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  1. Tunescribe

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    I think the league needs to seriously reevaluate its playoff formula. The imbalance between the conferences is becoming so lopsided that pitting the winners against each other hardly represents "the best vs. the best" at the end of the season.

    A playoff tournament bracketing system needs to be established based on won-loss record at the end of the season. This, of course, would require a radical change in alignment, perhaps doing away altogether with the conference format. But when you really think about it, what distinguishes the conferences anyway? It's not like there's a legitimate "rivalry" between the AFC and NFC echoing the old days of the NFL and AFL.

    It would be a much better league if, at the end of the season, the two best teams had a shot at facing off in the Super Bowl. I wonder if the league brass has put any thought into this.
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    I wholly agree.
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    Cross over the wildcard teams...
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    In the same way they seed teams now for each conference, they should just apply that to all teams who get in the playoffs instead of separating the two conferences.

    I would keep the same format however where the same number of teams from each conference get into the playoffs.
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    UGH, please...just no. the NFL is two conferences. Just because one of them sucks right now is no reason to go mucking with the most popular game in the country.

    Someday the AFC will suck, and the NFC will win a few. That was the case, not too long ago.
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    Interesting proposal, and I assume it's in part a reaction to the lopsided victory by the Colts last night. A lot can happen in a season, however, and it just may be that the Saints are currently a poor representative for the NFC. Another team or teams could certainly emerge over the current popular choices of Chicago or Seattle that does make progress this season and is a worthy opponent in the Super Bowl. I believe this thing is cyclical, and it will change over time. For now and in the first week of this season, the AFC is still dominant. I like simplicity, and I'd hate to get into a weighted playoff bracket type of system that could eventually drive everyone crazy.
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    Hilarious, they were saying that the AFC couldn't compete in the 80's.
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    Yeah, but the conferences don't mean anything anyway -- why even have them? They're not even separated from each other geographically. There's no longer any legitimate tradition to preserve between the two, it's been nearly 40 years since the AFL and NFL merged. How is it "mucking" with the most popular game in the country to ensure that the two best teams have a chance at meeting for the league championship?
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    The NFC won 15 straight Super Bowls at one point, so the AFC dominance is in its infancy compared to that stretch...It's completely cyclical...The AFC teams do not have a competitive advantage over the NFC ones, it's not like the high payroll teams are in one conference and the low ones in others...It's all the same.
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    Exactly.

    Besides, the point differential in Super Bowls in the 2000s is probably the lowest it's ever been, what with the three close Patriot SB wins.
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    This only emphasizes my point of the faulty conference format. The conferences were aligned, originally, via NFL/AFL demarcation. It's now 40 years later and the league has become more or less homogenized, especially with interconference regular-season play. I say either realign the conferences geographically or do away with them altogether.
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    How'd this work out for the NBA this past season?
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    Orrrrr leave it exactly the way it is and lets keep the best sports league in the world going.
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    In a way I prefer the championship being decided the week or two before the Superbowl. My favorite little watering hole has about 8-10 regs who watch every game starting this Sunday but over 50 for the Super Bowl and over 100 if the Pats are there. Those extra people are annoying. 3rd and 3 with everyone lined up and the TE in motion is NO time to go to the bathroom, or announce the winner of the stupid door prize, or start up a meaningless conversation. I've come close to reaching over the bar and grabbing the soda gun:mad: Its really not that bad that often the over-hyped media event that seems to feature everything but the action on the field isn't the most important game of the season.
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    Really? here are the results since 2001:

    2001 - AFC wins by 3 over a heavily favored NFC team
    2002 - NFC destroys AFC by 20+
    2003 - AFC wins by 3 in an extremely competitive game
    2004 - AFC wins by 3 in an extremely competitive game
    2005 - AFC wins by 11 in an extremely competive game that could've gone the other way but for some terrible officiating.
    2006 - AFC by 12 in a game that definitely did not feature the two best teams in the NFL.

    So, only last year was there a good argument that the two best teams didn't face off in the SB. In 5 of the last 6 years, either the NFC has won, or the game has been exceedingly competitive right to the end.

    Your argument that the competitive imbalance has become so great so as to warrant scrapping the playoff system of the greatest sports league of all time is misplaced to say the least.
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    Yes...and please do not add any more wild card teams.
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    I fixed your post for you. :)

    Seriously, though, XLI was so bad that I refuse to say the Steelers "won" that game, though I will certainly admit they had scored more points when time expired.
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    I'm all for seeding all 12 teams together. Back in 90's that would have produced many great Dallas vs SF superbowls in place of Buffalo and imagine NE vs Indy last year or this coming year.
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    Honestly, if the Pats aren't involved, they can have the AFC champ go against the CFL champ for all I care.
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    I think a lot of you are missing the point. It's not about whether one conference is more dominant than the other, it's about trying to get the seedings right during the playoffs so that the best two teams have a chance of playing each other in the superbowl. Whether that means its two afc teams, two nfc teams or one from each conference, it doesn't matter. What does is, now the two "best" teams will have a chance to play each other in the superbowl.

