Welcome to PatsFans.com

The Tom Brady playing now is better than the 07 version.

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by glm, Sep 17, 2011.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. glm

    glm Rookie

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    773
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +5 / 0 / -0

    Here is Tom's statline in 2007 (reg season):

    578-398-4806-50-8
    8.315 YPA
    6.250 TD-Int Ratio
    117.2 PR

    In 2010, after getting rid of Randy Moss, the Patriots offense, and Tom Brady, struggled for a few games, until their game against Pittsburgh.

    Here is his statline from then till now (Including his playoff game):

    324-219-2890-28-2
    8.920 YPA
    14.000-1 TD-Int Ratio
    121.811
  2. dex13

    dex13 Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2010
    Messages:
    312
    Likes Received:
    2
    Ratings:
    +5 / 3 / -1

    2007 was an insane year. Before I go with he's playing better than 2007, I'll have to see a few more games of this season. Last season was last season.
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2011
  3. jcdavey

    jcdavey Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2007
    Messages:
    4,669
    Likes Received:
    2
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0 / -0

    i heard this last year too, and i agreed, then your pats lost in the playoffs

    i think that goes to show just how tough it is to win it all......
  4. lightningbolt

    lightningbolt Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2006
    Messages:
    318
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    What he did last season with barely any talent was very impressive. Brady is clearly the best QB in the league right now. He's at the top of his game. Here's how I rank the top 10 QBs.

    1) Brady
    2) Rivers
    3) Peyton Manning
    4) Aaron Rodgers
    5) Drew Brees
    6) Michael Vick
    7) Ben Roethlisberger (although if he keeps playing badly I'll have to push him further down)
    8) Tony Romo
    9) Eli Manning
    10) Matt Schaub
  5. BionicPatriot

    BionicPatriot Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2004
    Messages:
    2,542
    Likes Received:
    3
    Ratings:
    +3 / 0 / -0

    What people forget is going into that MNF game against the bills in 09 we were all wondering if he would ever be the same.
  6. lightningbolt

    lightningbolt Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2006
    Messages:
    318
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0


    I think he had PTSD from the injury which is why he had a bad season after he came back. So, he wouldn't step into his throws or take the time needed for routes to develop because he was scared of getting hit, and who could blame him.

    No one who has had that kind of injury wants it to happen to them again. But, he got over it eventually and now he's playing better than ever. Last season he played great as well.
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2011
  7. Mark12

    Mark12 Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    Messages:
    614
    Likes Received:
    2
    Ratings:
    +4 / 0 / -0

    I don't think he is on his 2007 level. I don't think anyone in the history has been at that level. I just recently went to NFL.com and watched all the highlights from the 2007 season and my god, the throws he would make and everything. I recommend you guys to go and watch all the Tom Brady highlights.

    It just really got me thinking of what kind of numbers he would have had in 08. He was destined for another mega year. He would probably be in the top 5-10 in almost every passing category.
  8. lightningbolt

    lightningbolt Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2006
    Messages:
    318
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0


    He's more impressive now because he doesn't have Randy Moss anymore and he's still putting up great stats.
  9. Calciumee

    Calciumee PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2008
    Messages:
    4,601
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    #3 Jersey

    [​IMG]
  10. lightningbolt

    lightningbolt Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2006
    Messages:
    318
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0


    LOL! I agree. After Roethlisberger, I just had to fill the list with a few more to make it a nice even 10. LOL! I think those two guys are garbage by the way. Even some of the new QBs already look like they'll be better than them, such as Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, and Cam Newton.
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2011
  11. ewg_gestalt

    ewg_gestalt Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2007
    Messages:
    430
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +5 / 0 / -0

    I'd argue that almost the reverse is true: he's putting up better stats now because he doesn't have Moss.

    In 2009 and early 2010, it seemed that he was forcing a lot of passes Moss's way. After Moss left, Brady had to go looking for all of his options—and that opened up his game even further. Because there was no real go-to guy, everybody became a threat, which gives Brady more possibilities to exploit. Spread your defense thinner, and Brady finds your weak spots more easily. And so on.
  12. lightningbolt

    lightningbolt Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2006
    Messages:
    318
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0


    Yes. Tom Brady seems to perform better without a big name receiver, since he likes to distribute the ball around to all his receivers, rather than to have to keep feeding the ball to a prima donna receiver even if said receiver is not open.

