknesses along the DL........it is not as important as long as you have guys like warren,wilfork, and seymour up front
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    I think it is an anachronism. TJ was a runstuffer and a pro-bowl player at it. But Bil Belichick was sitting him down and only using him on 3rd and 1 and 4th and one plays by 2003. He preferred to play an all around ILB who could tackle and drop into pass coverage instead on all three downs.


    I think it is now a specialist part timer role and if wanted, be gotten on a second day pick.

    But I think BB prefers to play a 5 man defensive line instead.
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    I unterstood that it is an outmoded role. So you suggest that is better a three down SILB?
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    I am going to say Paul Kruger might be looked at on the inside. Atlhletic and 6'5" 260 LBS but brinks more sack ability.
    Either or work.
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    I agree. A healthy front three is the best remedy for the run. We need players to cover TEs, RBs out of the backfield, and pressure on the QB.....We need speed and athleticism
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    Brinkley is my Binkie (i hear a song coming...)

    Seriously he is perfect for a Bru replacement .. he and Guyton next to Mayo give us some great options. Id love us to grab him at #89
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    I have Josh Mauga in my late round list. He's actually more of a 3 down ILB, but he has the size to stuff the middle and speed in pursuit. Reminds me a lot of Mayo.
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    Where is Jasper Brinkley projected?
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    There are some mid-to-late round guys who seem to be good run stuffers, but I have three who have some potential for the 3-4:

    Tyronne McKenzie is projected to the third round. 359 career tackles, 3 year starter.
    Frantz Joseph is projected to the fifth round. 346 career tackles, 3 year starter.
    Jason Phillips is projected late in the fifth round. 315 career tackles, 4 year starter.

    Of those three Phillips is the only one who I've seen do a decent job taking on OL, the others haven't had to in the defensive schemes they run, but both flash a willingness to try.

    UDFA prospects to consider - both are more athletic than the three above:
    Mike Rivera - 285 career tackles, 3 year starter.
    Robert Francois - 201 career tackles, 14 starts (productive reserve)

    Finally, Jason Williams from Rodney Harrison's alma mater has 289 career tackles, 44.5 for a loss, he also has 14 career forced fumbles. This kid plays downhill well to have so many TFL, he's okay in reverse too with decent PBU numbers his last two years - he played at Safety as a redshirt freshman with two starts. He's a little too much like Mayo, but with double the TFL in his career appears to play downhill better. If he can bulk up a few more pounds and learn to stack & shed OL he's money. A high school RB, he has one year at Safety and three seasons at WLB.
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    Late 4th/early 5th.
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    BOR Have you read high fourth on that by some services?
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    I've seen mocks that have him going all over the place, for consistency I use NFL Draft Scout for projections since they are the primary source for sites like NFL.com, CBS Sports, and USA Today and have been pretty reliable in the time I've been using them.
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    Jason Williams...

    Williams is #1 on my board to pair w/ Mayo. He has far too many qualities the Pats covet to not consider him. The game has changed, and it's necessary to add players who will allow you to adjust to those changes. Head bangers were fine in it's day, and we still need the stack & shedders, but coverage and playing in space is crucial -- especially with the Pats D. IMO, Belichick will be altering the roster by adding such players.

    If we prefer the TJ route, I'd opt for Brinkley.
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    Re: Jason Williams...

    I think that's a great breakdown of the 3rd round ILB options. I hadn't looked much at Williams until BOR pointed him out, but he's very interesting - sort of makes me think a bit of a poor man's Brandon Spikes. Brinkley's more of a banger but more athletic than I anticipated, and seems to be recovering nicely from his leg injury.

    Where do you see them going? Would they be likely to be available in the #89 or 97 territory?
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    Re: Jason Williams...

    Brinkley has the size, and his Combine certainly surprised me because it just never seemed that he played that fast. My trouble ever since I checked him out in 2006 is his "nose for the ball," he just didn't seem to find the ball carrier as well as I'd like to see. For comparison you can look to Brinkley's teammate Eric Norwood who seems to be magnetically aligned with the ball. Brinkley also didn't seem to do as well at stacking & shedding - his brother Casper was the twin who looked more capable from a NE ILB perspective. Brinkley in the 4th would be okay for value, but I'm not sold on him.

    I need to rewatch Jason Williams in the Shrine game - his stats suggest he's a very good downhill player to make 44.5 TFL from WLB.

    Jason Phillips Combine numbers are actually pretty good, and I've seen him stack & shed, add another 10 lbs and he's a great fit. I watched Robert Francois in the Shrine game, as long as he squares up on the blocker, he does a good job of stacking them up, it's when he's trying to get around them and doesn't square up that he gets washed out of the play. Mike Rivera caught my eye early in the season for his pass defense, I'll be very surprised if he doesn't make an NFL roster.
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    I see an arguement of point on the relevance of a thumper in a 3/4. I do not believe the game has changed in a way that eliminates this need. I know that there are more 3/4 wr sets, spread schemes, but Titles are won with defense period. I will gladly take a thumper like Ted Jonson in this system because it is a designated position in this design. A Maualuga is perfect for filling this role. Tackling can be taught-but it is rare to find a natural-play stopping 250lb LB that ends drives because they are the wall you have to deal with. Most playoff games are won with defense making the difference. Especially when the winter conditions force passing schemes to have to run. I want a Maualuga type in this environment. Johnson against Bettis was a perfect example of this element. I want tacklers, because when the oppostion is on the ground, they can't be doing anything good.
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