    With that said however, I will say that saying the Superbowl is now meaningless is overboard. It's still the ultimate goal and whether the system stays as it is or is changed in the future, it'll never mean in my mind that it could become meaningless.
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    I couldn't agree more. What would be better than a Patriots/Chargers superbowl? Or even better a Pats/Colts superbowl. You're right. Its not like it would ruin any type of rivalry that has been in the leauge. Either way to me the Superbowl already is meaningless, unless the Pats are in it. Waiting 2 weeks before the game, dragged out pre game, dragged out 1/2 time show, and washed up musicians, already make it hard for me to watch.
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    Thank you for clarifying my point. I'm not really suggesting that the Super Bowl is now meaningless, just that its status as THE game for deciding the league's best team veered off the mark some time ago. As it stands the game is a vestige of the old AFL vs. NFL, a one-time rivalry that fans no longer care about. Having it devolve into an anti-climax following the conference championship game is what I'd like to see the league avoid.
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    That would force both New York teams into the same conference, which I'm sure the league is very hesitant to allow. It would also create one conference without a New York team and considering that it is the biggest market, it won't happen.
    IIRC when the merger happened, the Colts, Browns and Steelers were enticed to go to the AFC with the lure that they could succeed in what was perceived as a weaker conference.
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    I agree with your point of view. The NFL is by far the most popular sport in America and there's no need to jeopardize part of what makes it extremely successful. However I would like to expand on SB results over the last 10 years...

    1997 - AFC wins by 7 over heavily favored NFC team
    1998 - AFC, who were heavily favored, wins by 15
    1999 - NFC wins by 7 in extremely competitive game
    2000 - AFC, who were heavily favored, destroys NFC by 20+
    2001 - AFC wins by 3 over a heavily favored NFC team
    2002 - NFC destroys AFC by 20+
    2003 - AFC wins by 3 in an extremely competitive game
    2004 - AFC wins by 3 in an extremely competitive game
    2005 - AFC wins by 11 in an extremely competive game that could've gone the other way but for some terrible officiating.
    2006 - AFC by 12 in a game that definitely did not feature the two best teams in the NFL.

    That's pretty impressive, IMO.
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    Actually, I'd like to seem them eliminate the crappy little 4-team divisions. Winning a division has lost it's meaning since you ought to be able to do it every 4th year based on average alone.

    Going with the idea of "eliminating" conferences, I suggest four 8-team divisions. You would play each division opponent on a home or away basis (home one year, away the next, like college and high school). Then there would be a 3-year rotation of round-robin play with another division to get the game count up to 15. For the 16th game, you play another team in the same position (1st vs 1st, 2nd vs 2nd, etc) from one of the other two remaining divisions, also on rotation.

    Just one possible alignment ... these are more or less geographical (North, South, East, West), but I figured the NFL would try to keep the NY teams apart, so among other things, I moved the Giants to the north where they might renew some historic rivalries such as vs Cleveland...

    NFL East - New England, Buffalo, Miami, NY Jets, Baltimore, Washington, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh
    NFL North - NY Giants, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Detroit, Chicago, Green Bay, Indianapolis
    NFL South - Atlanta, Carolina, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Houston, St Louis
    NFL West - Arizona, Dallas, Denver, Kansas City, Oakland, Seattle, San Francisco, San Diego

    Or you can throw some geography out the window and combine the NFC East and North, the AFC East and North, AFC and NFC South, AFC and NFC South... consider that nrotheast teams would still travel less than south or west teams...

    NFL East - Buffalo, Miami, New England, NY Jets, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Baltimore, Pittsburgh
    NFL North - Dallas, NY Giants, Philadelphia, Washington, Chicago, Detroit, Green Bay, Minnesota
    NFL South - Atlanta, Carolina, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Indianapolis, Houston, Tennessee
    NFL West - Denver, Kansas City, Oakland, San Diego, Arizona, St. Louis, San Francisco, Seattle

    But now this really begs to get Dallas relocated... perhaps swap Dallas and Indy...
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    And how is that so much better than having those teams meet in the conference championship, like they did?

    For me, the improvement isn't even close to worth the diminishment of rivalries and in-season rooting interest that eliminating the present format would cause. You are improving (arguably) the Super Bowl but making the rest of the season much less interesting.
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    No, I believe the Colts, Browns and Steelers went to the AFC to balance the number of teams in the two conferences. Just thinking theoretically here: From a network television standpoint I understand what you're saying. But competitively speaking, what real difference would it make if both New York teams were in the same conference? It would only heighten the rivalry.

    Consider two, 16-team conferences, East and West, where each team plays every other team in its conference once each season (15 games) plus one opponent from the other conference. The top six teams in each conference then are seeded into conference playoff tournaments at the end of the season, with conference winners facing off in the Super Bowl. Advantages: development of additional regional rivalries, facing more teams during a season (removing home/away divisional play), less cross-country travel. Disadvantages: Playing teams from the other conference only once every 16 years (except of course in the Super Bowl), New York teams not traveling for one "road" game each season.

    To increase inter-conference exposure, all preseason games would be scheduled against teams in the other conference.

    EAST

    New England
    Buffalo
    Philadelphia
    Pittsburgh
    Washington
    New York Jets
    New York Giants
    Miami
    Tampa Bay
    Atlanta
    Carolina
    Cleveland
    Pittsburgh
    Cincinnati
    Jacksonville
    Baltimore

    WEST

    Seattle
    Oakland
    Denver
    Houston
    Dallas
    Kansas City
    Arizona
    San Diego
    San Francisco
    Detroit
    Chicago
    Green Bay
    Minnesota
    New Orleans
    Indianapolis
    St. Louis
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    exactly the point of the poster. The two top teams in the NFL...the NFL should be there not the two top teams from each conference....the two top teams in the NFL

    ...in the NFL

    I think it sucks personally.

    Think of a New Endland - Denver, New England - San Diego, New England - Colts, New England - Baltimore, New England - Cincinnati

    That would be a real Superbowl.
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    Actually, you're both right.
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