    That's why I don't think this Chad Johnson trade will benefit the Patriots very much. He's the 2nd most annoying receiver in the league after Terrell Owens. Imagine him pestering Tom Brady all season long to pass him the ball and how he'll celebrate whenever he gets a TD. Too much of a distraction for sure.
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2011
  13. PatsBoy12

    PatsBoy12 Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2009
    Messages:
    6,340
    Likes Received:
    17
    Ratings:
    +51 / 0 / -0

    Yeah, but I feel the 2001-04 Brady was better than both the 2007 and today Brady. Sorry, but that Brady was a lot more clutch and won playoff games . . . just saying.
  14. lightningbolt

    lightningbolt Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2006
    Messages:
    318
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0


    Brady won playoff games in 07 too, and his team to the super bowl. Eli Manning and David Tyree had to pull off a miracle play to win that game. If Eli gets sacked on that play or if the pass is dropped, the Pats win and you would be talking about how 07 was Tom Brady's best season.
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2011
  15. PatsBoy12

    PatsBoy12 Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2009
    Messages:
    6,340
    Likes Received:
    17
    Ratings:
    +51 / 0 / -0

    But Eli didn't get sacked and they lost. Like I said, they won playoff games and Championships (which were due to Brady in large part on his last minute drives). Maybe I should have added that little tidbit in my original post. Is Brady statistically better, the obvious answer is yes. However, I'd take the earlier Brady that was clutch over this Brady. Stats don't always tell the whole story. Yeah, he's putting up monster numbers and was the MVP, but Peyton has been doing that for years and the knock was always how he was a great regular season QB, but he could not win the big one. Even now that he has one, people say it's just one.

    I'd take the less flashy (statistically) Brady any day of the week, as opposed to this Brady. Am I saying he's bad or terrible or any of that. NO! I'm just saying that using the term better can be a bit of a misnomer in this instance. He is statistically better, but I don't know if that means he is truly better.
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2011
  16. BradyFTW!

    BradyFTW! PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2007
    Messages:
    16,779
    Likes Received:
    114
    Ratings:
    +347 / 8 / -2

    #12 Jersey

    Coming back from the injury was part of '09, but the Pats also faced a historically difficult slate of pass defenses. In fact, according to Football Outsiders' defense-adjusted rankings, Brady was *still* the best quarterback in the NFL in 2009 (not sure that I agree, but an impressive stat nonetheless). It's one of those things that typically gets overlooked when people are evaluating QBs- I know I'm guilty of it quite often.
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2011
  17. NEPatriot

    NEPatriot Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2004
    Messages:
    7,839
    Likes Received:
    11
    Ratings:
    +11 / 0 / -0

    I don't care about stats or video game like numbers. I'd like to see more playoff wins and a SB win or two. The big games is where it counts and recently Brady hasn't played well. I'm hoping this year will be different.
  18. PatsBoy12

    PatsBoy12 Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2009
    Messages:
    6,340
    Likes Received:
    17
    Ratings:
    +51 / 0 / -0

    That's exactly what I'm talking about in my previous post. Thanks for posting this. People are getting caught up in the numbers that really don't matter. The real numbers are he and the Pats are 0-3 in their last 3 playoff games, two of which were home where the Pats never used to lose in the playoffs. Heck, he is undefeated at home in his last 26 or so regular season games.

    Stats don't necessarily make a player better, in my view. I'd still take the man over any other QB in the NFL, but he's sorta become what Peyton was for years. He's that guy that's great in the regular season, but he doesn't seem to be able to put it together in the playoffs of late. I, like you, hope that changes this season.
  19. MoLewisrocks

    MoLewisrocks PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2005
    Messages:
    19,949
    Likes Received:
    29
    Ratings:
    +29 / 0 / -0

    Sorry.

    1) Brady
    2) Manning (even on IR...)
    Then there is a gap that listing them numerically doesn't reflect

    3) Drew Brees
    4) Aaron Rodgers
    5) Ben Roethlisberger (Ben remains an inconsistent enigma... but 3 SB appearances and 2 rings counts...)
    Then there is another gap...

    6) Philip Rivers (has to win something to crack the current top 5)
    7) Eli Manning (clinging to his spot only by virtue of a ring)
    8) Tony Romo
    9) Matt Schaub
    10) Michael Vick
    Any of the last 3 of whom could be replaced by a Ryan, Bradford, Stafford, Flacco, et al in a heartbeat...but it's too early to tell because even winning aside, you have to produce with some consistency to even crack the list.
  20. lightningbolt

    lightningbolt Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2006
    Messages:
    318
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0


    You must be joking listing Philip Rivers at #6 behind Ben Roethlisberger. His 3 super bowl appearances are solely due to the fact that he's had a great defense to work with his entire career. Last season was a perfect example. He played terrible during the playoffs and yet the Steelers still made the super bowl because their defense got them over the hump.

    If Philip Rivers had the Steelers defense, he would have won at least two rings by now as well. And, Rivers is currently the #2 QB in the league. Check the stats. Last year, he had the second best stats of any QB after Tom Brady and he did it without Vincent Jackson or Antonio Gates. Peyton Manning played much worse.

    In 2009 he was the 2nd best QB as well, and in 2008 he was the #1 QB but he didn't get the MVP because the Chargers record was bad. Also how can you rank Michael Vick behind Tony Romo, Eli Manning, and Matt Schaub? The way he's been playing these past two seasons he deserves to be ranked higher than those losers.
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2011
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

unset ($sidebar_block_show); ?>